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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIdentity politics is a right-wing slur for civil rights
IMHO, no one on the left should use that term except to point out that it's been co-opted by the rightwing and various liberal critics.
I guess the term has been around for a while, but now it's a pejorative. Is there a problem with using good old fashioned "civil rights"???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics
Now enjoy this Samantha Bee segment that inspired me:
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)who don't yet have them.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)And your other posts (with the single exception of the one Bernie dig) in this string.
It amazes me that on DU there are people who don't accept that some folks deserve more because the are starting behind.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)much like hillary did poorly with youth.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Btw, he didn't as much do poorly with people of color as Hillary did well. Her primary message was spot on.
JHan
(10,173 posts)since public policy has historically and continues to affect some groups to the benefit or detriment of others. Pointing this out is something no Liberal should be afraid to do, we should embrace it..
The constitution was originally conceived to benefit white men alone - white identity is central to almost every public policy decision and the response to changes in cultural norms and values throughout our history. As a result, the Civil Rights Movement challenged this white privilege by emphasizing how State Power impacted blacks disproportionately ( because of Identity) and Civil Rights mushroomed into an umbrella for all groups :- women, "native-americans", homosexuals etc etc.
Political fights arent won with universal principled arguments alone, and pretending that they are is often a mask for the identity politics of the staatsvolk. As citizens of a liberal state trying to preserve it, we need to be able to hear each other talking about particularized injustices, and to cheer each other on when we seek to overturn them. Members of disadvantaged minorities standing up for themselves arent to blame for the turn to populist authoritarianism; and their energy and commitment is a resource that free societies cant do without in resisting it.
https://niskanencenter.org/blog/defense-liberty-cant-without-identity-politics/
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Like "entitlements" for example
JHan
(10,173 posts)For instance, the effects of Reagan's negative welfare narratives had a long sustained effect on our perception of all forms of entitlements, when it's a philosophical approach we shouldn't shy away from- it covers wages/ poverty, housing policy, healthcare. etc
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)ck4829
(35,076 posts)And unless we go our own way on this and define them in our favor, we can see this happen to even more issues.
"Identity politics" is one example, "political correctness" is another, it's becoming a strawman for the right to use against anyone and anything they don't agree with, including climate science and getting called out on pushing obviously fake news.
ymetca
(1,182 posts)I would say that ALL politics is identity politics, by design. The concept of the nation/state itself is pretty much an Us vs. Them mass delusion.
Eventually it devolves into one scoundrel or another invoking the old "what's good for the nation" trope as an excuse for oppressing one minority group or another. It's how we got into the pickle of believing those so-called "inalienable" rights were somehow bequeathed to us by our "founding fathers".
Baitball Blogger
(46,706 posts)For example, "Make America great again" is a dog whistle.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)used the term, and, please, he is NO Right Winger!..You may not like him, but he is decidedly NOT Right Wing, and I honestly
think he wants the best for EVERYONE in this country, and even the world...Everyone makes mistakes, sometimes.
Have you ever heard of Todd Gitlin?...He's an author and a progressive of undeipsuted credentials, and he said the same thing way
back int the early nineties -=- No one, not Bernie or Gitlin wants to eradicate our focus on social justice, they simply want to include
more economic justice issues which would help ALL of us, Black, White, Latino, LGBT, male, female, everyone. That's how I see it.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)and if he now wants to, he should try to develop a language that is not alienating to us.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:41 PM - Edit history (1)
and, from what I saw, he did quite well.
I don't think one word makes an entire "language', and I think those who would judge him so harshly on the basis of it, are neither seeing or appreciating the real man, and I'd say a number of his
black supporters seem to agree.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)than young whites.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)with his "language" and more to do with other aspects of the campaign.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)if he continues this careless language issue. it doesn't matter if all he wants to do is be a senator from VT, but if he wants more D leadership type roles, it will matter.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)continues this careless language issue".
This 'careless language issue' consists of one word?
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)and his inability to be able to tell civil rights coalitions apart from tokenism.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)I don't know what you mean. Could you give me an example?
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La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)man has no experience with any of the above.
jalan48
(13,865 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)not "vote for me because I have a track record of working on issues that are unique to your community."
Sadly, the first version is all we often get from politicians.
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)when they hear the term 'identity politics.'
Others rightly call this tokenism. As many have pointed out, I wouldn't call it a feminist victory if Sarah Palin had been elected. It's not enough to look like me, a politician has to fight for me in order to win my vote.
There was discussion of the disappointment older women felt when a lot of younger women supported Bernie in the primary. Some of the talk did take the tone of demanding that young women HAD to vote for Hillary because she's a woman. That doesn't create good results, and might be what people are reacting to when they are negative about 'identity politics.'
DemocraticSocialist8
(396 posts)The Southern Strategy was identity politics too. Don't forget about that.
betsuni
(25,519 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Now is NOT the time to abandon "identity politics."
Indeed, it is my firm conviction that we lost in part because we abandoned "identity politics" during the general election in favor of seeking out issues (mostly AN issue) with more universal appeal. You will pardon me if I now abandon the term "identity politics" and replace it the general statement of principle that our "politics" should be publicly and unashamedly fighting for the oppressed and against their oppressors AND having the courage to say that both exist.
Unfortunately, this fight is hampered by the refusal in some quarters to acknowledge the oppressed, or, for that matter, the oppressors. It is hampered also by the fallacious belief in some quarters that political victory can only be achieved with the aid of the oppressors.
Because the acrimony here on DU (and for you "DU isn't the real world"-ers, even in the "real world" contest for DNC chair) appear tied to the definitions of "oppressed" and "oppressors," there might be the place to start. Hopefully, we can all agree that the descendants of slaves and those who look like them are members of the "oppressed" without having to go through a long discussion of 400+ years of American (in particular Southern Plantation) slavery and its pernicious effects. Hopefully, we can agree that Spanish-speaking immigrants and non-citizen residents (both documented and undocumented) are also among the "oppressed." Hopefully, we can agree that women are among the "oppressed." Particularly in this day and age, one would hope that we can agree that adherents to the tenets of Islam are among the "oppressed." We should also all be able to agree that those who are unable to provide their families with the necessities of life AND hope for a better future are among the "oppressed." Finally, we should all be able to agree that people whose sexual identity and/or sexual orientation do not align with the dominant religious ideology are "oppressed." Obviously this list is not exhaustive, but I offer it to demonstrate the breadth of those who would be our natural constituency under an "oppressed vs. oppressors" (f/k/a "identity politics" political ideology.
Of course, if we ran on such an ideology, there would also be people who would vote with us who are not oppressed, but place the needs of the oppressed over their own desire for further privileges.
Who, then, are the oppressors? Basically, they are everyone else. They are the .1%, the holders of the overwhelming majority of the nation's capital. An infinitely small group made even smaller by subtracting out those among them place the needs of the oppressed over their own. They are the people whose dominant social objective is to harm the weak. Hopefully another small group. They are the people who place their own further privilege above the needs of the oppressed. Again, to consciously say "I choose for the oppressed to suffer so that I may have more than my already-satisfying life gives me" requires a level of psychopathology that this group also has to be somewhat limited. Finally, there is a group that exists amid the REALITY, whether they believe it so or not, that their vote does not personally harm them, but believe that it does. They are people who actually have little to gain or lose from voting against the interests of our natural constituency, but have been convinced that they do. That is a large group.
Those are the battle lines in the political ideology of "oppressed vs oppressor." Those of us who truly believe in that ideology (i.e., who truly believe in "identity politics" , and I count myself and those other DU members who have espoused "identity politics" among them, believe that there are more people on our side of those battle lines than their are on "theirs" If we are correct, we should be able to go to the oppressed with policies that favor them WITH NO REGARD WHATSOEVER FOR THE OPPRESSORS and say, "We are here for you and no one else," and, because we are the many, drive the kind of turnout that leaves the oppressors' concerns unimportant. We will not say "All lives matter," or "Blue lives matter," We will say "YOUR lives matter." We will not say "Low taxes matter," or "Limiting the size of government matters," or "small businesses matter" We will say "YOUR lives matter."
To those who bemoan the loss of the American ideal of a unified people, the ideal President Obama described with such grace and eloquence, it died on November 8, 2016.
Unless we have a plan for convincing last large group of oppressors I described above that they aren't hurt by equality, by social justice, and by economic justice, and can do that in the next two years when we haven't been able to do it in the last 25 years (and god knows I would love to hear it instead of the watching incessant turf war for the soul of this party),
It is now us, or it is them.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)"identity politics" are useful.
I just found this interview that is relevant, about the racism that peaked after Obama's election:
http://www.vox.com/identities/2016/12/12/13894546/obama-race-black-white-house-cornell-belcher-racism
This part is disturbing:
What my research has shown and other research has shown is that people become more conservative or nationalistic with the increases in diversity I think thats exactly what my research has picked up on in the electorate, going back to the beginning of Obamas presidency.
In battleground states, particularly more diverse states, the percentage of white people voting Democrat decreases significantly as that population gets more diverse. So diversity is having an opposite impact that is harmful to Democrats.
Thats why I argue to Democrats that you are going to lose more and more white votes, and unless there is a major party realignment, this is going to continue to be a phenomenon. As the Republican Party is seen more and more as the racial identification party for white people, youre not gonna see us all of a sudden winning blue-collar white voters.
This is a tough issue, and the interview is important in entirety. I don't know where this is going, but it doesn't seem good.
David__77
(23,396 posts)What could one call the viewpoint that those who are not members of a specific group are totally unqualified to speak to the conditions of said group?
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)or define?
David__77
(23,396 posts)I don't think that affirming one's view point means invalidating the viewpoint of another necessarily. I don't think that one must only listen; that said, I do think listening is important.