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A HERETIC I AM

(24,380 posts)
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 08:59 PM Dec 2016

Some of you may have seen the video of the fuel tanker crash in Baltimore. Allow me to say this;

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You may have seen this video of the multi-car pile-up on I95 in Baltimore last night, a stretch of road I have driven tractor trailers over dozens of times over my career. The video has apparently gone viral. Here's my perspective as an Over-the-road trucker for almost 30 years;

That tanker driver was indeed killed, and he gave his life to save perhaps dozens of others involved in the ongoing accident scene.

It's apparent from the video that an icy road condition was extant and a situation where vehicle after vehicle was crashing into an essentially blocked road. If you have never been in such a situation, allow me to give you an idea of what went through that tanker drivers mind in the seconds before the crash....

He rounds a bend doing at or near the speed limit on a road that he thought still offered grip to his tires should he need it. He knew it was cold, but roadways take much longer than the ground next to the road to freeze because they are;
1) black in color typically and retain heat from the day , and
b) the fact that cars and trucks drive over it constantly can contribute to lessening icy conditions, not to mention the assumption that salt trucks would have passed already.

He rounds the curve and sees the road is completely blocked with crashed cars. He gets on the brakes only to find nothing. Squat. nada. Bupkiss.

He has two choices; Drive straight into the crashed cars, possibly (likely) killing a bunch of people or try and use the barrier to his left to stop the truck. Since the rotation of his tires means he is likely to climb the barrier no matter what he does, he takes the choice anyway, KNOWING IT COULD VERY POSSIBLY result in his truck being destroyed and a fireball being produced.

That's the choice he made. Trust me when I say this - running straight into a pile of cars would have been a safer alternative for him because they would crush and slow his truck down in a more predictable way. But there were people there, climbing out of their own recently crashed cars and trucks.

That tanker driver gave his life to save others. That's a fucking hero, any way you want to look at it.

The Police in this country constantly remind us of this MYTH that they do an extremely dangerous job, but every single list of the most dangerous jobs has ME as a trucker looking DOWN THE LIST 4 or 5 spots to find "Law Enforcement Officer".

There is no "Trucker Down" website memorializing drivers who did the same thing this guy did, day in and day out. There are no highway overpasses or stretches of interstate named after the doubles driver who put his rig into the woods to save the lives of the mom who wasn't paying attention while driving the minivan full of kids . There are no big parades of thousands of truckers when one of them uses years of skill to avoid killing a score of folks stranded in a white-out situation.

Roughly 4 million men and women are OTR drivers in this country and they make your life possible. That guy was simply on his way to deliver gas to a gas station. Doing his job.

And it killed him. May he go gently, and have following winds.



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Some of you may have seen the video of the fuel tanker crash in Baltimore. Allow me to say this; (Original Post) A HERETIC I AM Dec 2016 OP
Thank you for this post Nwgirl503 Dec 2016 #1
My son just started driving trucks nini Dec 2016 #2
Far too many people believe a fully loaded truck can stop on a dime. ... spin Dec 2016 #3
I live near the L.A. Harbor nini Dec 2016 #7
I can't tell you how many times a truck has pulled out in front of me in the fast lane while I was Horse with no Name Dec 2016 #61
There is a shortage of truck drivers today. Some companies have lowered ... spin Dec 2016 #70
I never realized what an asshole driver I was around big trucks until I started driving them. Skeeter Barnes Dec 2016 #5
That's exactly what my son said LOL nini Dec 2016 #6
Trucking made me a better driver in my personal vehicle and I bet it will do the same for him. Skeeter Barnes Dec 2016 #11
Will do nini Dec 2016 #15
I've always been very careful and respectful Abq_Sarah Dec 2016 #38
I hear you Skittles Dec 2016 #62
Tears. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #4
KnR Hekate Dec 2016 #8
Thanks for the post. mountain grammy Dec 2016 #9
A selfless hero AJT Dec 2016 #10
Buses too! Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #12
What an amazing post malaise Dec 2016 #13
KnR paleotn Dec 2016 #14
That driver was a hero. denbot Dec 2016 #16
Confirmed that the driver did die in the crash. Hong Kong Cavalier Dec 2016 #17
Yeah....looked pretty unsurvivable to me. A HERETIC I AM Dec 2016 #19
re-engineer those barriers! LittleGirl Dec 2016 #45
Agreed. Our infrastructure needs much work. My fear though is the repugs will . . . brush Dec 2016 #51
spot on with that ! eom LittleGirl Dec 2016 #52
. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #54
Thank you. cry baby Dec 2016 #18
My uncle died in an accident like that in 82. we can do it Dec 2016 #20
I'm very sorry for your loss, oh those many years ago. n/t A HERETIC I AM Dec 2016 #57
Thank you. we can do it Dec 2016 #63
Thanks for this post. emmadoggy Dec 2016 #21
There's an old adage; A HERETIC I AM Dec 2016 #23
Leave yourself an out... teamster633 Dec 2016 #35
That applies to passenger vehicles as well Abq_Sarah Dec 2016 #39
Safe journey to him. okasha Dec 2016 #22
Thank you for the touching post. Kittycow Dec 2016 #24
Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends. Ilsa Dec 2016 #25
Lived in Alaska most of my life Drahthaardogs Dec 2016 #26
Unfortunately, situations like this can come up on you very suddenly. A HERETIC I AM Dec 2016 #29
Thanks SCantiGOP Dec 2016 #27
Thank you... The_Voice_of_Reason Dec 2016 #28
Powerful post. Thank you for an important perspective. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2016 #30
Hero. Agreed. flvegan Dec 2016 #31
Overpass style higheay bpj62 Dec 2016 #32
K&R es466 Dec 2016 #33
... spanone Dec 2016 #34
At the mercy of idiots. JayhawkSD Dec 2016 #36
What happened to the driver? shireen Dec 2016 #58
He was killed. A HERETIC I AM Dec 2016 #67
I suspect you were asking about the driver of the truck... JayhawkSD Dec 2016 #71
Not all flatbed trailer have such a bulkhead these days..... A HERETIC I AM Dec 2016 #72
Last drove about fifty years ago. Not up to date. nt JayhawkSD Dec 2016 #73
thank you for that perspective shireen Dec 2016 #37
"What can be done to keep overpasses safer during icy conditions?" A HERETIC I AM Dec 2016 #41
We get a lot of black ice out west Warpy Dec 2016 #42
This is my worst nightmare TrogL Dec 2016 #40
tears. just tears eom LittleGirl Dec 2016 #43
we need better roads, routes built for trucks. instant warnings when roads blocked. Sunlei Dec 2016 #44
I had two grandfather's who were truckers. littlemissmartypants Dec 2016 #46
What an incredibly kind sentiment A HERETIC I AM Dec 2016 #49
Lately it occurs to me voteearlyvoteoften Dec 2016 #47
thanks for this Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #48
Outstanding post. Thanks for sharing a perspective with which ... 11 Bravo Dec 2016 #50
I had not Delphinus Dec 2016 #53
Thank you for that enlightening post! denvine Dec 2016 #55
Tears....thank you Heretic, you're opening my eyes to much I never knew. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2016 #56
Wife of a Worried senior Dec 2016 #59
Thank you so much democrank Dec 2016 #60
Yes. Thank you very much for this post. I was just thinking about how being a member Upthevibe Dec 2016 #64
Wow. Thank-you. Chemisse Dec 2016 #65
very sad. yes he thought if others JI7 Dec 2016 #66
Truckers are like any other folks. ArchTeryx Dec 2016 #68
Most everything that everyone has was transported on a truck IronLionZion Dec 2016 #69
He was going way to fast period snooper2 Dec 2016 #74
Thanks for that enlightened response. A HERETIC I AM Dec 2016 #75
no but a trunk driver should know road conditions- Also he did hit a car and that person died snooper2 Dec 2016 #76
As I said in my OP... A HERETIC I AM Dec 2016 #77
I guess, lots of people fuck up on ice- I actually plan to record on some of the overpasses snooper2 Dec 2016 #78
I think it should be a regulation that large trucks stop when roads ice over. forgotmylogin Dec 2016 #79

nini

(16,672 posts)
2. My son just started driving trucks
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:14 PM
Dec 2016

He is amazed at the people who will cut him off like it's nothing. You guys do have to be so careful and even then you're at the mercy of the idiots around you.

That driver in the video is indeed a hero.

spin

(17,493 posts)
3. Far too many people believe a fully loaded truck can stop on a dime. ...
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:21 PM
Dec 2016

I tend to be very respectful of trucks and considerate to those who drive them.

nini

(16,672 posts)
7. I live near the L.A. Harbor
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:51 PM
Dec 2016

TONS of trucks on my way to work and every stinking day someone will cut off a truck as we're going to a red light on Terminal Island. The truck is slowing down to stop and some yahoo will cut him off to take his space and stop in front of him.

Darwin is at work with those types.

Horse with no Name

(33,958 posts)
61. I can't tell you how many times a truck has pulled out in front of me in the fast lane while I was
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:10 PM
Dec 2016

going 75 and I had to slam on my brakes to a screeching stop.
This goes both ways.
I drive about 2000 miles a week--I see this very frequently.

spin

(17,493 posts)
70. There is a shortage of truck drivers today. Some companies have lowered ...
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 01:56 AM
Dec 2016

their standards according to my son in law who has been a truck driver for over two decades.

nini

(16,672 posts)
6. That's exactly what my son said LOL
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:49 PM
Dec 2016

Maybe part of getting a drivers license includes driving with a truck driver in a big rig to see for yourself how tough it is to stop them etc..

Skeeter Barnes

(994 posts)
11. Trucking made me a better driver in my personal vehicle and I bet it will do the same for him.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:59 PM
Dec 2016

Tell him to always check his tires before heading out, keep a safe following distance and if something doesn't feel right, slow down.

nini

(16,672 posts)
15. Will do
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 10:23 PM
Dec 2016

He's been doing this about 6 months now and loves the cross country runs. Though he stays more to the south now because of snow

thanks

Abq_Sarah

(2,883 posts)
38. I've always been very careful and respectful
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 03:38 AM
Dec 2016

My dad's job required that he travel extensively around the pacific northwest when I was young. When I reached driving age, he made damned sure I knew how to properly drive on the highways before I was allowed to get a license. Several times a year, I drive I-40 between NM and Tennessee and I can always tell the people whose only experience is driving from one exit to the next.

Skittles

(153,258 posts)
62. I hear you
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 03:08 PM
Dec 2016

I stay as far away from the big rigs as I can, and am constantly amazed at the risks the tiniest cars will take around them

Dustlawyer

(10,499 posts)
12. Buses too!
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 10:02 PM
Dec 2016

I bought a bus to use during the BP oil spill. I couldn't wait to sell it. Driving something big and heavy around little economy cars that zip in front and slow to try to move over another lane while assuming you are going to stop. Or the ones who want to keep you from changing lanes. Too many close calls.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,380 posts)
19. Yeah....looked pretty unsurvivable to me.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 10:48 PM
Dec 2016

Fuel tanker drivers haul bombs. Big, giant, flammable bombs, but without them the country would grind to a halt.

A firm I used to work at had its own shop and one of the mechanics was a former fuel tanker. He told me of a trip where he had left "the rack" after loading with a good friend of his, both delivering to stations very close to each other in a town 100 miles or so away. As they left the port where the rack was and headed for the freeway, he missed a green light that his buddy made, putting that guy 3 minutes ahead of the mechanic.

20 minutes later he sees a fireball in the distance. It was his friend, who had swerved to miss a car entering an on-ramp and that car driver just wasn't paying attention to what was around him.

The man burned to death. That was the last day my acquaintance ever drove a fuel tanker.

I hauled cars on open-rack transports for 10 years and am solidly of the opinion that car haul is one of the, if not the most dangerous trucking discipline, as there are so many ways to hurt and or kill yourself on an open rack auto transport truck. But hauling motor fuels?

At least if I rolled a car hauler, the cars weren't likely to explode.


I'm going to edit my OP based on your post. Thanks.

My condolences to that drivers family and to all that were hurt or killed in that terrible crash.

LittleGirl

(8,292 posts)
45. re-engineer those barriers!
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 07:10 AM
Dec 2016

They really should re-engineer those barriers so that a tanker like that hits a high enough wall that it doesn't tip and rights itself. There is no reason for that tanker to crash over that barrier and fall below! This is why we need a huge infrastructure bill to fix these issues. damn it all. ugh.

brush

(53,958 posts)
51. Agreed. Our infrastructure needs much work. My fear though is the repugs will . . .
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 11:21 AM
Dec 2016

finally approved infrastructure funds now that they have a repug president.

With all the jobs that will create the economy will boom, everyone will think trump is brilliant and that will get him for another term.

God, we're screwed. We need the structural improvements but we don't need a lionized fool being made a hero because the repugs obstructed all the improvement bills under Obama.

emmadoggy

(2,142 posts)
21. Thanks for this post.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:05 PM
Dec 2016

Horrifying video. My father was a farmer for many years, until the 80's farm crisis drove him out. He eventually ended up driving truck. He taught me to respect the trucks on the road and to always, always give them their space.

Several years ago, my husband and I were on the interstate following behind a truck. A car came past us and the truck in front and, as I've seen people do so often, they pulled back in RIGHT in front of the truck. In fact, they didn't even get past him and he ran into the back of their car. All my husband and I saw from the rear was a lot of sparks and lights. We stopped after the crash to check on everyone (we were terrified that we were going to see some awful stuff) and to give the police our report. It was a car with 3 or 4 teenagers. One of them was in the back seat and after seeing the car, I can't believe he wasn't killed or seriously hurt. The entire back end of the car was smashed in. Thankfully, everyone was ok, but it was a scary-ass thing to see.

This video reminds me a bit of the horrifying video from a pile up in (I think) Wyoming a few years ago during snowy weather. Truck after truck and car after car smashing and piling up - all caught on video.

May this truck driver rest in peace.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,380 posts)
23. There's an old adage;
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:07 PM
Dec 2016

If there's a space between a truck and the car in front of him, the trucker PUT THAT SPACE THERE.

Filling it and braking is a dangerous thing to do.

teamster633

(2,029 posts)
35. Leave yourself an out...
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:33 AM
Dec 2016

...have an escape route...take the path of least resistance
...space on all sides but always in front
...be prepared...expect the unexpected

Abq_Sarah

(2,883 posts)
39. That applies to passenger vehicles as well
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 03:40 AM
Dec 2016

That safe space I leave isn't an invitation for you to cut in.

Ilsa

(61,709 posts)
25. Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:18 PM
Dec 2016

But I would amend this to: Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for strangers.

Tears, heartache, gratitude for such a hero. May heaven be the most joyful place for him.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,380 posts)
29. Unfortunately, situations like this can come up on you very suddenly.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:30 PM
Dec 2016

I absolutely guarantee you that if it had been icy a mile back or two, that driver and the rest of them would have been crawling when they got to that point. It does appear that it is a raised section of roadway - a viaduct or other bridge of some sort, so as you I'm sure are well aware, bridges freeze faster than road surfaces. He and the other drivers may have had perfectly good adhesion only a quarter mile back - there's no way to know.

Freezing rain is incredibly dangerous (again, I'm sure you know this) because it's water hitting your windshield, so you might not be aware the road is as slick as it can be.

A horrible situation, regardless of speed.

SCantiGOP

(13,874 posts)
27. Thanks
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:25 PM
Dec 2016

I know a lot of people in the trucking business. Accurate post and your heart is in the right place.

28. Thank you...
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:26 PM
Dec 2016

A well written piece that honors some unsung heroes. I have friends who are long haul truckers, and your article does them proud.

flvegan

(64,423 posts)
31. Hero. Agreed.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 01:11 AM
Dec 2016

Why is there no "Trucker Down" website? It's proper and well deserved. I lost an uncle in some sick fiery crash on an overpass who was driving a rig. I can remember sitting in that rig with him one time while he lined up the cab to the trailer and wondering what sort of witchcraft he used to do that.

Godspeed to the driver in this. I hate how little regard and respect these drivers get on the road on a daily basis. Had I a dime for every entry level badge driver/Camry driving idiot who I watched cut them off every day, I'd be a f'ing billionaire. And that's in sunny Florida.

bpj62

(999 posts)
32. Overpass style higheay
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:05 AM
Dec 2016

The area were the accident occurred is a part of 95 that is built over the existing roads below. It is quite possible that the driver of the rig as well as the others in the accident were unaware that they were essentially driving on a bridge and we all know that bridges freeze before the regular roads do. This storm was supposed to be snow first for that region but it was freezing rain the whole time. I have lived in the Washington area my entire life and i cannot remember an ice storm wreaking this kind of havoc with the highway system.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
36. At the mercy of idiots.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 03:01 AM
Dec 2016

I was the second in a line of about six trucks at night between Kansas City and St. Louis. Not terribly late, maybe 10 pm or so. A four wheeler was passing us and unnecessarily pulling into the right lane between trucks after passing each one, which is why I was paying close attention to him after he passed the leading truck. He clipped the front of the truck and the trucker swerved to avoid wrecking the car entirely, went off the freeway and down a very long bank. His load of steel pipe went through the cab when he hit the bottom. I was within a few feet of the cab on my way to help before I realized that.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
71. I suspect you were asking about the driver of the truck...
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 02:16 AM
Dec 2016

...in the event I described. When a load of steel pipe goes through the cab of the truck, it goes through the driver as well, killing him instantly. Today the trailer has a strong bulkhead to prevent that, but back then many did not.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,380 posts)
72. Not all flatbed trailer have such a bulkhead these days.....
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 07:58 AM
Dec 2016

Trailers like this are not uncommon at all and in fact are used regularly for loads that exceed 53'


What many companies and owner operators that haul flatbeds like that do install is what's known as a "Headache Rack" mounted behind the tractor cab like this;



Many have facilities to hang load chains and binders as well as storage boxes for tools, etc.

(Not sure f you're a driver, but if so I don't mean to tell you what you probably already know)

shireen

(8,333 posts)
37. thank you for that perspective
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 03:02 AM
Dec 2016

I live in Baltimore, and am heartbroken about it. Such a horrific tragedy

As of mid-day, I had not heard much details about the incident since it was still under investigation. So, I did not know there were cars blocking the road ahead of him.

The video showed a few other tractor trailers that seemed to drive through the smoke, and no doubt crashed into those cars.

The original video on facebook was a bit longer than the youtube version. But it was taken down a few hours ago by the nurse who posted it.

What can be done to keep overpasses safer during icy conditions?

A HERETIC I AM

(24,380 posts)
41. "What can be done to keep overpasses safer during icy conditions?"
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 03:51 AM
Dec 2016

Outside of heating the road surface in some fashion, not much. I would venture that the Maryland DOT or similar was aware of the situation and it wouldn't surprise me if salt trucks were on the way, but that is little comfort to those already involved.

Weather related multi-car pileups happen all the time, from foggy conditions to white-out to even sand and dust storms.

There is no silver bullet, unfortunately. Lighted signs warning of freezing conditions might help, as well as more use of lighted, changeable speed limit signs that exist in many areas already, the NJ Turnpike being one roadway that has had those for decades. If that tanker driver had more warning, say a mile or two before that he needed to be doing 30 MPH (instead of the 55 MPH normal speed limit) and there were freezing conditions ahead, it would certainly have helped.

But alas, we are not there yet.

Warpy

(111,410 posts)
42. We get a lot of black ice out west
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 04:39 AM
Dec 2016

A dry desert snowfall turns immediately to ice when it sticks to the road and anything drives over it. It might look like snow, it might even look like wet road, but it is ice. You can ease up on the clutch if you have one, but those brakes won't work.

I don't know of anything that could make a difference, not even flashing signs saying "black ice, speed limit 20." I know I hug the right lane in second gear as yahoos in 4WD cars blow past me doing nearly the speed limit. I invariably pass them within a mile or two, cars mushed into guardrails and the drivers who just gave me the finger standing in the road on their cellphones, calling for the hook.

The truck driver in your OP was a hero. I hope for his family's sake that there is some recognition of that.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
44. we need better roads, routes built for trucks. instant warnings when roads blocked.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 07:07 AM
Dec 2016

probably lower speed limits when there's a freeze? until our road system is modernized.

littlemissmartypants

(22,841 posts)
46. I had two grandfather's who were truckers.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 08:15 AM
Dec 2016

You are absolutely right. We don't appreciate you guys enough.

I'm balling my eyes out.

He truly sacrificed his life. Noble death, straight to heaven.

Be careful, as I know you are. My grand dads were and made me feel loved. Know that you are loved too. Thank you, A HERETIC I AM.

I hope you have a Merry Christmas.

11 Bravo

(23,928 posts)
50. Outstanding post. Thanks for sharing a perspective with which ...
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 10:56 AM
Dec 2016

virtually all of us are unfamiliar.
May the trucker Rest in Peace, and may his family take solace from that knowledge.

Delphinus

(11,845 posts)
53. I had not
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 12:40 PM
Dec 2016

seen or known about this - but am so very grateful I read your post. You honored him well - thank you.

And thank you for telling us about something we might have little knowledge of - truckers and dangerous jobs. Bless you and all who do this job.

Upthevibe

(8,092 posts)
64. Yes. Thank you very much for this post. I was just thinking about how being a member
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 03:33 PM
Dec 2016

Of DU affords us so many perspectives. It's posts like yours that causes me to think about something In a way I would never have otherwise. Thank you again.

Chemisse

(30,820 posts)
65. Wow. Thank-you.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 03:56 PM
Dec 2016

I never would have thought of that.

I hope his family knows that he was a hero. And I hope the people whose lives he saved realize what he did.

ArchTeryx

(221 posts)
68. Truckers are like any other folks.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 05:20 PM
Dec 2016

I've known truckers who were raging assholes, but they are a small minority and give the rest of them a bad name. Most are just like this driver. They used to be known as the "Knights of the Road" for a reason, and way, way before there was an Internet and cell phones, there was the CB network. Most of the fatalities in accidents with trucks are because drivers are overworked to the bone by their employers, not because of their own ego.

He gave his life to save others in a lethal situation. I've been on the road for 30 years, but nothing freezes my blood colder then black-ice conditions. There is where you get giant pileups, and people are nearly always killed.

He should AT THE LEAST be given a posthumous civilian award for heroism and his next-of-kin properly taken care of.

IronLionZion

(45,601 posts)
69. Most everything that everyone has was transported on a truck
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 07:44 PM
Dec 2016

Lots of respect for truckers.

Actually they taught us this in high school as part of our highway safety/drivers ed classes. They even had visuals showing what truckers can see based on where cars are driving in their blind spots and how the runaway truck sandpiles work and lots of other situations like rollover on turns and how it takes longer for truckers to stop.

And they did show us several true stories of truckers giving their own lives to save others.

Truckers move America forward

A HERETIC I AM

(24,380 posts)
75. Thanks for that enlightened response.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:51 PM
Dec 2016

I trust you are also a tanker driver that immediately preceded or followed him on that same roadway.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
76. no but a trunk driver should know road conditions- Also he did hit a car and that person died
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 01:00 PM
Dec 2016

Usually truck drivers are the some of the safest on the road especially in bad conditions.

I was actually stuck for hours during an Ice storm in Texas coming back from Galveston. Made it out by driving on the fresh ice/snow in the median and letting air pressure down in the front tires in the middle of the night. Found this video from same road/storm....


Be wary of Swift drivers by the way- (They are the trucking exception to the rule)

A HERETIC I AM

(24,380 posts)
77. As I said in my OP...
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 01:06 PM
Dec 2016

The driver, like EVERYONE else involved in the accident had up until the point of reaching that viaduct, decent grip on the roadway. One can not always anticipate where and when ice will form. I'll grant you that his speed was a factor, because of course if he was doing 20 mph the incident would not have occurred, but that is making the assumption that the entire roadway from several miles back was demanding such a speed.


But...what the hell. My OP was wrong headed, my assumptions were inaccurate and the guy fucked up.

Better?

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
78. I guess, lots of people fuck up on ice- I actually plan to record on some of the overpasses
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 01:12 PM
Dec 2016

Next ice storm we have here in DFW....

I follow a few YouTubers who record icy conditions. Dan Robinson is a pretty good channel for crash content. You can see the slow careful drivers, then every once in a while the idiot who fucks everything up.


#1 rule for driving on ice- Coasting is your friend. For some reason people have the need to have a foot on the gas or brake at all points in time with driving.



forgotmylogin

(7,539 posts)
79. I think it should be a regulation that large trucks stop when roads ice over.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 02:03 PM
Dec 2016

It should be a law that the drivers can't get punished or docked for being late because they didn't want to drive during dangerous conditions.

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