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oldtime dfl_er

(6,931 posts)
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:03 PM Dec 2016

What does Putin want?

I think Putin wants the United States to literally come apart. He would love nothing more than what happened to his country when it broke apart. He would love to see Calexit happen, etc. I'm not saying I'm opposed to Calexit, I actually think it's a damn good idea (I'm in Washington state and would be in favor of a Washington/Oregon exit as well). I'm saying that a divided America is what he wants, and at the moment it is what we have.

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Orsino

(37,428 posts)
1. A weaker USA that can't effectively oppose his designs on Europe/Asia...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:08 PM
Dec 2016

...but one friendly enough to continue to check Gina.

Coventina

(27,223 posts)
3. He wants the USSR back, but not in any ideological sense. Just a thirst for power.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:09 PM
Dec 2016

To that end, he needs to weaken both the US and China, and by weakening us first, China naturally follows, since their economy is dependent on ours.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
4. He wants to put the band back together.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:11 PM
Dec 2016

With a weakened America, the USSR will be on their reunion tour and we won't be able to stop them.

Tikki

(14,560 posts)
5. They hate us for our freedoms Y/N?
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:29 PM
Dec 2016

Can we ever, ever talk about what we stand for to the rest of the World.


Tikki

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
7. He desperately wants NATO gone and the Baltic states back as well as a fearful Western Europe.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:34 PM
Dec 2016

Putin also wants the end of sanctions to continue to enrich himself and to keep the oligarch's from becoming disgruntled and getting ideas with regards to a coup. He sees Trump as merely his useful idiot. Every American should feel embarrassed.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
9. It is all about whom controls the
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:43 PM
Dec 2016

Earth's Resources. Years ago,there was a story about how the Earth's Resources had been mapped and there amounts determined. The Wonders of having a Space Laboratory . Russia wants Control of the recent uncovered area of the Arctic and if you doubt,well,we have been increasing our Military Presents in Alaska for the four or five years. Sure as hell wasn't a Chinese Threat.

Know we see a different take on the New World Order,our Republican Corporatism Party has thrown in with Putin and his Oligarchs to create a Natural Resource Alliance in order to Control China via Financial and Resource controls.

That's my take.

We will be the Worlds Police Department in order to protect Exxon's and Roseneff's interests.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
10. The Soviet Bloc, A neutered NATO, a client-state USA w/Republicans in control
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:46 PM
Dec 2016

of our internal government while he controls them via kompromat.

China gets Asia.

And the excuse Republicans and Putin use is that they are fighting for white Christians against brown Muslims.

Even China can use that angle in a few territories.

In this scenario, I don't know what Australia or NZ does. They may be the equivalent of the USA in the 1940's.

Justice

(7,188 posts)
12. Money and Power - Oil, Natural Gas, Shale, Reunification of USSR
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:51 PM
Dec 2016

Russian government's oil company, Rosneft (with Putin leading) and Exxon (with Rex Tillerson leading) made $500 BILLION oil exploration partnership in 2011. Projects in Russia (Siberia), the US (Gulf of Mexico), the Arctic and elsewhere to explore and produce.
They also have technology and staff exchanges

Obama administration's sanctions against Russia for its aggressive annexation of Ukraine's Crimean peninsula and because Russian shot down plane have cost Exxon big money.

Russia has deals with BP, Shell, Chevron, Eni (Italy), Total (France), Statoil (Norway), PSVSA (Venezuela), Petrobras (Brazil) and plenty of others. BP owns about 20% percent of Rosneft. Rosneft owns about 20% in 20 Exxon prospects in Gulf of Mexico.

MineralMan

(146,345 posts)
14. He wants the US to leave him alone to pursue his
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:59 PM
Dec 2016

international goals. He wants to retake control over former Soviet republics. He wants to get control over Middle East oil. He wants a lot of things. So, he wants the US to let him do what he needs to do to get what he wants.

Donald Trump won't put roadblocks in his way, for whatever reason. Maybe it's blackmail. Maybe it's threats. Maybe it's a financial thing over Trump. Maybe it's just Trump's sheer stupidity and lack of concern. So, Putin wants Trump in the White House so Putin can do whatever Putin wants to do.

It's really simple.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
15. Higher oil prices, hegemony in Eastern Europe, Consolidation of Ukraine
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:19 PM
Dec 2016

The US is not really a factor in any of that, other than to the extent needed to weaken NATO so that Russia can use energy supply to Western Europe as a weapon.
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