Is Anyone Here Thinking That This Russian Hacking Issue Is....

[global1]

just a convenient deflection for Repugs to take the spotlight away from them stealing enough votes in certain key states to get Trump the electoral votes needed to get over 270?

Sure Russia & Putin were successful in influencing this election - but my feeling is that the knockout punch was the Repugs stealing votes.

Maybe Obama is in the process of gathering info on Repugs actions in this election as well as gathering more info on the Russians.

In order for the American People to have confidence in future elections we need to explore both the hacking issue as well as the voter suppression and the electronic voting machines that can be easily manipulated with lack of a paper trail.

We have these major presidential elections every 4 years. There's enough time in between these elections for all states to shake down their machinery and correct all issues before the next election. In my opinion it is a travesty that on election day we run into all sorts of problems - when all of these problems could have and should have been addressed before the election.

After this election we've learned of many machine malfunctions and questionable issues connected with miscounting, vote changing, etc. This election is over and is now history - but what are we doing now going forward to prevent these same things from happening four years from now.

[MineralMan]

1. Elections are run by states and by the counties in those states.

To change how they are run, each state's legislature must make laws that regulate them fairly.

So, what to do? Elect people to your state's legislature who will pass those laws and reform the election process.

Elections are a state-by-state issue. If your state does it wrong, elect people in your state who will change things.

Pretty simple, huh? And that's what we can do, and that's the only thing we can do, really.

[Wellstone ruled]

4. Wish more people would understand how the process works

If there is issues at a particular state level,then that has to be addressed by that states electors. The Federal Courts are the final arbitrator.

[MineralMan]

7. Yes. We are a nation of people who have no idea how

government works. I'm not sure where the fault lies in that, though, really. I find it especially surprising that, on an active political discussion forum, so many people lack an understanding of their own government. It complicates many discussions. It's probably also why turnout is so low in non-presidential election years.

[Wellstone ruled]

11. Once the old Civics Class was jerked

from most Public Schools,the following generations have become Government Operational Stupid.

[MineralMan]

12. I'm not sure most students retained much from those Civics

classes, though. I remember mine, and I suspect most of the other kids were half-asleep most of the time.

You really have to have some interest in government to want to learn and remember that stuff. Most people, I'm sorry to say, don't seem to have much interest.

[BlueCaliDem]

14. The 'process' only works if it isn't rigged. It's rigged now. To believe we should follow process in

order to 'throw the bums out' in 2018 is naive. Since gutting the VRA, hundreds of thousands of voters have been purged or refused at the polling places - among other voter suppression acts. Many have received "provisional ballots" that aren't even counted before the the media blasts with BREAKING NEWS that a Republican, again, has won.

You are thinking from a position of fairness. I commend you for that. But we've seen that Republicans don't do fair in the game of gaining power and keeping it. They lie, steal, and cheat, and no one can win from cheaters. That is a fact.

[brooklynite]

2. I was on a private call with the head of the Democratic Party in a rust-belt State

I was in a private meeting with a major US Senator.

Neither thinks voting machine hacking occurred.

[KittyWampus]

9. Do they even understand the issue? I sincerely doubt it.

[Horse with no Name]

3. I think it was in toto

What we have seen in the last few years is that they just keep slamming us with outrages and there is a point that people lose interest and it becomes a punch line--despite the egregious offensive nature.

I just think they reached into their dirty bag of tricks and unleashed every vile thing....too many things for us to go after all at once without looking like conspiracy theorists.

It worked.

[bettyellen]

16. Pundits admitted they were so overwhelmed by the volume of lies they let them go.

Am not convinced this didn't come from the top. At best they wanted to make it very hard for Hillary.

Agree with your post. It's crazy.

[ananda]

5. It's a thought.

Even more important is that the Dems are,
once again, sitting back and letting this happen.

[shadowmayor]

6. It's the votes stupid!

Let's take a look at Michigan:

Trump wins with ~ 10,000 more votes. The crosscheck block purged ~ 450,000 votes. 75,000 votes in the Detroit area weren't even counted. Not even counted!

And now we're going after each other and crying about outside issues. Bernie cost us the election, the media was all in for tRump, Putin hacked and stole the election, the friggin' FBI ruined our chances. All seem plausible, but the fact remains there were enough votes cast to defeat tRump.

And yet - the Democrats still don't know how to fight for these votes. Think we've done all we can? Imagine if the tables were turned and the republicans knew they had a majority of the votes, yet these votes were being blocked by the democrats? They would be having a shit-fit and the teams of lawyers attacking the state halls would be vast. The other side wouldn't put up with this kind of bullshit for a nano-second if the democrats were doing it to them.

Bottom line - HRC not only won the popular count, she won the election too. And just like 2000 and 2004, the DNC and the rest of our feckless spineless leadership line up in a circular firing squad and shoot each other.

Hillary didn't lose - this election was stolen. The 5th time in my life the repukes have stolen the Presidency - Nixon, Reagan, Bush (twice) and now STFU Donnie. Sometimes it's goddamned hard to be a democrat. I expect to get crapped on by the other side, but like Charlie Brown, we keep trying to kick that football to no avail; only to find out that Lucy is a democrat.

[pbmus]

10. Agreed...

[MsLeopard]

17. This

Very accurate description of reality, sadly.

[libtodeath]

8. It was all part of it.

[Arkansas Granny]

13. There is evidence that Russia tried to influence the results of the 2016 election. There is not

any evidence that the votes themselves were hacked. I believe there were several factors that led to DT's win and each of those needs to be considered so they can be countered.

What really disturbs me is the Republican reaction to the Russian hacking. They act like it's a "sour grapes" excuse by Democrats for losing the election instead of treating it with the attention it deserves. This is not exclusively a Democratic party problem, it's an American problem and is a threat to free and fair elections, which are the bedrock of our form of government.

I don't understand their reluctance to investigate. The election won't be overturned, but we need to know what happened so we can avoid this type of foreign intervention in future elections.

[LeftInTX]

15. Will copy and paste your post to send to Cornyn and Cruz