If someone had dropped the Trump/Putin stuff before the election

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Ess ‏@ScottyLiterati 23h23 hours ago
Hillary dropped this exact same info about Russia in front of 66 million viewers in October. But I guess no one listened because... emails

TRUMP: ...Now we can talk about Putin. I don't know Putin. He said nice things about me. If we got along well, that would be good. If Russia and the United States got along well and went after ISIS, that would be good.

He has no respect for her. He has no respect for our president. And I'll tell you what: We're in very serious trouble, because we have a country with tremendous numbers of nuclear warheads -- 1,800, by the way -- where they expanded and we didn't, 1,800 nuclear warheads. And she's playing chicken. Look, Putin...

WALLACE: Wait, but...

TRUMP: ... from everything I see, has no respect for this person.

CLINTON: Well, that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president of the United States.

TRUMP: No puppet. No puppet.

CLINTON: And it's pretty clear...

TRUMP: You're the puppet!

CLINTON: It's pretty clear you won't admit...

TRUMP: No, you're the puppet.

CLINTON: ... that the Russians have engaged in cyberattacks against the United States of America, that you encouraged espionage against our people, that you are willing to spout the Putin line, sign up for his wish list, break up NATO, do whatever he wants to do, and that you continue to get help from him, because he has a very clear favorite in this race.

So I think that this is such an unprecedented situation. We've never had a foreign government trying to interfere in our election. We have 17 -- 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyberattacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin and they are designed to influence our election. I find that deeply disturbing.

WALLACE: Secretary Clinton...

CLINTON: And I think it's time you take a stand...

TRUMP: She has no idea whether it's Russia, China, or anybody else.

CLINTON: I am not quoting myself.

TRUMP: She has no idea.

CLINTON: I am quoting 17...

TRUMP: Hillary, you have no idea.

CLINTON: ... 17 intelligence -- do you doubt 17 military and civilian...

TRUMP: And our country has no idea.

CLINTON: ... agencies.

[ffr]

1. Because horse race too

The non-journalistic M$M loved playing both sides to keep the public a misinformed as possible, keeping the horse race alive.

[YOHABLO]

12. So we stay glued to our tv's and watch their ridiculous advertisements.

[Sunlei]

2. Republicans never complained. I always wondered why Jeb & others walked away without a fight.

Reports are now-Republicans were hacked as well & must have been blackmailed? quitters & cowards, must have been something huge in hacked R emails to silence them so thoroughly.

Even today, why are Republicans afraid to call for hacking investigations? they were willing to spend millions to drag Clintons through the courts. Why won't they check Americas security?

[George Eliot]

3. I doubt it would have mattered.

[leftyladyfrommo]

9. I don't think it would either.

I don't understand why it didn't. Are people so ignorant of world affairs that they don't see Putin as a danger?

I don't get it. But I don't think the people here in Missouri cared. So many people here were just so anti Obama and so anti the name of Clinton. They voted for the devil himself.

[LittleGirl]

10. America is isolated

and coming from the Midwest myself, I saw it daily. I live in Europe now and it's appalling what Russia has done to our elections. I just wished the GOP had the balls and backbone to stand up and say, WAIT A MINUTE here. But they WON the election and won't do a damn thing to change that. They are all about WINNING. Even if it's against the constitution or our citizens. They won so we all need to STFU and stop being poor little snowflakes.

[brer cat]

13. This election, especially with the Russian hacking, has laid bare

the tragedy that one of our parties no longer cares about the country they are supposed to govern. I can remember when both parties had enough members of principle and character that they worked together, but no more. You are correct that they are now all about winning at whatever cost, and imposing their will on the people while enriching themselves and their cronies. The liberal wing of the republican party used to be real; it is now extinct.

Living in Europe probably gives you a different perspective than those of us stuck in the mire here. I think Americans have always been ignorant to some degree, probably considerably, about world affairs and our role as one of MANY countries. You must be facing much disbelief and derision about our state of affairs, as well as horror about what is to come. I hope you will share with us the world views that you experience. We have many expats on this board and I always find their views and observations enlightening.

[LittleGirl]

14. I watch BBC

quite often, married to a brit, so American news is always front and center too. Thank you for your kind words about sharing my views. I know mostly UK expats here and very few Americans. I didn't even follow politics until 9/11 and I was one of those naive ones because I grew up in the Nixon era and thought they were all crooks. President Obama is the one that pulled me in and I've been researching politics since 2007 when I first moved here. Wow, have I learned a lot since then. I didn't vote for a couple of decades because I thought, again, they were all crooks. I am amazed about how the right wing have been embolden since trump's election and the Brexit vote. I was totally wrong too. I thought we would win by a landslide and maybe we would have had the Russians kept their nose out of our business. I really think everyone that gives a damn about America needs to stand up and demand a new election.

[LittleGirl]

15. By the way

I noticed your photo of President Carter, he was the first President I voted for but he lost that year. He is a model President in my eyes. I hope Obama does the same after he leaves office.

[brer cat]

18. I believe that President Obama

will be an outstanding and very busy former President. Two that we will be proud to "own."

[LittleGirl]

19. Thumbs up to that! I own them both! Cheers! eom

[treestar]

4. True the MSN fixed it

For him. Too bad enough voters are gullible enough to let the mSm influence them that much.

[coolbreeze77]

5. So what happens now? We got a russian puppet "elected".

I don't think there's ever been a situation like this.

[RonniePudding]

6. Optimal scenario at this point

Trump becomes president, the other shoe drops with the Putin connection and he is either impeached or resigns. In either case Pence would be in charge and Trump would be out of the way. It's a virtual certainty that some variation of this has been discussed in GOP power circles for months now.

Difficult to see anything happening with the electors and I'm not sure there's enough time to get to the bottom of this before the Manchurian Candidate takes office.

[LittleGirl]

11. Which is why I had a hissy fit

when Pence was selected. OMG, trump is bad but Pence is WORST. Much much worse.

[RonniePudding]

23. Pence is a traditional GOP pol

And not a very good one either. I think he would be easy to knock off in the next election relative to his boss.

[2naSalit]

7. Seems like WE did nothing of the sort

if the voting counts were compromised. And I think you're right, we ain't never seen a train wreck like this one, here.

[TheBlackAdder]

17. If they were worried, they'd push Federalist 68, about the EC purpose to prevent foreign influence.

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Therefore, the direct election of the president is left up to those who have been selected by the voters to become the electors. This indirect election is justified by Hamilton because while a republic is still served, the system allows for only a certain type of person to be elected president, preventing individuals who are unfit for a variety of reasons to be in the position of chief executive of the country.

This is reflected in his later fears about the types of people who could potentially become president. He worries that corrupted individuals could, particularly those who are either more directly associated with a foreign state, or individuals who do not have the capacity to run the country. The former is covered by Article II, Section 1, v of the United States Constitution, while the latter is covered by Hamilton in Federalist 68, where he notes that the person who will become president will have to be a person who possesses the faculties necessary to be a president, stating that,

Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single State; but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole Union, or of so considerable a portion of it as would be necessary to make him a successful candidate for the distinguished office of President of the United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._68


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[BainsBane]

8. No, he takes his intelligence briefings from Putin

Rather than the US intelligence services. He's obvious decided he can hoard a lot of money off his relationship with Putin, and for Trump we know the one thing that has always motivated him is self-enrichment. Being president won't change who he is. Instead, he'll institutionalize a level of corruption unseen before. He's got an excellent mentor.

[TheBlackAdder]

16. It didn't matter: The MSM drum beats of war, similar to the ramping of Iraq War, set the narrative.

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The Brietbarts, Drudges, and other disturbed websites had the RWers believing that Putin and Russia were OK.


They managed to completely reverse the polarity of RW/Conservative Russian doctrine in less than a year!


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20. Unreal rewatching the debates

Jared Yates Sexton @JYSexton
Unreal rewatching the debates for my book. Clinton told everyone in the third everything we've just heard from the intelligence community

[Buckeye_Democrat]

21. I followed all of the possible Trump-Putin-Russia connections before the election.

I think it would have been far more effective if Obama had openly talked about the CIA investigation to the American people during an evening, national telecast.

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22. maybe

...however, his DHS and the DNI did make detailed accusations against Russia for hacking in October.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/19/the-final-trump-clinton-debate-transcript-annotated/?utm_term=.c5eb722dd00b