GOP talking points are infecting the dialogue, even in our august environs.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

"California votes really don't count."

"Democrats live in Ivory Towers."

"Democrats need to stop playing identity politics."

"Democrats have no plans for working class folks."

[treestar]

1. We're always hearing we should not let the Rs

do the framing, yet we still participate in their framing.

[JustAnotherGen]

3. We have to fight back

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. Learned helplessness

[The Hitman]

7. True but...

Part of it is that we don't have the following marching in lock step:

1. MSM -- always so quick to adopt GOP framing and put dems under the microscope;
2. Right wing media -- amplifying talking points and always 100% on message;
3. Party discipline -- too often dems stray from a coherent, consistent message; and
4. Twitter bots / hacking / the Russians / etc.

[JustAnotherGen]

2. Seen the same thing.

Low post count recent DU members - are we certain they aren't Russians? My assumption is they are and we should be as cruel as possible without breaking TOS. Many Russians go along with their "Democracy Con" - we need to let them know . . . We aren't friends and know what you really are.

[Kolesar]

5. I befriended some like souls on Facebook and get a dose of political headlines and banter there

You have named a problem at *this* forum. I find it hard to believe that gops don't have anything better to do than type paragraphs that only a dozen democrats might ever read. They do it year in, year out.

I have some interests like the evolution of the brain that I might explore here. We still have a few smarties in some of the forums. After a few years away, this place interests me a bit more. However, I might wave it off. Good morning, btw

[emulatorloo]

6. Well as you may remember from GD:P 2016, Breitbart.com etc were popular sources for smearing HRC

Some folks are quite susceptible to rightwing talking points.

I appreciate you for targeting those four.

They are lies and they are smears. I can go to a right wing site and hear "California doesn't count". Then I come here and read the same bullshit regurgitated as if it were fact.

I find it baffling that people say that shit here and then get all self-righteous and demeaning if they are challenged on it.

[Silver Gaia]

8. Yes, I've noticed this, too.

I am sick of seeing it. It certainly isn't helping -- not Democrats anyway.

[Paladin]

9. I've had enough of the Democrat-bashing around this place.

Never in the history of this country has a presidential campaign been waged without some mistakes being made---Hillary Clinton's was no exception.

And who would have ever believed there were so many ignorant / hostile / misogynistic / racist people in this country, enough to propel a Trump candidacy to victory?

How about we Democrats easing off on the self-flagellation a little, and starting to take some positive steps towards a recovery?

And here at DU, how about we shut down the toxic 2016 Postmortem forum? It has really been around too long.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. We won the pop vote by 3,000, 000. We lost the E C by 80,000

Were mistakes made?

Sure, but Drumpf pulled the equivalent of a royal flush to win and he needed a nudge from the FBI and the former KGB.