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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 12:46 PM Dec 2016

Trump is 70yo, has trouble remembering stuff and can't concentrate. Dementia?

Yeeeeeeeeeeeees. I knooooooow. This is the x-th OP about that topic and they never go anywhere, but the circumstantial evidence just keeps piling up.

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It is widely known that Trump hasn't got the patience to sit through briefings.
- His campaign-staff told as much.
- He only goes to 1 security-briefing per week, instead of 6.

Also:
- During his campaign, in April 2016, Trump bashed companies for outsourcing jobs, how he would punish them for outsourcing, and he especially cited Carrier as an example...
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-carrier-deal-pay-a-damn-tax-ab3bd64e63d8#.flv6ju6pl
And then he somehow heard about it for the first time in late November 2016 when watching a report about it on TV?
http://time.com/4588349/donald-trump-carrier-jobs-speech/

- He just cannot grasp that his victory wasn't a landslide in the Electoral College and that his mandate is tarnished by losing the popular vote. This huge victory he keeps bragging about exists only in his head. He won by the slimmest of margins. Yet he cannot let go.

- During his campaign, when it was reported that the DNC was hacked and that the russians were the suspects, he ridiculed the idea and jokingly asked the Russians to keep on hacking. He even received a security-briefing on the topic, but refused to believe them.
Yet he just complained via Twitter why the topic of russian hackers wasn't brought up BEFORE the election.

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Trump is 70yo, has trouble remembering stuff and can't concentrate. Dementia? (Original Post) DetlefK Dec 2016 OP
According to several biographers he's always been that way. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #1
Actually, while that may be true, it doesn't account for how different he is in various ways. Coyotl Dec 2016 #6
He has always been that way. Period. n/t duffyduff Dec 2016 #9
I agree with you. In some of... 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #31
Yep. He has been this way his entire life. duffyduff Dec 2016 #10
He has never had to do anything he didn't want to do. Orsino Dec 2016 #21
He's a congenital liar... like most dodgy salesmen JHan Dec 2016 #2
As a former dementia care provider, this has been obvious to me since the beginning. Coyotl Dec 2016 #3
Nope. He did it because he was pissed off at Obama's remarks at that dinner. duffyduff Dec 2016 #8
I was telling everyone about Reagan's obvious dementia too before people would accept the fact. Coyotl Dec 2016 #11
Yep, Reagan had some strange pauses, real lapses in continuity of his thoughts. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #29
I'll say it now - You were right! 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #32
I'm old, and I don't think talking about the possibility of Alzheimer's is ageist. enough Dec 2016 #25
As I commented a few posts... 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #33
Exactly, Trump once was able to speak coherently. Not any more. Coyotl Dec 2016 #35
Yes. riverbendviewgal Dec 2016 #4
That is the reason he tweets everything he has to say CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #30
I really wish people would lay off the ageism. duffyduff Dec 2016 #5
There is such a thing as early-onset Alzheimers - about 5% of cases. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #12
And Alzheimer's is hereditary and Fred Trump had it. Coyotl Dec 2016 #16
True, but Fred was well into his 80s before he got it. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #17
It isn't ageism to diagnose mental disorders. Coyotl Dec 2016 #14
He reminds me of my father truebluegreen Dec 2016 #15
Same here... Zoonart Dec 2016 #26
Yes. Nt truebluegreen Dec 2016 #38
I'm not much into armchair diagnoses on mental or physical condition, but I have to admit that Arkansas Granny Dec 2016 #7
Syphilitic insanity mackdaddy Dec 2016 #13
How else would we expect him to act??? loyalsister Dec 2016 #18
I just think he is & always has been a lying scumbag. Earth Bound Misfit Dec 2016 #19
If he refuses to attend security briefings, we are going to be inundated with these twitter feeds Baitball Blogger Dec 2016 #20
I didn't have the patience to sit through school when I was a kid. Binkie The Clown Dec 2016 #22
He's incapable of doing anything other than thinking in the moment. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2016 #23
No he's a grifter/ conman ... they always have difficulty separating fact from lies they have told etherealtruth Dec 2016 #24
He's as crazy as a russian fox. boston bean Dec 2016 #27
He's out of his league! He doesn't want all of the sh** that goes with being president. He did it RKP5637 Dec 2016 #28
While it is television fiction, I think the new... 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #34
Cocaine is a hell of a drug... n/t backscatter712 Dec 2016 #36
Trump and Pence are meat puppets, as Reagan was. hunter Dec 2016 #37

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,982 posts)
1. According to several biographers he's always been that way.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 12:48 PM
Dec 2016

So I don't think it's Alzheimers. He might be just a narcissistic asshole who has a short attention span when the topic under discussion isn't himself.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
6. Actually, while that may be true, it doesn't account for how different he is in various ways.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 12:51 PM
Dec 2016

Research some old footage of the man talking and compare them to today. His cognition is diminished to a noteworthy degree.

3catwoman3

(24,117 posts)
31. I agree with you. In some of...
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 02:38 PM
Dec 2016

...the interviews with him many years ago, even his voice and speaking style are different. He used to be less brash, more soft-spoken, and sounded less harsh. Even his pronunciation is different.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
21. He has never had to do anything he didn't want to do.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 01:34 PM
Dec 2016

Or hasn't in many decades. It may or may not be dementia that we see, but I suspect he just never was bright, or that whatever smarts he had quickly atrophied.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
3. As a former dementia care provider, this has been obvious to me since the beginning.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 12:49 PM
Dec 2016

If he had not been symptomatic, he likely would never have insanely decided to run.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
8. Nope. He did it because he was pissed off at Obama's remarks at that dinner.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 12:53 PM
Dec 2016

It was not a serious campaign. Only Jeff Zucker made it one by using CNN to pimp for him 24/7 in a pursuit of ratings and ad revenue. There was NO "dementia," and I get very angry about this so-called explanation because it is ageist.


Trump has ALWAYS been this way. He has some of the same traits that Nixon had. Very vindictive, very vengeful.

He has undesirable personality traits that make him unfit. He is not a Ronald Reagan, who had a very real issue with Alzheimer's and no doubt it was exacerbated by his nearly being murdered.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
11. I was telling everyone about Reagan's obvious dementia too before people would accept the fact.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 01:01 PM
Dec 2016

people said it was agism, that he was always that way, that he was like Nixon, that he had undesirable personality traits, that the surgery impacted him, all sorts of denials. But, what was obvious turned out to be what was true, and I was right. Of course, no one came along later and said, "Wow, you were right on."

3catwoman3

(24,117 posts)
32. I'll say it now - You were right!
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 02:40 PM
Dec 2016

I thought so, too. The proverbial deer-on-the-headlights stunned facial expression when questions at press conferences veered off script was a big giveaway.

enough

(13,270 posts)
25. I'm old, and I don't think talking about the possibility of Alzheimer's is ageist.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 02:20 PM
Dec 2016

My elderly parents had two different kinds of dementia before they died. Alzheimer's is a very specific condition and has particular effects. Nothing wrong with thinking about that.

To my mind, the most telling evidence comes from listening to taped recordings of Trump speaking when he was considerably younger. He used to be able to talking in paragraphs and make a coherent point. He can't do that any more.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
35. Exactly, Trump once was able to speak coherently. Not any more.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 05:36 PM
Dec 2016

He also requires his minders to be around him now, a family member or close confidant.

Time to set up a tape system in the white House, to record his every word so he'll be able to find out what happened yesterday......

CountAllVotes

(20,882 posts)
30. That is the reason he tweets everything he has to say
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 02:37 PM
Dec 2016

tRump is not capable of doing anything more that 140 characters. It is a struggle for him no doubt!

Narcissistic and demented at the same time.



 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
5. I really wish people would lay off the ageism.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 12:50 PM
Dec 2016

70 would be extremely young to have it anyway.

Trump has ALWAYS been a jerk.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,982 posts)
12. There is such a thing as early-onset Alzheimers - about 5% of cases.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 01:06 PM
Dec 2016

It can even occur, although rarely, in people as young as 40. So it's not necessarily ageist to suggest someone might have it at age 70, which would not be extremely young for it. However, I'm more inclined toward the probability that he's just an asshole, like he's always been. Often a person's personality traits become more exaggerated as they get older, so it might be just that he's just turning into more of an asshole.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,982 posts)
17. True, but Fred was well into his 80s before he got it.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 01:22 PM
Dec 2016

Apparently Fred was an asshole his whole life, too.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
14. It isn't ageism to diagnose mental disorders.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 01:10 PM
Dec 2016
Is Trump Suffering From ALZHEIMER’S? Some Alarming Evidence (VIDEO)

Early-onset Alzheimer's: When symptoms begin before age 65

http://www.inquisitr.com/3048296/does-donald-trump-have-alzheimers-questions-about-gop-frontrunners-mental-fitness-arise/

According to the Alzheimer’s Association, if two or more “core mental functions” seem impaired, that individual should seek medical help in order to get screened for possible dementia. Core mental functions include memory, communication and langue, ability to focus and pay attention, reasoning and judgment, and visual perception. Symptoms of Alzheimer’s disease go beyond memory loss. People suffering from Alzheimer’s have difficulty remembering newly learned information, are often disoriented, have mood and behavioral changes, an increasing sense of paranoia and suspicion, and a deepening confusion about events, time, and places.

Trump’s language is often disjointed. During the first debate, in August 2015, Trump said, “We need brain in this country to turn it around.” Of course, Trump’s sentiment was obvious — that he believes the United States needs more intelligence in the government — but it was an odd way to say it. And although it’s easy to dismiss Trump as being dumb, he did actually graduate from the prestigious Wharton with a degree in economics. He may have been the same aggressive, abrasive man back then as he is today, but one has to presume he was capable of speaking in complete, grammatical sentences. .......
 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
15. He reminds me of my father
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 01:15 PM
Dec 2016

in the early stages of Alzheimer's. The disjointed thinking, paranoia and above all, no filters.

Arkansas Granny

(31,542 posts)
7. I'm not much into armchair diagnoses on mental or physical condition, but I have to admit that
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 12:51 PM
Dec 2016

his words and actions are erratic and unpredictable. I also wonder about his health. What color is he really under all that spray tan and hair color. He's overweight and his posture is bad, kind of hunched over. He doesn't look like a man in robust health, even for 70 yo.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
18. How else would we expect him to act???
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 01:32 PM
Dec 2016

He has never honestly worked a day in his life and considers himself to be highly successful.
He has a sense of entitlement and massive ego.

He's either believes he knows enough to skate through what may be one of the most difficult jobs in the world, again doing as little work as possible- or he's just not taking it seriously.

Nothing he has said or done should give anyone the impression that he has his head in preparing for the presidency.

It's not dementia. He thinks he knows everything and that he doesn't need to learn more.

Baitball Blogger

(46,777 posts)
20. If he refuses to attend security briefings, we are going to be inundated with these twitter feeds
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 01:34 PM
Dec 2016

that complain about not being told, not given sufficient information or the information was withheld from him.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
22. I didn't have the patience to sit through school when I was a kid.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 01:49 PM
Dec 2016

You know what they say: Those who don't learn from history and doomed to take it over in summer school.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,229 posts)
23. He's incapable of doing anything other than thinking in the moment.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 01:50 PM
Dec 2016

And how it helps him in the moment.

There's no regard for yesterday or tomorrow.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
28. He's out of his league! He doesn't want all of the sh** that goes with being president. He did it
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 02:33 PM
Dec 2016

for the sport of it, winning the game. Now he won, he would rather be someplace else. He likes building, doing real estate, all of that. Given the choice, frankly, I would rather do that. I just don't think he has the patience required and frankly, I don't think he likes the job in the least.

I also don't think he'll make it four years, he'll resign. IMO he was totally shocked when he won. Given all of that, I think he has some serious mental issues, but I'm not so sure dementia is one of them.



3catwoman3

(24,117 posts)
34. While it is television fiction, I think the new...
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 02:48 PM
Dec 2016

...ABC drama series, Designated Survivor, probably gives at least a semi-fair look at the relentless onslaught of decisions a president must make on a minute-to-minute basis.

I'll bet DFT (Donald Fucking Trump) wouldn't have the attention span to sit thru a single 1 hour episode.

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