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riversedge

(70,205 posts)
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 01:23 AM Dec 2016

PPPolling show that Trump voters live and believe in Untruthful reality compared to

Last edited Fri Dec 9, 2016, 01:59 AM - Edit history (1)

other voters--even Republican voters. Rachel Maddow reported on an exclusive early release of some of the new poll tonight.

Up is Down and Down is UP


Poll: 59% of Trump voters say Trump should not release his tax returns


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Timothy McBride ‏@mcbridetd 3h3 hours ago

4. Incredibly, 40% of Trump voters think Trump won popular vote (though of course Clinton did)





@ppppolls @maddow
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Timothy McBride ‏@mcbridetd 3h3 hours ago

3. Unemployment fell in half under Obama, but yet 67% of Trump voters think unemployment went up!@ppppolls @maddow





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Timothy McBride ‏@mcbridetd 3h3 hours ago

2. Stock market rose 11,666 points under Obama, but 39% of Trump voters think Dow is DOWN under @POTUS







@ppppolls @maddow
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ofus ‏@ofus 3h3 hours ago


Trump voters don't live in our reality. They have their own facts.
via @ppppolls on @maddow










https://twitter.com/ofus/status/807048892474916872

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Big Daddy ‏@Big_Daddy1965 3h3 hours ago

@ppppolls wow @maddow shows 2/3s of the USA wants you to release your tax returns @realDonaldTrump except your supporters




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzMz1G3UsAAkE2P.








Timothy McBride
‏@mcbridetd

5. 50% of all voters approved of Obama, yet only FIVE PERCENT of Trump voters approve of @POTUS
@ppppolls @maddow



8:30 PM - 8 Dec 2016


Reply to @mcbridetd @POTUS @ppppolls @maddow


Timothy McBride ‏@mcbridetd 3h3 hours ago

6. Most incredibly (maybe) 29% of Trump voters don't think California's vote should be included in popular vote


https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/806992599647133699





Dennis Shea ‏@DennisG_Shea 3h3 hours ago

@mcbridetd @ppppolls @maddow well 3 million illegal votes you know
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Timothy McBride ‏@mcbridetd 3h3 hours ago

@DennisG_Shea 60% of Trump voters think millions of illegals voted

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PPPolling show that Trump voters live and believe in Untruthful reality compared to (Original Post) riversedge Dec 2016 OP
But remember! world wide wally Dec 2016 #1
I've been scolded here for that SHRED Dec 2016 #6
Fuck those ignorant, bigoted deplorables! LonePirate Dec 2016 #8
How about dumasz supporters?! nt Stellar Dec 2016 #19
Works for me world wide wally Dec 2016 #20
Yep.. we'll see if that gets them Cha Dec 2016 #2
And they're proud of their ignorance. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #3
Willfully ignorant. I don't know how anyone can spooky3 Dec 2016 #4
Should we try our hand at fake news maybe? world wide wally Dec 2016 #7
One frustration for me is that spooky3 Dec 2016 #12
Then once we're elected we do whatever we want world wide wally Dec 2016 #14
These are the people we're supposed to reach out to and convert to D. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #5
It all goes back to the repeal of the fairness doctrine by Raygun. roamer65 Dec 2016 #9
And I'm supposed to believe their side is equal to mine. Fuck these people and fuck these Feeling the Bern Dec 2016 #10
Meth is a powerful drug RB TexLa Dec 2016 #11
THIS is what we're up against. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #13
Prof Dunning himself warned back in May that the Dunning-Kruger Effect explains Trump voters muriel_volestrangler Dec 2016 #15
We get paid for this? Where's my check? Initech Dec 2016 #16
Hard not too see racism here malaise Dec 2016 #17
John Cleese explains them in less than a minute. retread Dec 2016 #18
Nice n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Dec 2016 #21

spooky3

(34,447 posts)
4. Willfully ignorant. I don't know how anyone can
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 01:52 AM
Dec 2016

Reach them. I wonder what percent listen to RW hate radio.

spooky3

(34,447 posts)
12. One frustration for me is that
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 02:09 AM
Dec 2016

The evidence suggests that BIG lies are very effective with these people. Promise that you'll being their jobs back, that you'll get them or their kids free tuition (with the current Republican Congress--yeah, that's doable), that you'll deport all those nasty immigrants, etc. They'll vote for you!

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
5. These are the people we're supposed to reach out to and convert to D.
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 01:53 AM
Dec 2016

Are some of them salvageable? Probably. Is it worth the time to try to figure out which ones, or is our time better spent on the people who didn't vote this election who usually are reliably D?

Hmm, that's a tough one.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
10. And I'm supposed to believe their side is equal to mine. Fuck these people and fuck these
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 02:06 AM
Dec 2016

false equivalency assholes that believe both parties are the same.

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
13. THIS is what we're up against.
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 03:47 AM
Dec 2016

THIS is the real enemy - The Stupid.

You can't reason with them, you can't educate them, you can't counter the bullshit with facts - because they have their own "facts".

These are people who think the earth is 6,000 years old, because the Bible says so. These are people who believe Alex Jones is telling them the truth that the gov't is trying to hide from them. These are people who respond to those emails from the Ethiopian prince whose uncle left millions in a US bank account, and actually send them him their banking information. These are people who think ALL welfare recipients are black, and they spend their welfare checks on big-screen TVs and crack.

These are people who know that Trump outsources jobs to low-wage countries, and still believe he's on the side of the working man. These are people who heard the pussy-grabber tape, and still insist that Trump is a good Christian who was "chosen by god" to lead them.

You can't fight The Stupid. You can't convince them that Democrats are the "party of the people" because those latte-lovin' liberals are always giving their hard-earned tax dollars to lazy moochers, and funding drive-through abortion clinics.

The Stupid aren't ashamed of their stupidity. They wear it as a badge of honour - and it's an accolade they don't want taken away from them.

They will literally believe anything, as long as the person telling the tale is as stupid as they are.


muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
15. Prof Dunning himself warned back in May that the Dunning-Kruger Effect explains Trump voters
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 06:07 AM
Dec 2016
The Psychological Quirk That Explains Why You Love Donald Trump

The popularity of the GOP front-runner can be explained by the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

Many commentators have argued that Donald Trump’s dominance in the GOP presidential race can be largely explained by ignorance; his candidacy, after all, is most popular among Republican voters without college degrees. Their expertise about current affairs is too fractured and full of holes to spot that only 9 percent of Trump’s statements are “true” or “mostly” true, according to PolitiFact, whereas 57 percent are “false” or “mostly false”—the remainder being “pants on fire” untruths. Trump himself has memorably declared: “I love the poorly educated.”

But as a psychologist who has studied human behavior—including voter behavior—for decades, I think there is something deeper going on. The problem isn’t that voters are too uninformed. It is that they don’t know just how uninformed they are.
...
Again, the key to the Dunning-Kruger Effect is not that unknowledgeable voters are uninformed; it is that they are often misinformed—their heads filled with false data, facts and theories that can lead to misguided conclusions held with tenacious confidence and extreme partisanship, perhaps some that make them nod in agreement with Trump at his rallies.

Trump himself also exemplifies this exact pattern, showing how the Dunning-Kruger Effect can lead to what seems an indomitable sense of certainty. All it takes is not knowing the point at which the proper application of a sensible idea turns into malpractice.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-supporters-dunning-kruger-effect-213904
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