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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:50 PM Dec 2016

CIA Veterans Urge Caution on Leaks Saying Russia's Putin Tried to get Trump Elected

CIA Veterans Urge Caution on Leaks Saying Russia's Putin Tried to get Trump Elected
Jeff Stein
Newsweek

“I am not saying that I don't think Russia did this,” Nada Bakos, a top former CIA counterterrorism officer tells Newsweek, in a typical comment. “My main concern is that we will rush to judgment. The analysis needs to be cohesive and done the right way.”

Reports on the alleged Russian effort have been anything but cohesive, or complete. During a closed-door briefing to the House Intelligence Committee last week, a senior FBI counterintelligence official reportedly scoffed at the CIA’s conclusion that Russia had plotted to put Trump in office, calling the evidence “fuzzy” and “ambiguous.” Details of the meeting were leaked to The Washington Post.

Another former senior official, who said he was reluctant to go on the record on “something that has obviously been politicized,” tells Newsweek that he, too, is wary of reports that CIA knows for certain that the Kremlin designed a hacking campaign with the specific goal of electing Trump, as opposed to just damaging Hillary Clinton, a hawk on Russia. In order to know Moscow’s intentions, he said, U.S. intelligence would have to have more than cyber-tracks showing Russia’s spy services transferred emails it stole from the Democratic National Committee to WikiLeaks, the whistleblower group led by Julian Assange.

Bakos, a 10-year CIA veteran who worked through a political storm over Iraq intelligence after the September 11 , 2001 terrorist attacks, appealed for a thorough investigation where all the evidence can be examined.

“For the collective good of the American people,” she wrote in a stream of tweets starting Friday, “a thorough Intel Community assessment or NIE should be drafted immediately.” An NIE, or National Intelligence Estimate, is a deep investigation by multiple spy agencies, led by the CIA, on critical issues facing the United States. They are often the product of intense internal fights and can trigger huge controversy, such as the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran’s nuclear program. Paristan leaks often follow.

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CIA Veterans Urge Caution on Leaks Saying Russia's Putin Tried to get Trump Elected (Original Post) portlander23 Dec 2016 OP
FORMER officer. The rightwing noise machine gears up. France, England, Holland, Germany KittyWampus Dec 2016 #1
Russia will invade one of their neighbors come spring, there will be no push back from Trump. sarcasmo Dec 2016 #6
"They'll stop at Poland" Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #7
Will they stop? sarcasmo Dec 2016 #10
They won't Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #11
Yeap, seems enough noise was made about this to bring others to the fray... Don't think this issue uponit7771 Dec 2016 #2
"...the specific goal of electing Trump, as opposed to just damaging Hillary Clinton..." Adsos Letter Dec 2016 #3
As I said in another thread (in LBN) Nevernose Dec 2016 #4
I missed your thread in LBN. Adsos Letter Dec 2016 #5
Thread credit goes to mahatmakanejeeves Nevernose Dec 2016 #8
CIA would be highly irresponsible moondust Dec 2016 #9
Another hit and run post. How (un)surprising. Justice Dec 2016 #12
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
1. FORMER officer. The rightwing noise machine gears up. France, England, Holland, Germany
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:52 PM
Dec 2016

Russia is interfering in every western Democracy except America. Despite the overwhelming circumstantial evidence in Trump's campaign staff and cabinet choices being Putin-friendly.

As Russian missiles roll into Eastern Europe.

Try and spread uncertainty and confusion.

uponit7771

(90,370 posts)
2. Yeap, seems enough noise was made about this to bring others to the fray... Don't think this issue
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:53 PM
Dec 2016

... is going away quick

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
3. "...the specific goal of electing Trump, as opposed to just damaging Hillary Clinton..."
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:56 PM
Dec 2016

Another former senior official, who said he was reluctant to go on the record on “something that has obviously been politicized,” tells Newsweek that he, too, is wary of reports that CIA knows for certain that the Kremlin designed a hacking campaign with the specific goal of electing Trump, as opposed to just damaging Hillary Clinton, a hawk on Russia.


This seems to me to be a distinction without a difference.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
4. As I said in another thread (in LBN)
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 10:01 PM
Dec 2016

You're right: it's a distinction without a difference, although the motive might be relevant to historians. Assuming our descendants speak English and not Russian, obviously.

14. The circumstancial evidence is completely damning

Did Putin personally autograph Russia's actions? Send a thank you note to Trump? Of course not.

Did Russia hack both the RNC and the DNC, yet only release the DNC emails? Yes. Even the FBI (apparently) believes that.

Do Trump and Company have close personal and financial ties to the Russian government going back decades? Yes.

Did Trump immediately begin nominating entirely pro-Russian cabinet members? Yes.

Have Trump and his people defended Russia -- even threatened to break up NATO -- at every step of the way? Yes.

For any law enforcement agency or prosecutor in the world, this case wouldn't even be close. The only true unknown is the extent of TrumpCo's involvement.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
5. I missed your thread in LBN.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 10:25 PM
Dec 2016

Yes, as someone holding both BA and MA in History, I concur. Just about every aspect of this whole thing is going to be of interest to historians.

moondust

(20,019 posts)
9. CIA would be highly irresponsible
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 11:37 PM
Dec 2016

Last edited Mon Dec 12, 2016, 12:48 AM - Edit history (1)

in releasing anything to the WP that wasn't supported by credible evidence. Among other things, there are elections next year in France and Germany and they have feared Russian interference since before the U.S. election, most likely based on their own intelligence. France even has a Russia-friendly candidates running (Fillon and Le Pen) that I'm sure Putin would love to help get elected.

Russian cyber-attacks could influence German election, says Merkel

German intelligence services 'alarmed' about potential Russian interference in elections

After US election, Russia feared influencing French vote


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