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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Subpoena That Rocked The Election Is Legal Garbage, Legal Experts Say
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-subpoena-that-rocked-the-election-is-legal-garbage-attorney-say_us_58597cd9e4b03904470b0633The warrant assumes that the mere existence of emails from or to Hillary Clinton is probable cause that a crime occurred.
The warrant connected to the FBI search that Hillary Clinton says cost her the election shouldnt have been granted, three of the nations top legal experts, who reviewed the document released on Tuesday, told The Huffington Post.
FBI Director James Comey shook up the presidential race 11 days before the election by telling Congress the agency had discovered new evidence in its previously closed investigation into the email habits of Clinton, who was significantly ahead in the polls at the time.
When Comey made the announcement, the bureau did not have a warrant to search a laptop that agents believed might contain evidence of criminal activity. The FBI set out to rectify that two days later, on October 30th, when agents applied for a warrant to search the laptop, which was already in the FBIs possession. The FBI had seized the computer as part of an investigation into former Rep. Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of Clinton aide Huma Abedin.
Clintons lead in the polls shrank in the wake of the announcement. Then, just days ahead of election, the FBI announced its search was complete, and it had found no evidence of criminal activity. Clinton officials believe that second announcement damaged her as much as, or more than, the first, by enraging Trump supporters who believed the fix was in.
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Captain1way
(33 posts)The squarely lands on the crooked judge that approved the warrant, we are going to need his name
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Captain1way
(33 posts)America has a bad bad habit of hoping people are held accountable, and then just shrugging their shoulders when they are let off the hook
In my opinion, justice should be served, no matter who has to serve it, if the courts are crooked and cover it up, I feel justice should still be served
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)for their own actions?
Btw, we are ALSO going to need the redacted names of the FBI agents involved in this search warrant request.
Captain1way
(33 posts)Simply requesting a warrant
The judge is the one who approved it
If somebody runs a stop sign, I can ask the judge to issue the death penalty to them, but that doesn't mean that my radical request is illegal, it just means it's radical
Now if the judge approves my radical request, it is squarely on the judge
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of our election. Very strongly suspected. Experts already suspected the subpoena was requested so that Comey could issue that letter to Congress, and it seems the wording of the request itself supports that, as was believed it would.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)supported by evidence was professional misconduct on the part of Comey and his goons. They had motive and means to ruin her candidacy and they took it. Comey absolutely knows better. The fact that he got a judge's permission to ruin her doesn't negate his absolute guilt in damaging the democratic process, IMO.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)would have refused the warrant, the Pubs would have claimed the judge of being bribed by the Clinton's and the result would have been worse than it was. IMO it was all Comey & the FBI!
rzemanfl
(29,557 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)very used to working with and friendly to the (as we now know, corrupt and out of control) local FBI branch. I have not checked this out, but I would be very surprised if the FBI didn't routinely get what they requested from this judge.
rzemanfl
(29,557 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)announcement before even attempting to find out if there was any issue.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)Agents tell Comey they found some emails on Goofball's laptop that had Hillary's name in/on them. Comey decides he better check it out because he didn't want to upset Congress. He writes a memo to congress right away. Congress, of course HAD to make it PUBLIC! Comey decides he has to get a warrant because they'd be looking at things that weren't listed on the original warrant. FBI requests new warrant, gets it right away and rushes the investigation through. The FBI concludes Hillary is clean and he announces that tto the Congress & the Public.
still_one
(92,187 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)the FBI even wrote this warrant. And Hillary's support immediately started to plummet.
Then two days before the election, Comey dropped his second bomb containing the words "criminal investigation." This bomb did nothing to mitigate the damage -- only reminded undecided voters why they were worried about Hillary.
Also, Giuliani was chortling about what he knew was going to happen even before Comey dropped his bomb, because his pals at the FBI had leaked to him.
This IS on Comey and the FBI.
lancelyons
(988 posts)I agree Comey really hurt the democrats and it certainly was a shady under the table deal that probably had republican insider ties.
It was perfect timing for them and if all worked well, and they picked up the presidency, they could just pardon the FBi director if needed. But they would have the house, senate, presidency and supreme courts locked up for years.
Now democrats are butt hurt because they where played again by the dirty GOP. When will we learn.
Moving forward, Republicans also have a lock on fake news. A news channel dedicated to it. They are masters at making certain groups believe what they will even if not founded in factual truth. In fact they are so good at the fake news, they start making our own base of voters start believing false info.
As a result, a lady who spent most of her life helping families and kids and people while serving in public office became a villian, corrupt and lying all the time. This is how she came to be known through constant fake news and constant attack by Republicans.
Us democrats, we dont really believe in lying or cheatin or step on somebody to get ahead.
I guess this is a good thing but seems like good guys finish last in todays world.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)have been revealed are mind boggling, and the things that have been covered up are just criminal.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... wrong here.
They might say it didn't help twitler but they know somethings wrong
pbmus
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Coyotl
(15,262 posts)We need to know what the relationships are between Trump's goon squad and Comey/Giulliani.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)that they pushed the lie 11 days before the election.
Justice
(7,187 posts)If magistrate judge had denied warrant, that would have sent shock waves. But the damage was done because Comey acted so badly. Maybe Comey should have sent letter and marked it classified.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...I'd like to know how he figures into these violations of The Hatch Act.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)in the HRC email server controversy. But he was the one who committed the crimes, not her.
spanone
(135,830 posts)Ace Rothstein
(3,161 posts)The sad thing is that this isn't going to be investigated until we regain the Presidency or one of the houses of Congress. Hopefully at that point we don't play nice.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)I'd love to see the Clintons take him for everything he's got.
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)lastlib
(23,224 posts)Obama would never get a replacement installed (Exhibit A: Scalia Supreme Court seat), and if he did, Der Orangefeuhrer would can him and replace with one of his Gestapo goons, followed by Kristallnacht, etc...... You know how that ends.
Kingofalldems
(38,454 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... want it done to them.
Comey's ass should be in jail, there's no way his actions should be allowed either way
Skittles
(153,160 posts)and yet SHE was called CROOKED?
lastlib
(23,224 posts)3catwoman3
(23,975 posts)...soooooooooooooo very wrong in every possible way.
Bush v Gore was horrifying. The swiftboating of John Kerry was despicable.
The blatant stealing of this election defies description.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)The emails were found during another investigation, and just the fact that these emails were on Weiner's computer was against the law. That should be enough for a warrant.
What was wrong was leaking it to the press, thereby possibly affecting the outcome of the election. "That" was criminal, imo!
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... in the first place.
He knew it was akin to an announcement, fuck that.
Also, my understanding is 60 days out none of the agency heads are supposed to take action at all... announcements etc... there's no law regarding it but one could make the case of the aforementioned "knew or should have known".
The person who did the leaking is the true offender here, if there's a suspicion of a crime can this person hide behind first amendment?
Either way, this sets a horrible president ( ) where a person can tangibly affect an election with leaks from an agency head regarding a presidential candidate under investigation for something
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)They had no knowledge of the content of ANY of these emails, so they couldn't know that any of them being on Weiner's computer was "against the law."
All they knew was that there were some of Huma's emails, and that Huma worked for Hillary. And that no Huma/Hillary emails in the past were discovered to warrant criminal charges.
This was just another giant fishing expedition.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)and let the person who lost the Dem primaries take her place.