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babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:32 PM Dec 2016

Garrison Keillor: And now we sit and watch in disbelief

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/4679952-155/garrison-keillor-and-now-we-sit

Garrison Keillor: And now we sit and watch in disbelief
By Garrison Keillor Special to The Washington Post
First Published Dec 06 2016 01:42PM • Updated 1 hour ago


It's a wonderful satire right out of Twain or Thurber, a minority of the electorate goes for the loosest and least knowledgeable candidate, certain that he will lose and their votes will only be harmless protest, a middle finger to Washington, and then — Whoa. The joke comes true. You put a whoopee cushion on your father's chair and he sits down and it barks and he has a massive coronary. You wanted to get a rise out of him and instead he falls down dead. Very funny.

Thank you, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania for this wonderful joke. Voters in high dudgeon against Wall Street manipulators and the Washington aristocracy vote for the billionaire populist who puts tycoons in power and the Republican hierarchy who owned the logjam that the voters voted against. If Billy the Kid had been smart, he'd've run for sheriff.

And now we sit and watch in disbelief as the victor drops one piece of china after another, spits in the soup, sticks his fist through a painting, and gobbles up the chocolates. Not satisfied with the usual election-night victory speech, he stages a post-election victory tour and gloatfest, a series of rallies in arenas where he can waggle his thumbs and smirk and holler and point out the journalists in their pen for the mob to boo and shake their fists at. He puts the Secret Service through their paces, highways are closed, planes diverted, cities disrupted, just so the man can say how much fun it was to defeat Hillary Clinton and confound the experts.

I stood in an airport last Thursday and watched live cable news coverage of his first stop in Indiana where he toured a factory whose owner had been promised a $7 million tax break in return for not laying off 800 workers. In November, 178,000 new jobs were created and unemployment fell, and here was a platoon of journalists in Indiana trailing a big galoot with a red tie who offered a corporation $7 million not to lose 800 workers. No gain, simply a non-loss. It was a classic TV moment, extensive live coverage of essentially nothing whatsoever and we all stood in a stupor and watched, like people mesmerized by drops of rain sliding down a windowpane.

Eighty-thousand Trump voters in three states gave us this man, which goes to show you how much damage a few people can do. It takes 12 million to provide health care, 3 million to run the public schools, but 19 men with box cutters can turn the country upside down and empower the paranoid right and create the pretense for wars that will cost billions and kill a million people and give us a permanent army of blue uniforms yelling at us to take off our shoes and put our laptops into plastic trays.

He is a showman and oddity has paid off for him, as it did for Lady Gaga and Gorgeous George and Liberace. But the public demands new tricks. Today, railing at the journalists who slavishly cover him is, like bear baiting or lion taming, entertainment enough, but by next fall he will need to pull canaries out of his ears, and by 2018 he'll be diving on horseback from a high tower into a pool of water while playing "Malaguena" on a trumpet.

Meanwhile, the Democrats wander in the woods, walking into trees. A wealthy San Francisco liberal is re-elected as minority leader in the House, having flung millions into the wind and gotten skunked in 2014 and drubbed this fall, and a lackluster black Muslim congressman from Minneapolis is a leading candidate for chair of the Democratic National Committee, the person who will need to connect with disaffected workers in Youngstown and Pittsburgh. Why not a ballet dancer or a Buddhist monk?

Meanwhile, the emperor-elect parades in the nude while his congressional courtiers admire him and the nation drifts toward the rapids. The one bright spot is the old draft-dodger's new-found fondness for generals, including the one who talked him out of the idea of torturing prisoners of war. Military experience does encourage a certain respect for reality. There is hope that if the showman should decide late one night to incinerate Iran or North Korea and get it over with, someone might say, "Hold on. Let's think this through."
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Garrison Keillor: And now we sit and watch in disbelief (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 2016 OP
Excellently written as usual. underpants Dec 2016 #1
Garrison Keillor is Spot On. Period. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2016 #2
I beg your pardon, peggy, but he has me by the b***s. pangaia Dec 2016 #8
Oh, OK. Sorry! lol CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2016 #18
tRump has me by my GWC58 Dec 2016 #36
K & R... dhill926 Dec 2016 #3
Good read from 1999 FarCenter Dec 2016 #4
Trump ran in 2000. By the time of this article, it was pretty obvious he was going to run. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #11
TL;DR: "Who would have ever thought, after all the tut-tutting I did in my writings about him?" RedWedge Dec 2016 #5
I mean, what use is smug despair? Where does one go after reading this? RedWedge Dec 2016 #10
Not everything has to be a manifesto SticksnStones Dec 2016 #19
Too bad you don't get what good writing this is. lunatica Dec 2016 #23
Interesting; I got no joy reading it. I found it smug and it ended with a "let's hope" shrug. RedWedge Dec 2016 #25
Your sig line begs the question: Which returnee are you? Hekate Dec 2016 #30
Keillor lives in Minnesota TwilightZone Dec 2016 #15
As do I. I've met Keith Ellison. RedWedge Dec 2016 #17
Do you know who Garrison Keillor is? TwilightZone Dec 2016 #20
I do, and I didn't take it sarcastically. RedWedge Dec 2016 #24
So, you feign ignorance, then go on a rant about how Keillor is a bigot and an asshole? TwilightZone Dec 2016 #26
I'm not clear on where you think I was "feigning ignorance." RedWedge Dec 2016 #27
Keillor lives in a mansion in St. Paul. Scruffy1 Dec 2016 #63
"my great aunt in Denver was shocked when I told her he was a Republican" TwilightZone Dec 2016 #64
Wow. I wouldn't change a word. Justice Dec 2016 #6
Trouble is madokie Dec 2016 #7
That's why he wants "buddy" Generals... kentuck Dec 2016 #12
I so agree with you madokie Dec 2016 #13
Correction, then Reagan came along mdbl Dec 2016 #59
I have to agree with that too madokie Dec 2016 #60
That's about the time the democratic party turned chicken shit. CrispyQ Dec 2016 #66
I concur! immoderate Dec 2016 #69
You haven't been around many Generals I take it. Particularly 3 or 4 star generals stevenleser Dec 2016 #38
I think Lt General Flynn would do whatever the Donald asked? kentuck Dec 2016 #40
Nope, that's not his reputation at all. From the wiki entry on his retirement... stevenleser Dec 2016 #45
Yup, that's it right there. 2naSalit Dec 2016 #62
That first paragraph is pure genius. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #9
K & R SunSeeker Dec 2016 #14
A Trump presidency??? GliderGuider Dec 2016 #16
That's writing! lunatica Dec 2016 #21
Yup It's writing all right. Flatpicker Dec 2016 #52
I deeply disagree. We need them ALL. Raine1967 Dec 2016 #54
I used to agree Flatpicker Dec 2016 #55
You're obligation is to follow your own activist demands lunatica Dec 2016 #65
spot on, as usual. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2016 #22
We're living a tragedy BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #28
:thumbsup: elleng Dec 2016 #29
And then there is Michael T. Flynn. Do LT GENs count? babylonsister Dec 2016 #31
Not if 'mad dogs' challenge them? elleng Dec 2016 #32
I don't know either. I guess we'll see. nt babylonsister Dec 2016 #34
Keillor is a genius at observation of humanity, like Twain. And like Twain, often not funny/ha-ha. Hekate Dec 2016 #33
At some point we must ask, "Can the world ever return to normal?" Coyotl Dec 2016 #35
Excellent .. but that last paragraph about the generals misses the big danger for Trump. DemoTex Dec 2016 #37
Seven Days in May. roamer65 Dec 2016 #41
Keillor's Disbelief Jacob Boehme Dec 2016 #39
Not getting us all killed is a C-minus. I'd settle for the gentleman's C. n/t MrModerate Dec 2016 #44
K & R Scurrilous Dec 2016 #42
Keillor is too optimistic. n/t MrModerate Dec 2016 #43
He brought the U.S. presidency down to his level:sideshow of a carnival. lindysalsagal Dec 2016 #46
I find that insulting Flatpicker Dec 2016 #50
point taken. lindysalsagal Dec 2016 #58
Kick for Keillor! Cha Dec 2016 #47
We Are Being Had colsohlibgal Dec 2016 #48
We're not being had. Flatpicker Dec 2016 #51
I keep hoping Flatpicker Dec 2016 #49
Marvelous! Spot on. cer7711 Dec 2016 #53
Thank you. McCamy Taylor Dec 2016 #56
We are on the right path. McCamy Taylor Dec 2016 #57
The one bright spot is the old draft-dodger's new-found fondness for generals Perseus Dec 2016 #61
"Meanwhile, the Democrats wander in the woods, walking into trees." CrispyQ Dec 2016 #67
right on heaven05 Dec 2016 #68

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,668 posts)
2. Garrison Keillor is Spot On. Period.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:39 PM
Dec 2016

This is beautifully written, and every goddamn word is True.

Thank you, my dear babylonsister.

The orange twit has all of us by the p***y.



dhill926

(16,351 posts)
3. K & R...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:59 PM
Dec 2016

for the peerless writing of Keillor. Too bad that none of those 80,000 trump voters will read this, or even if they did....comprehend it....

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
4. Good read from 1999
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:00 PM
Dec 2016
Let Jesse Be Jesse
From Time Magazine -
October 11, 1999

Here in Minnesota, we are carrying on an experiment in democracy, having elected a governor whom we can especially enjoy because most of us didn't vote for him and are not responsible. This is something new in America, the ironic public servant.

Ordinarily a governor is elected with 51 or 55 or (if he is young and has luminous children and his opponent is a pencil-necked geek) 60 percent of the vote, and two months after his inauguration, he starts to brown around the edges and disillusionment sets in, starting with the people who once worshipped the ground he trod on and now see that, alas, he is a dumb cluck like everyone else and has no solutions for problems such as ignorance and cruelty and the aging process.

In Minnesota, our emperor started out with no clothes at all. He came to us from a branch of the performing arts in which large men who resemble comic-book characters pretend to fight each other, so when he was sworn into office and did not appoint barflies and dope dealers to office but donned a suit and white shirt and horn-rimmed glasses and managed to sound half-smart about a third of the time, his approval ratings turned three sheets to the wind and have stayed that way ever since.

...

This summer, Ventura told farmers that he doesn't like to use the term "farm crisis" (the state estimates that one-eighth of the state's 75,000 full-time farmers will get out of farming this year) because it is too negative. A few weeks later, for a fee of a million dollars or so (he was oddly coy about the amount) Ventura climbed back in the pro wrestling ring as a referee, to be amongst men strutting around the ring pointing at their butts and yelling butt-related words for the audience to yell back at them. It wasn't a proud moment for Minnesotans. Then, in September, Ventura touted Donald Trump as a presidential candidate. Let's be clear about this: anyone who imagines Donald Trump in the White House has the brains of a stale bagel. Donald Trump makes Ross Perot look like a giant. Jesse Ventura was the first man, aside from those in Mr. Trump's employ, to ever make this imaginative leap.

...

http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/features/deskofgk/991011_time.shtml

TwilightZone

(25,473 posts)
11. Trump ran in 2000. By the time of this article, it was pretty obvious he was going to run.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:14 PM
Dec 2016

He announced an exploratory committee on October 7, 1999.

Ventura wasn't prescient - everyone knew Trump was considering it.

RedWedge

(618 posts)
5. TL;DR: "Who would have ever thought, after all the tut-tutting I did in my writings about him?"
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:04 PM
Dec 2016

Lots of fancy, funny words and not a lot of substance, beyond mocking the idea of a popular, charismatic congressman dedicating himself full time to running the DNC. Excuse me, mocking the idea of a popular, charismatic, "black Muslim congressman from Minneapolis."

RedWedge

(618 posts)
10. I mean, what use is smug despair? Where does one go after reading this?
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:12 PM
Dec 2016

It's literary Doritos -- fun to consume, otherwise useless.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
19. Not everything has to be a manifesto
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:35 PM
Dec 2016

Sometimes great writing holds its place in history by being just that, great writing.

Keillor chronicles this moment in time precisely.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
23. Too bad you don't get what good writing this is.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:02 PM
Dec 2016

It's truly great writing. A joy to read and says a whole lot about this country.

RedWedge

(618 posts)
25. Interesting; I got no joy reading it. I found it smug and it ended with a "let's hope" shrug.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:11 PM
Dec 2016

But then, people like GK can afford to shrug and sit back as things fall apart. I do realize I'm a voice in the wilderness when it comes to GK, though. People tend to like clever writing that they agree with, no doubt.

Hekate

(90,763 posts)
30. Your sig line begs the question: Which returnee are you?
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:30 PM
Dec 2016

"You might recognize me; I've been here before. Great day for hay, eh boys?"

TwilightZone

(25,473 posts)
15. Keillor lives in Minnesota
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:21 PM
Dec 2016

There's nothing like local exposure to better understand politicians. He probably has more knowledge - and, certainly, more local exposure - of Keith Ellison than the vast majority of armchair political analysts on DU who are clamoring for Ellison mostly because Bernie Sanders is.

I like Ellison. I think he'd be good in the job. But I also respect Keillor's knowledge and experience. And, locals almost always know their politicians better than outsiders.

Just ask DU Ohioans about John Kasich.

TwilightZone

(25,473 posts)
20. Do you know who Garrison Keillor is?
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:45 PM
Dec 2016

I'm not being sarcastic. Honest question.

Author of a couple dozen books; spent decades doing public radio, political humor, and political satire; won a few awards, including a Grammy and a Peabody; member of the Radio Hall of Fame. Fixture of Minnesota (and national) politics and culture for the last 45 years or so.

If you're questioning his knowledge and experience, I suspect you might not know much about him.

RedWedge

(618 posts)
24. I do, and I didn't take it sarcastically.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:03 PM
Dec 2016

Here's what I see: He's a writer who made a name uncovering the bittersweet nostalgia of small-town middle America and sharing it with others, and then made money parodying it. He's done nice work. He's a reliable party fundraiser who can also be an asshole. But his newspaper articles rarely illuminate. They say what most already know, to those who already know it. He's also a well-spoken and reasonable bigot, and many are willing to give him a pass because he hits the targets many of us like to see hit. He's very good at patronizingly and eloquently putting down what's before him in his writing, without offering any alternatives -- as he did with the dig at Ellison in this article. If he does offer alternatives, they tend to be airy, "lift up mine eyes to the hills" type stuff -- which is not how political work gets done.

Some may find it helpful or inspiring. I don't.

TwilightZone

(25,473 posts)
26. So, you feign ignorance, then go on a rant about how Keillor is a bigot and an asshole?
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:12 PM
Dec 2016

Sure, whatever.

Have a nice evening.

RedWedge

(618 posts)
27. I'm not clear on where you think I was "feigning ignorance."
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:19 PM
Dec 2016

The only thing I can guess is that you thought my question


What, exactly, do you see as Keillor's knowledge and experience?
displayed ignorance at who he is or what he does? I'm sorry if that wasn't clear -- I obviously have my opinion on him and his work, and was wondering how other people saw it. As I said to someone else, I know my opinion is in the minority, but he is certainly not universally beloved among Minnesotans, Minnesota writers or DFLers, and it's interesting to me to hear how others see him. His low-key but consistent digs at people who don't fit the Lake Wobegon ideal undermine his message, to me, and even when I agree with his work I find it tedious and, ultimately, unsatisfying, as I get to the end and say "so what?"

Enjoy your evening. It's almost the weekend.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
63. Keillor lives in a mansion in St. Paul.
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 11:19 AM
Dec 2016

I have always liked him, but rarely listen to his show, but then I rarely listen t radio. He has volunteered to help in elections with keynote speeches and has been a party stalwart for years. The funny thing about Mr. Keiller is that despite this my great aunt in Denver was shocked when I told her he was a Republican. She's a huge fan. I think his criticism of Keith is wrong, but I can see his point. But in my opinion he really doesn't get how this country has changed in our lifetime. It's just like my great aunt who still sees the Republican party as it was under the old family friend from Abilene.

TwilightZone

(25,473 posts)
64. "my great aunt in Denver was shocked when I told her he was a Republican"
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 11:40 AM
Dec 2016

Keillor would be shocked, too. He's a member of the Democratic–Farmer–Labor Party.

He wrote a book called "Homegrown Democrat: A Few Plain Thoughts from the Heart of America"

He's...not a Republican.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
7. Trouble is
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:08 PM
Dec 2016

there is no one there to tell him to 'hold on, lets think this through.'

We're f.u.c.k.e.d. Simple as that.

maybe the third eye blind asshole will succumb to his greatness and finally we can have peace. Hold your breath NOT.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
12. That's why he wants "buddy" Generals...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:15 PM
Dec 2016

at the NSA, at the Defense Department, and at Homeland Security. He can snap his fingers and declare martial law in an instant. And all the generals would go along.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
13. I so agree with you
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:17 PM
Dec 2016

for a while there it looked like mankind would start getting its shit together then tRump came along.
4 years is an eternity when it comes to tearing down all we've worked so hard for so many years building

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
59. Correction, then Reagan came along
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 07:28 AM
Dec 2016

The downhill slide accelerated there and hasn't stopped since.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
60. I have to agree with that too
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 09:05 AM
Dec 2016

ETA: tRump is the here and now and he is what I'm scared shitless of at the moment. He is, to me, a much more dangerous person that raygun ever was.

well its the people these republiCONs surround themselves with that are the powers. Raygun was only a front man same as what tRump will be/is
Right now it appears tRump is in charge of his domain but thats a facade and it will crumble soon

CrispyQ

(36,492 posts)
66. That's about the time the democratic party turned chicken shit.
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 12:48 PM
Dec 2016

Reagan poked fun at the word liberal & the dems ran from it. Soon after, they were oinking at the same trough as the repubs. Sure, the dems throw us bigger crumbs, but they are on the same corporate gravy train as the repubs & they've made no effort to change direction. Maybe if they'd been a true opposition party the past 35 years, instead of shifting right every time someone whispers the word liberal, we wouldn't have PEOTUS Trump.

Obama is just an icon for the entire party in this cartoon below & it's been going on for almost four decades.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
69. I concur!
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 02:46 PM
Dec 2016

All presidents since late 70s have been Reaganites. Reagan successfully shifted the burden of maintaining the country from the rich to the poor.

--imm

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
38. You haven't been around many Generals I take it. Particularly 3 or 4 star generals
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 08:29 PM
Dec 2016

If you are looking for folks to do your bidding as you go off and do wrong, these are not the guys with whom to surround yourself.

There is a reason Reagan went and got himself a Lt. Colonel.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
40. I think Lt General Flynn would do whatever the Donald asked?
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 08:46 PM
Dec 2016

I think he is putting generals into these positions for a reason, and it is not because he likes generals. The Homeland Security general is a very dangerous position, in my opinion. Trump studies character very closely. He seldom will associate with anyone that does not see him as their superior and will be loyal to the Donald.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
45. Nope, that's not his reputation at all. From the wiki entry on his retirement...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 10:01 PM
Dec 2016

On April 30, 2014, Flynn announced his retirement effective later in 2014, about a year earlier than he had been scheduled to leave his position. He was reportedly effectively forced out of the DIA after clashing with superiors over his allegedly chaotic management style and vision for the agency.[21][22][23][24] In a private email which was leaked online, Colin Powell said that he had heard in the DIA (apparently from later DIA director Vincent R. Stewart) that Flynn got fired because he was "Abusive with staff, didn’t listen, worked against policy, bad management, etc."[23] According to the New York Times, Flynn exhibited a loose relationship with facts, leading his subordinates to refer to Flynn's repeated dubious assertions as "Flynn facts".[25]

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
52. Yup It's writing all right.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 11:53 PM
Dec 2016

But that's all it is.

We need more than writers, and comedians, and critics of our culture.

More Al Franken's and less Keillor's would make the world better. What's the point of calling out something as wrong, if that's all you do.

We need more. And I'm saying that being a fan of GK's work.

Social Commentary without social action is worthless.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
54. I deeply disagree. We need them ALL.
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 12:48 AM
Dec 2016

We need intellectuals and artists. We need philosophers and politicians.

You are wrong to say that social commentary is worthless without social action. Social Commentary is the VERY THING that propels social action.

The arts-- be it visual, written, or musical -- have always propelled social action.

Keller is doing his job, and he is doing it well.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
55. I used to agree
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 01:02 AM
Dec 2016

But I'm not seeing it now.

The ease of digital media made us lose sight of the end game. Everyone can criticize now. In the past, the arts mattered because only a few had the ability to create and publish. Now everybody can talk, and, talking has replaced making a difference.

Now, the arts propel social discussion. TPTB like that. Better we talk while they take advantage of us instead of doing.
We talk, they strip our land. We talk, they poison our air. We talk, they incite violence.

We talk.

We've spent too much time pointing and laughing at society and not enough interacting with it.
The balance shifted too far from action. Now, it's hurt us badly.

We can't, in good conscience, continue to look, laugh and not participate.

We stand and they stop. Look at DAPL. Talking didn't stop them. Laughing didn't.

I'm as guilty as others, but I want to change.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
65. You're obligation is to follow your own activist demands
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 12:45 PM
Dec 2016

Everyone else has their own way of being activists.

elleng

(131,032 posts)
29. :thumbsup:
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:21 PM
Dec 2016

'The one bright spot is the old draft-dodger's new-found fondness for generals, including the one who talked him out of the idea of torturing prisoners of war. Military experience does encourage a certain respect for reality. There is hope that if the showman should decide late one night to incinerate Iran or North Korea and get it over with, someone might say, "Hold on. Let's think this through."'

babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
31. And then there is Michael T. Flynn. Do LT GENs count?
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:30 PM
Dec 2016

Flynn was once opposed to waterboarding and other extreme interrogation techniques that have now been banned; however, according to an August 2016 Washington Post article, he said at one point, in the context of Trump's apparent openness to reinstating such techniques, that "he would be reluctant to take options off the table."

Flynn has been a board member of ACT! for America,[55] and sees the Muslim faith as one of the root causes of Islamist terrorism.[25] He has described Islam as a political ideology and a cancer.[25][59] He stated in a Twitter post that "fear of Muslims is RATIONAL"[55] and included a video link claiming that Islam wants “80% of people enslaved or exterminated”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Flynn

Hekate

(90,763 posts)
33. Keillor is a genius at observation of humanity, like Twain. And like Twain, often not funny/ha-ha.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:34 PM
Dec 2016

Satire comes with sharp edges, sometimes with tears.

Funny/odd that one person here doesn't get it at all.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
35. At some point we must ask, "Can the world ever return to normal?"
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:56 PM
Dec 2016

Is there a feedback loop in our social circuitry that's sending us down a path of self-destruction? No, there are just propaganda loops playing over and over again, and money controls what people think, see, hear, do, and apparently how they vote, or at least how the apparently voted.

We must take back the vote, regain transparent elections and not trust unknown persons to count the vote.

DemoTex

(25,400 posts)
37. Excellent .. but that last paragraph about the generals misses the big danger for Trump.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 08:16 PM
Dec 2016

All those general officers (once a general, always a general, I always say). All those generals with experience. All those generals with ways & means. All those generals with grudges, prejudices, and paranoia. No self-respecting banana republic dictator would ever be caught surrounded by so many generals, ESPECIALLY after dissing the general officer corps so badly during the campaign.

Trump, check six. Always check six.

Jacob Boehme

(789 posts)
39. Keillor's Disbelief
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 08:37 PM
Dec 2016

So it would appear now that the only meaningful measure of what might be termed a ‘successful’ Trump presidency will be if he leaves office without getting us all killed.

lindysalsagal

(20,718 posts)
46. He brought the U.S. presidency down to his level:sideshow of a carnival.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 10:08 PM
Dec 2016

I wonder if anyone can ever bring it back to the respectability that we used to enjoy.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
48. We Are Being Had
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 11:17 PM
Dec 2016

What gave us this creep, more than anything, was the criminal crosscheck program that illegally strips people's voting registration because they had a similar name to people in another state. They go after names common to people who vote democratic. This was debuted by Dragon Lady Katherine Harris in Florida 2000. People who have voted for years find out that they are no longer registered.

This was in place in all the critical states this year.

Gore won in 2000. Kerry won in 2004. Max Cleland won the race that bounced him out of the Senate. And on and on, the right is rigging race after race. The exit polls in these races were right, the final numbers dirty as Hell.

If democrats do not fight back hard starting now for 2018 many may flee to a sane country. We are so close to a reactionary white nationalist takeover.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
51. We're not being had.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 11:41 PM
Dec 2016

Every R election from POTUS to Local Dog catcher has lead to this.

Disenfranchisement exists, but we let it happen for years already by not voting.
Dems have a problem. The youth only come out for Presidential Elections, if at all, and were ceding the future by giving away the local offices.

The problem right now is systematic. They were able to cull the voters and gerrymander the districts because the day to day running of government is something no-one cares about. It's boring.

You could almost say that Trump is the product of 30 years of local neglect by the voters.

We have to go back to basics and get our houses in order locally.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
61. The one bright spot is the old draft-dodger's new-found fondness for generals
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 09:10 AM
Dec 2016

I am not sure that is a "bright spot", I have seen this before, enhance the military's reach and you are in for a dictatorship. See countries like Venezuela, the only thing keeping the corrupt regime is the military.

Beware of too much coddling with the military, tunnel vision people, once corrupted tend to do bad things, case is Petreus, seduced by a p.ssy, did some bad things, and still got away with it.

CrispyQ

(36,492 posts)
67. "Meanwhile, the Democrats wander in the woods, walking into trees."
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 01:03 PM
Dec 2016

This is a party that has not demonstrated much fight for 35 years & we think they are going to stand up to Trump & his nightmare cabinet? We are so fucked. I'm trying to operate like everything is normal & going to be okay, but there is an undercurrent of terror running through me that has been constant since election day. I wish we had W back, that's how bad it is. W with Cheney.

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