Voter anger over Trump's election goes deeper than Clinton's loss

[kentuck]

An email that someone sent to their friends:
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/letters/fl-letter-donald-trump-supporter-anger-20161130-story.html

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"Please understand that I am not mad at you because Clinton lost. I am totally unconcerned that you and I have different 'politics.' And I don't think less of you because you voted one way and I another.

"No, I think less of you because you watched an adult mock a disabled person while addressing a crowd and still supported him. I think less of you because you saw a candidate spout clear racism day after day and still backed him. I think less of you because you heard him advocate for war crimes and still thought he should be given the reins of government. I think less of you because you watched him equate a woman's worth to where she landed on a scale of 1 to 10 and still got on board. I think less of you because you stood by silently while he labeled Mexicans as criminals and Muslims as terrorists.

"It wasn't your politics I found repulsive. No, it was your willingness to support someone who spouts racism, sexism, and cruelty almost every time he opens his mouth. You sided with a bully when it should have mattered most, and that is something I will never be able to forget.

"So in response to your post-election expression of hope, no, you and I won't be 'coming together to move forward.' Obviously, the president-elect disgusts me; but it is the fact that he doesn't disgust you that will stick with me long after the election."

more at link...

[ogradda]

1. I don't know what to say.

That pretty much says it doesn't it? That and the fact he's gonna get us blown sky high.

[kentuck]

2. Quite concise.

I would agree. The bonds of trust have been broken.

[niyad]

3. Phil, you forgot to add that the orange one is a self-admitted sexual predator, who would like

to "date" (and we know that isn't the 4-letter word he meant) his daughter, and who not only thinks of her as "a piece of ***", but thinks it perfectly okay for other men to say that about her as well.

so, for ALL those reasons, you who support and voted for this disgusting piece of filth have nothing positive to contribute to my world.

may you receive everything you deserve.

[JI7]

8. and looking at 10 year old as someone to date

Walking in on teen pageant contestants changing their clothes.

And ALL ADMITTED BY HIM .

[calimary]

19. Welcome to DU, Table!

I agree. He is evil. What he secretly wants to push on America is evil. What he brings out in his followers - the anger, viciousness, and even physical violence - is nothing but evil!

The letter writer in this OP sure speaks for me. It's made me think differently of more than a few people. Those who can go for this, vote for this, and find this completely or at least partially okay; who can overlook, excuse, and rationalize this behavior on his part and what he's brought out in his loudest and most loutish thug-fans - the kind of behavior they surely wouldn't want their kids to adopt (well, uh, I'm not sure about that one anymore...) - I have come to view them differently.

It hurts me deeply to think back to all the speeches President Obama's made, calling us to our better angels and loftier moral purpose when we need to go high rather than low, underscoring with "that's not who we are". Well, I'm starting to think he's wrong about that. That awful, anti-social, violent, intolerant, mean-spirited behavior that we've seen since trump IS EXACTLY who we are.

[kentuck]

20. This is not the country I know.

We are not like that, are we??

[raging moderate]

23. Yeah, we are. Faux news has brainwashed a lot of people.

And Breitbart and other even filthier places. I walked door to door in Northern Illinois towns in 2012. I was shocked. And even here in Maryland many people believe there is a war on Christmas and New York is full of godless liberals, and liberals are all atheists who hate Christians and want to have sex with everybody and have abortions all the time and make gays turn everybody gay. And give all our tax money to lazy Black people, who want to just fight and fuck and have babies and do drugs. And Hillary Clinton had people killed who crossed her. Especially at Bengazi. And she gave away state secrets for money to her foundation, which is a sham charity that funnels money into her bank account.

This is serious. We are in such deep trouble. We are in such deep danger.

[kentuck]

25. Do you think we are in a crisis at this moment?

What should we do?

[lambchopp59]

38. Ding ding ding ding ding!!!

Faux noise has led the charge over the freeking cliff with other RW radio media as cheerleaders. I've witnessed ex-friends turn into unrecognizable buffoons from this. It truly begins to make me suspect there may be something subliminal going on: these were once people capable of moderate critical thinking. Now they are RW zombies.
BTW, I'm not new here, had to change my sign-in from nightscanner, so this is not actually my first post by a long shot.

[herding cats]

44. Welcome back!

Was this your old account? http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=261704

You can add it in your profile if you don't want to lose who you were before the hack. A lot of people are in the same boat as you right now, and I just thought I'd add an easy way to retain your old DU persona if you'd like.

[lambchopp59]

50. Say thanx for that link!

I have decided not to renew my old sign in, as it was associated with an email that had me "typecast" into night shifts. Oh, no. I also don't have access to that email account anyway. But I'm using the link you gave me here to copy/paste and print off some of my old info. Thanx again!

[cstanleytech]

28. To be fair didnt he only say he might consider it when they were older?

As for the majority of the rest, I agree and the people who supported him after everything he said and did should feel shame just like the ones that supported Hitler in his rise to power should feel shame to the day they die.

[Are_grits_groceries]

4. Exactly how I feel.

I don't want anything to do with Trump voters. That especially includes and family.
It will take a long time to get over if ever.
I have never felt like this after an election and I have voted in a lot of them.

[DesertFlower]

5. i agree. nt

[JI7]

6. this is why it's different than Romney mccain or even bush

[Beartracks]

7. Impossible to "come together & move forward" when...

... one side isn't going in that direction.

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[raging moderate]

9. Plus, Trump destroyed evidence that had been demanded by a court of law. Including emails.

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Plus, Trump violated contracts with small companies he had engaged to do work. After bragging about the fine work they had done, when he was challenged about this little habit of his, he claimed he had been dissatisfied with their work.

Plus, Trump used US bankruptcy laws to get out of tight situations caused by his overspending.

etc. etc. etc.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

10. I had to make peace with my Republican mother after Thanksgiving.

She feigned not understanding why I hated Trump. I expressed it in emails item by item. But she wouldn't recognize this as anything but my dislike of her and unwarranted anger.

I had to feign my own regret about my anger towards her and other family members who will not even admit to voting for him, yet are furious with me for expressing a lack of respect for those who did vote for him.

This is madness.

[dembychoice]

11. Word for word!

This is exactly the way I feel! Not only does he not disgust them, they praise him like he is their saving grace.....and this will stick with me forever! How can anyone be so blind!

[calimary]

22. Welcome DU, dembychoice!

It will stick with me for a long time, too. Indeed, maybe forever. I keep trying to get over it, move beyond it, forgive, understand, all those considerations and allowances that we all know they'd NEVER give us if things went the other way. And I am simply not there. I can't find my way there. At least not yet. Certainly not right now.

What really bothers me, at its most basic and fundamental (for me), is that I go straight to the mother thing. That's the lens through which I've come to process everything. That's the one way that enables me to get in touch with the pain behind Black Lives Matter. Because of those mothers. I'M a mother. That's how I can relate. And connect. And in a distant sense, try to walk in their shoes.

I default straight to the mother thing with trump as well. Look at the behavior displays throughout the campaign. We never saw this at Marco Rubio events or rallies for jeb! or Ted Cruz public events, or any of 'em. The only time we saw it among Bernie followers was fairly early in the campaign, in Chicago, I believe, when they were peacefully protesting at a trump rally - and it was the trump people who attacked them and picked the fight with them. The Bernie people didn't start it. The absolutely reprehensible, anti-social, disgraceful, bullying, menacing, and in many cases actually violent behavior that was ever on display happened exclusively at trump events, involving hot-headed trump people, acting out and throwing tantrums like a crowd of spoiled-brat five-year-olds who weren't getting their way!

So it has to be asked - WHAT HAS THIS TAUGHT US? That the bad guys win - and that it's perfectly okay?
That we SHOULDN'T have class and act like adults and not be vicious and spiteful and aggressive and hateful with people - to a physical extent?
That it's okay to be a racist?
It's okay to be a bigot?
It's okay to be a misogynist?
It's okay to mock the disabled?
It's okay to take pride in one's celebrity because it lets you grab women by the crotch and in other ways invade their personal space without their permission?
It's okay??? That shit is OKAY??
Is this something you'd want your kid to do?
Or worse - is this something you teach your kid to do?

I swear, I wind up thinking "who the hell brought YOU up?" so frequently anymore. Whether I see trump or somebody acting out on TV, when I hear shitty comments from people who should be respectable; when I see somebody cutting another motorist off on the freeway at high speeds; when I see people acting mean or thoughtless or inconsiderate toward others, when I see rudeness or selfishness or total shameless self-absorption, I go straight there. "Who the hell brought you up???"

When I was growing up, that kind of behavior was discouraged! You didn't win anything by doing that except detention or a note home to your parents or an order to report immediately to the principal's office. Nobody wanted to be that! NOW, shit, you can win elections that way! Now you're praised and panted over and your every misdeed is excused, rationalized away, lied about, soft-pedaled, or ignored entirely. Now, that shameful behavior is rewarded and reinforced! As an example, there are now reports citing an increase in bullying at our schools. Because of trump - and what we're subconsciously learning from his success. The real message of his success is that shit behavior like his has been - and is being - reinforced, and rewarded.

I keep asking - "would you raise your kid that way?" At the moment, the answer across America seems to be "yes." Probably more accurately, an answer that's far more rude and nasty and in-yer-face. Not just a "yes," but a "yer goddamm right I am! Fuck you!"

[dembychoice]

49. Thank you calimary....love DU!

And thanks for your comment....couldn't have said it better myself! The choice for President and Vice President is definitely not my choice for many, many reasons....and you stated them nicely!

[sagetea]

12. Truth to power!

My feelings exactly!

sage

[mnhtnbb]

13. That says it, doesn't it?

We still send holiday cards and a letter. There are a number of Trump supporters--mostly family--on our list and
I haven't been able to bring myself to write the letter (that we've been doing for 25 years) because I usually try to
inject some humor in it rather than making it a 'brag' list. I finally put something together this morning and the best I could
do was to say it was tough for us to get in the spirit of the season this year. Bah, humbug, indeed.

I can't find the humor--unless it's to insult Cheeto Fucktrumpet--and I can't write that in the letter. I can't say
what I want--which is that if you voted for Trump, then FU*K you this year because you don't deserve love,
laughter and good health!

Oy.

[hay rick]

14. It isn't just that I disagree with their political choice...I disrespect it. nt

[stopwastingmymoney]

29. This. Exactly. Simple and to the point, nt

[mountain grammy]

15. I will no longer visit my husband's brother and family

I heard for 8 years how Obama's not a Christian, we need to pray for America, blah, blah, blah. Well, they can pray to their new leader, but they won't do it with me around.

[Ilsa]

16. This is what hurts me personally, like no other election before.

I would always speculate about other candidates' personal views on equality, but I never saw them openly disparaging someone over gender, race, religion, or disability.

Now that I realize that I know people, have even called them friends, that could support such a bigotted ignoramus, I am appalled. Those people make me sick because they've abandoned basic principles of humanity. I hate that I know who they are, because I don't want to have anything to do with them.

[bdamomma]

18. we do our have our principles

and morals.

this is not our america.

[Docreed2003]

27. Excellent points...

I can't wrap my head around how some people could support this overt bullying/bigotry/racism and in every case either make apologies for it like "Oh he's a changed man now" or "The media is taking his words out of context, he's not really a racist/bigot/etc". It's frankly depressing in many ways that his behavior has been rewarded and anyone who thinks that his behavior will change after the inauguration is fooling themselves. Our country is in for dark days. I just hope that there's not such irreparable harm that it can't be fixed.

[Hamlette]

21. I love this, intend to memorize it for my nieces and nephews. n/t

[colsohlibgal]

24. It Does For Me

He is totally unqualified and unfit for the job. This is a man who has bragged about walking into a girls dressing room, fat shamed a beauty contestant, bragged about grabbing, uninvited, women's you know what, and publicly mocked a handicapped reporter. He has the emotional maturity of a 7th grader.

The racists and Nazis etc will be happy as clams, but the otherwise sane people who voted for him will rue the day they did.

I was a Bernie gal, I had some issues with Hillary but she looked like gold compared to the alternative...a loose immature cannon in charge. I am agnostic but if there is a Heaven help us.

[duffyduff]

30. This jackass could get us into World War III.

And I am supposed to cry tears over these idiots who voted for this dipshit, "respect" their votes, and push to make the Democratic Party cater to these MORONS who have given this lunatic the keys to destroy this country?

[lunamagica]

26. K&R

[Third Doctor]

31. What pisses me off is when they say get over it.

They act as if this was a normal campaign and Trump was a normal candidate. They will not get that they screwed themselves until they personally lose healthcare or suffer from these goon's policies. Damned, selfish bigots.

[AgadorSparticus]

32. Wow...mic drop

[HAB911]

33. Notice how most of the comments

were true to his sycophants on tv, ignore the points being made and name call. Ignorant bigots.

[Vinca]

34. I'm completely pissed at the Republican Party. They enabled this by putting party over country.

If a "normal" Republican had won it would have been disappointing to Democrats, but it would have been nothing like having an orange idiot tweet us into a nuclear war.

[GetRidOfThem]

35. Ethics...

This is what I have been wrestling with since the election: The ethical implications. It all breaks down when you look at it from this point of view. Where did this country's ethics end up? Are there still any left, collectively?

[Rorey]

36. "coming together to move forward" - Not Happening

In the words of the Dixie Chicks, "I'm not ready to make nice". And I won't ever be ready to make nice. I'm not even going to try to "make nice" or "get over it" because that would make me one of them. "Coming together" will NOT move us forward. It would just make us as bad as them.

[smirkymonkey]

37. This is perfect.

Thank you!

[NRQ891]

39. 'Thou shalt not put thy voter to the test'

I did not vote for Trump, because I found him unfit

But wasn't this party 'playing chicken' with the voters to have an undertone in the message 'so what if you said you'd never vote for another Bush or Clinton. Well, she's the nominee, and she's running against a racist. So, if you don't vote for her, you are too - Deal with it!'



I think a lot of people felt taunted by the smarmy ultimatum

[heaven05]

41. well, they are TOO!!!!!

they don't have to feel the hate. So what if the truth didn't set them free from their smarmy racist muddled BS filled minds.

[heaven05]

40. I told my ex-friend

basically the same thing....I will NEVER forgive.

[Auntie Bush]

42. Simple...It was because you are a Deplorable!

[alarimer]

43. I feel the same

It astonished me that our standards have fallen so low that anyone can support this guy.

I'm astonished that nothing he said or did could turn people off in large enough numbers to stop them voting for him. They are deplorable. HE is deplorable.

Remember when Howard Dean was drummed out of the primary for merely yelling? It seems so quaint now (it was ridiculous then, but then...Democrats )

Ultimately though, this was a big "fuck you" to us. There is a wide swath of people out there who are, simply put, assholes. They think we look down on them (maybe some do, but not all by any means) and this is just a giant middle finger to the rules.

So maybe Democrats can learn from this. What they should do is make Trump and Co, OWN it. Own their failures and the pain they will cause. Every single speech should include putting blame right where it belongs. Let him have all of his appointments, vote against every single one (not courtesy yes votes for anyone). Make them own the disaster that's coming. When he starts a war, vote against and tell the people that Trump is why your kids died. They didn't do this with Bush and they should have.

[Martin Eden]

45. I'm afraid of what I might say at our family Christmas party

If I speak my mind, some relationships which have been very good over the years could come to an end.

[LiberalLovinLug]

46. I wish I could comment back at some of those commenters but you need a paid sub

I don't know if this paper has a dominant Republican audience or if the FB batlight went out to all the deplorables to ransack the comment section. Almost every single one of them is deplorable. The first is:

"Attacking the character of millions of Americans who voted for Trump may help you deal with your loss; however, it also shows an extremely shallow and narrow-minded grasp of the situation. I don’t know anyone who voted for Trump that agrees with any of the things you mention, which nullifies your thesis. We voted for Trump because we care strongly about the future of this country—and we are tired of the talk, while our education system is in shambles; our streets aren’t safe; our infrastructure resembles that of a third-world country; young people are dying from overdoses in every community; college graduates are earning $12/hour while saddled with enormous college debt, while millions of adults have simply quit looking for work in favor of government hand-outs, and those who want to work cannot find meaningful full-time employment; our public safety and law enforcement community is demoralized; and our military is ill-prepared for the potential global threats we face. Sorry, but after eight years, can’t blame all these things on Bush anymore. Ironically, as the party of the self-proclaimed “tolerant,” your so-called intolerant and deplorable fellow Americans who voted for Trump aren’t disparaging those who voted for Hillary Clinton, even though we all know she is a liar and a criminal. However, we do thank God that America elected the better candidate for reasons much larger—for the good of the future of our nation. So, in case you haven’t noticed, real change is in the air, and we are so fired up! Perhaps it’s time for Obama-Clinton supporters to stop fueling the divisiveness that has plagued our nation for the past eight years and instead consider putting your good talents to work for a greater good. After all, what the hell do you have to lose?"

If anyone has an account there...If I could I would reply:

Not only is this crowd deplorable for supporting the Asshat in Chief, but they are delusional as well.

WHY would you vote for someone that you do not agree with "any of the things" he said? ... the racism and bigotry he spouts?

WHY would you think Trump and the GOP would help spending on infrastructure when they blocked all President Obama's initiatives?

IF minimum wage for college grads was so important WHY would you vote for the candidate that will do nothing about that instead of the candidate that wants to raise min wage? WHY, if you are concerned about college debt would you not vote for the party working towards free tuition?

WHY do you surmise that "our military is ill-prepared for the potential global threats we face", when Obama has been increasing military budgets and has killed ISIS leaders and of course OBL. and when you spend nearly half you taxes on the military. Do you want to spend more?

NO we don't all know she (Hillary) is a criminal. (I'm surprised you left off murderer) Usually a court of law determines this not Sean Hannity and a FB page.

NO it has not been Obama-Clinton supporters "fueling the divisiveness that has plagued our nation for the past eight years", it is Right wing hate radio and Fox News and the GOP. It is your reactions to social progress like gay marriage rights, and pot legalization, and women's right to choose for themselves, etc..that fuel divisiveness. We have been winning these battles, why would we want 'divisiveness'? Think about it.


One thing I would agree with this person on, I will be, and I'm sure a lot of us will be...
"putting your good talents to work for a greater good. After all, what the hell do you have to lose?"
because we have a LOT to lose from Trump and his bigoted racist supporters ALL.

[TeamPooka]

47. I caused a stink with a Republican guy I know. He had his teenage son at his business and the guy

voted and backed Trump all the way.
Chatting with them for a few minutes and guy mentions election.
So I started telling the son, who I have known for a few years and there's hope for, that Trump is a role model for him now.
Told him he should not fulfill contracts with people on business deals, grab women by the pussy, make fun of disabled people, etc.
The guy was like hey don't tell him that.
I said "He's going to be the President of the USA. You voted for him. Shouldn't the President's words and actions be a role model for your children?
He burned and behind him his kid was cracking up.
It felt so good as I left.

[kentuck]

48. He cracks the whip and the audience gathers...

A regular old PT Barnum...

Do you like to gamble!

He yells, "Step right this way!"

Can you guess which shell the bean is under?

Slight of hand and loud exaggerations.

Put up the Carnival tent. The Greatest Show On Earth Has Arrived!

And the carnival barker is one and the same.