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(22,165 posts)This is much bigger than Watergate.
a_random_joel
(3,418 posts)100%
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)If the Don promises them behind closed doors for the SS cuts they want, which he has said he'll leave alone, scrapping the ACA entirely, signing the TPP, etc. in other words start acting like the GOP stooge every other Republican President would have....
then they will stop making such a "big deal" out of this, and drop the bi from bi-partisanship.
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)There will be hearings.
Nothing will be done.
The Dictator will be sworn in and this country will never be the same.
The majority of our politicians are responsible for what is happening.
They passed the laws that allowed the banks and corporations to rape
the wealth of this country.
They sent our soldiers to war for oil.
They allowed the news to become reality TV.
gordianot
(15,245 posts)I am curious to see where this goes and how angry some people get. Some leaders need to emerge.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)controlling 1200 radio stations from the white house will decide what deserves outrage, and who is to blame
get the red out
(13,468 posts)The news media is owned by the corporations who profited from that hideousness.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)When that whole debacle started, I said to myself, " hmmm,well ... at least gas will be cheaper...".
Fool that I was.
All those dead kids, most from those poorer red states who voted the Chimp into office in the first place.
Inadvertently voted to have their children exterminated and they've now voted for their own demise as well as ours.
Sure glad I'm old now.
I've had a really great life but I fear for our kids and grand-babies - as so many of us here do.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)What a cruel fate they would face.
PatrickforO
(14,593 posts)big pharma, big oil, and Wall Street bankers spent decades propagandizing the American people through Fox-News and hate-talk radio. The now ignorant, brainwashed public elected the buffoon Donald Trump as our president.
So, we now say a sad BOHICA to the American people, everyday people trying to make their living.
Bend
Over
Here
It
Comes
Again
Get ready for more moves towards dictatorship, political oppression, massive arms buildup and WAR!
Rhetorical question: Do you think Comey will ever be tried for illegally helping Trump win the presidency?
bdamomma
(63,928 posts)was Bush and Cheney ever indicted for the Iraq war? This has been planned for a long time, also tRump has been in bed with Russia for a long time. Remember when he asked Russia to find the e mails for Clinton.
This guy is a dangerous whack job. WE NEED TO CALL OUR REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATORS NOW.
tRump along with many others should be held for treason and enemies of the state.
PatrickforO
(14,593 posts)But...google 'treason' and go to images. You will then see what the half of our population brainwashed by Fox 'news' and hate-talk radio believe, and just as fervently.
That doesn't give us excuse for not doing as you say, but it is disheartening.
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)You can start wars and crash the world economy and not be held accountable.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)well go home and stay home. They are financial parasites.
rpannier
(24,341 posts)Saviolo
(3,283 posts)They passed the laws that would allow the banks and corporations to buy speech and elections with the grotesque Citizens United decision.
We're back to the golden rule. Who has the gold makes the rules.
pnwmom
(109,000 posts)The Senate Rethugs are perfectly capable of handling it themselves, they say.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)I hope it's a sign that Republicans are taking seriously not only the Russian hacking, but the prospect of a president who puts self-interest above the country.
It's interesting/sobering that half of the news value of this piece is that there was cooperation. About ANYTHING!
mdbl
(4,976 posts)They will put on a show to negate their crimes. They've been doing it for 30 years now. The ultimate way to negate their crimes this go around is to abolish the laws they love to break.
ZoomBubba
(289 posts)... are probably close to the ends of their careers, so they can feel free to test the waters, so to speak.
I think the bigger news is that Rubio has joined in the calls. He's still someone considered to have a political future (he also outperformed Trump by a wide margin) and I think that can be taken as a sign that Republicans are getting pretty serious. If a few more join in, then Trump is suddenly in a world of trouble.
Big question is ... if the Senate GOP goes, will the House GOP follow?
Ford_Prefect
(7,923 posts)They certainly won't go anywhere that leads away from owning the system top to bottom.
ZoomBubba
(289 posts)... I think if he puts himself firmly against Trump, some of the younger ones will follow. He outperformed Trump by a good margin and if it doesn't erode, they may follow.
Ford_Prefect
(7,923 posts)ZoomBubba
(289 posts)... it's about whether it's worth the risk. That's pretty much at the heart of things with most career politicians.
It's kind of like "if we stick with Trump long-term, will it be good for us?" and "will standing by him get me elected in 2018?"
Ford_Prefect
(7,923 posts)hacking the GOP that might be used as blackmail. I assume no one in the GOP has the range of choice that would lead them to undermine Trump without a VERY persuasive and inarguable chain of evidence. You have to sell it in to the folks back home, come re-election time, that you brought down THEIR choice for President.
Donny already has 1/2 the press back-pedaling on this one.
ZoomBubba
(289 posts)... the blackmail thing. You can't expect an entire body of elected officials to hold onto a secret like that.
Ford_Prefect
(7,923 posts)Don't assume they cannot block what they do not wish to hear in public even now. McConnell is only 1 senator out of 100 and he got the whole thing hidden until AFTER it would have done the most damage.
Trump's Financials are still hidden from anyone who voted, yet they depend on the favors of a foreign power.
Ask yourself if that isn't an example of the same dynamic?
They don't have to extort ALL of congress, just the ones who steer the others. The press seems willing enough to buy ANY explanation as demonstrated by their treatment of Trump and the other GOP candidates.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)One is progressive values, and Rubio gets us nowhere. But the other is the stability of our democracy. Can a demagogue take over the country and be unopposed by the Republicans? Losing that second battle could mean no chance for the first battle over the long term. We could be destroyed.
phylny
(8,390 posts)offices and thanked them b
rpannier
(24,341 posts)Sen Flake - he hates Trump. was a never Trump Republican and didn't vote for him
Sen Sasse - Also a never Trumper
Sen Collins - Rumored to want to be Governor of Maine in 2018
Orrin Hatch - Remote possibility. But he is retiring. He has nothing to lose or gain at this point
Sen Portman - Part of the Kasich Club. I think if he thought he could make it happen, he'd be promoting Kasich right now and loudly
McKim
(2,412 posts)I am planning to act and contact media and my congress reps. And make as big a stink as I can.
The grown up senators who made this statement need some back up. Don't give into hopelessness. Support the adults who are providing some leadership!
Thank you.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)pnwmom
(109,000 posts)The Senate GOP leaders say they can handle it themselves within their regular committees.
mountain grammy
(26,656 posts)If they wanted to show bipartisanship they would first confirm Garland then move on this.
DK504
(3,847 posts)and say this is an illegitimate Presidency nothing will get done. Especially since SChumer wants to wait until the next session to start a conversation about this.
Isn't this the time?
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)guts to do it now!!!
Russians dont scare me
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Lucky Luciano
(11,262 posts)BSdetect
(8,999 posts)Now that would make things so much better
Puzzler
(2,505 posts)... that I'm going out on a limb here, and suggest that much the rank and file GOP want him gone and Pence take his place. That would be the "easiest" to do constitutionally. (Note "easiest" in quotation marks)
-P
a_random_joel
(3,418 posts)You know, the Repubs sure set an interesting precendent with all of those Benghazi hearings and investigations...
CitizenZero
(538 posts)I have seen some confusion over this even amongst more Liberal news figures, and I think that this is an important point to make- The Russian People are not our enemies, and they never were. It was the Communist Government that oppressed the Russian People and which was our enemy during the Cold War. The Russian People themselves were oppressed by the Communist System. Once that System was overthrown, it was hoped that the Russian People would get the only legitimate form of Government, which is a Constitutional Democracy.
Instead, what happened is that Russia was taken over by Oligarchs who are now under control of the Authoritarian Strong Man, Vladimir Putin. I point this out again because the Russian People deserve a Democracy, just like every other People and every other Nation. I have known a number of Russian People through my University, and they are all good people who desire a real Democracy in their own Homeland, and instead have Putin and his Cronies. So, our mutual enemy is Putin and his Thugs. Our allies there are all the Russian People who thirst for real democracy. The Russian People must be held separate from the Authoritarian Government that oppresses them and thus prevents real Freedom in that Country.
So, in sum, the Authoritarian Russian Government is our enemy, but the Russian People are not. The Russian People themselves suffer under Putin's Regime. That is why Trump likes Putin so much. It is because they are so alike. Both are narcissists see themselves as Authoritarian Strong Men with contempt for Democracy and real Freedom. It is important to make this distinction, because we should be working to help make Russia a Democracy by fighting Putin's Regime. We also must fight the anti-democratic Trump Regime at home as well. Russians who oppose Putin are natural allies to anyone who loves real freedom, and we should not write off an entire Nation that is suffering under the Putin Regime. So, Trump likes Putin, but I am sure he is dismissive of the Russian People who desire real democracy.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)coco22
(1,258 posts)Some of it is their hate for Trump and a lot of it is covering their asses for when the shit hits the fan.