Free Cash in Finland. Must be Jobless. (NYtimes)

[Equinox Moon]

By PETER S. GOODMAN -- DEC. 17, 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/business/economy/universal-basic-income-finland.html?_r=0

Finland will soon hand out cash to 2,000 jobless people, free of bureaucracy or limits on side earnings. The idea, universal basic income, is gaining traction worldwide.

The government is eager to see what happens next.
The answers — to be determined over a two-year trial — could shape social welfare policy far beyond Nordic terrain. In communities around the world, officials are exploring basic income as a way to lessen the vulnerabilities of working people exposed to the vagaries of global trade and automation. While basic income is still an emerging idea, one far from being deployed on a large scale, the growing experimentation underscores the deep need to find effective means to alleviate the perils of globalization.

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The world will be watching and learning from you, Finland.

[1AM Coffee]

1. these Norse countries have gotten so bored that they're just chuckin wads of cash at hobos

And seeing what happens

[Equinox Moon]

2. Read the article

and educate yourself. Your comment reveals ignorance.

[malaise]

11. Pathetic

Have some coffee

[Tanuki]

17. Remarkably, someone actually alerted on this post! nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. 'jobless' does not mean 'hobo'

Yes, I really think you need to. It's not that it's different, it's that you don't understand the words used. If you read more of them, perhaps you will.

[Equinox Moon]

15. I think we have a troll on DU

[Maeve]

39. Not anymore eom

[kcr]

26. Oh, does it? Wow...

Hey, guys. Look. I think we've got one of those votes everyone's been talking about trying winning over, lately.

[kcr]

30. Don't quit your basement-post n/t

[AgadorSparticus]

19. That mentality is exactly what is wrong with this country.

[GP6971]

3. That's a pretty broad brush statement

do you have any links to support your statement?

[Equinox Moon]

23. He's a troll

[GP6971]

40. MIRT took them out

[Equinox Moon]

41. Good news, thanks!

Help me understand what all happened. What is "MIRT"? Is that a posting name? Did they flag the poster 1amcoffee? I see the first post in this thread is still there, however.

I was going to delete this thread it was messed up by that poster.

[DLevine]

42. Malicious Intruder Removal Team.

They nip trolls in the bud. Good riddance to that one.

[Equinox Moon]

44. Ooohhh. Okay.

They did good work in this case. They did miss the first post though, how does one contact MIRT?

[DLevine]

45. GP6971 is an MIRT volunteer, he/she would know about that. nt

[GP6971]

43. MIRT is

the Malicious Intruder Response Team. It's a number of DUers that volunteer to help maintain order by looking at new posters for inappropriate content, spam etc; basically any newbie under 100 posts looking to disrupt the site. In this case a member of MIRT alerted on their post and they discussed among themselves and reached a consensus that this one was just trolling the board so off they went.

[uppityperson]

4. Finland isn't Norse, and they aren't "chuckin wads of cash at hobos".

[uppityperson]

8. Your map shows Finland isn't Norse. Unemployed does not mean hobo.

"denotes area subject to frequent Viking raids but with little or no Scandinavian settlement", hence not Norse.

[uppityperson]

10. Once again you prove my point in that they aren't "chuckin wads of cash at hobos".

"Finland will soon hand out cash to 2,000 jobless people,", not hobos.

[kcr]

28. Not all jobless are hobos. There you go! The point! n/t

[cwydro]

5. Lol.

Pretty sure your time here will be limited.

[DLevine]

12. Wait until you see what Don the Con has in store for US.

Pootie's Poodle will be chucking wads of cash at himself and his billionaire friends.

[Cal Carpenter]

18. Wow, such compassion

Do you just hate people? You don't know anyone in your life who cannot work and cannot make a living and is struggling to keep a roof over their head and food on their plates? People who are disabled or mentally ill or suffered a catastrophe? People who can't find work because of economic problems and lose everything?

You'd rather they starve on the streets? Because that's what happens in most places as people fall through the giant cracks in our social services and get abandoned by their communities. Even in the so-called wealthiest nations.

Holy shit. Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay.

[Cal Carpenter]

32. Re-read the first post you made on this thread

You dropped a giant turd. You may not really mean what you said, but you said it, and you don't get to play dumb about it or pretend it's not what you said.

You chose those words knowing you'd get piled on. Congrats. I'm done playing. Not in the mood. It's bitter cold where I am and I am worried about people I love who have nowhere to go. So your dehumanizing crap pissed me off and I'm not apologizing for it.

[AgadorSparticus]

22. Wow. And what we are doing that is so much better?

The point to this, that you clearly missed, is not about the money. It is about seeing if there are improvements in their situation and HOW it improved their lives.

Helping people is never a waste of money. Helping people is not a waste of time. What a shitty way to see life. I feel sorry for you.

[AgadorSparticus]

31. Because you said it.

these Norse countries have gotten so bored that they're just chuckin wads of cash at hobos

You can hide behind that and say you meant something else entirely...but clearly I am not the only one who read your post and thought the same thing as everyone else.

[AgadorSparticus]

37. Right. Because it can never be YOUR fault. Everyone else just misunderstood you.

No wonder you think the way you do.

[ileus]

20. We may watch, but we won't learn.

[Cal Carpenter]

21. Ugh I hate the clickbait headline

Love the guaranteed minimum income concept, hate the divisive, provocative bullshit headline the NYT gave it because it feeds the rw bullshit.

Argh.

[Equinox Moon]

25. I appreciate your post

It is an education to me. I will be more aware of this media ploy from now on.
I could have changed the thread title since it was not posted in LBN. I will remember that.

[Cal Carpenter]

36. It seems to be the norm these days

Regardless of the source, since the online model basically requires it for revenue. One more way the media is getting worse.

The good news is, it seems to have worked so the thread is getting attention, whereas if you had rewritten the thread title with something reasonable, it may have sunk like a stone

[Equinox Moon]

46. Yes, the headline kept this thread alive

I agree. Also, the virus of a troll came onto this thread, pissed people off, and has now been removed.
What an entertaining thread this turned out to be. I just thought it was cool what the Fins are doing and it will be a good idea to keep watch and learn as it unfolds. Silly me. I was being practical.

[KittyWampus]

33. This makes sense, but in context. Corporations should be half Public owned w/public

getting dividends.

It would help with the whole tax evasion thing.