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Rachel is kicking Kellyanne's butt! Little Kelly is stumbling her way through (Original Post) mfcorey1 Dec 2016 OP
go Rachel flamingdem Dec 2016 #1
where is it being streamed? pangaia Dec 2016 #2
Try mfcorey1 Dec 2016 #8
Thanks. I have no way to log in.. OH, well... pangaia Dec 2016 #12
here you go, they work globally Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #44
Thanks pangaia Dec 2016 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #43
I chickened out and went to the A-Team. Will catch it in the a.m...n/t monmouth4 Dec 2016 #3
Rachel is doing journalism! GreatCaesarsGhost Dec 2016 #4
I am hating it jodymarie aimee Dec 2016 #5
There is no normalizing him tonight! mfcorey1 Dec 2016 #11
she's holding her feet to the fire. DesertFlower Dec 2016 #19
Things Rachel has questioned mfcorey1 Dec 2016 #22
My feelings exactly elmac Dec 2016 #55
Tell me more! I deliberately didn't tune in because I can't stand KC's voice! nt napi21 Dec 2016 #6
Rachel had her stuttering when questioning why Drumpf feels the need mfcorey1 Dec 2016 #13
Good to know! thank you for your thread, mfcorey.. dump is Cha Dec 2016 #25
Ah, you're probably thinking of the Gish Gallop.... Hekate Dec 2016 #39
I am thinking of Gish Gallop.. thank you, Hekate! Cha Dec 2016 #48
And you'll notice she rattles off these long run-on sentences in a monotone. calimary Dec 2016 #56
I just noticed something else, as we're on rewatch. calimary Dec 2016 #65
Thank you. I have a lot of respect for Rachel. She & Joy are the only hosts I know of who can napi21 Dec 2016 #46
She (Kelly) is trying her tactics of deflecting while throwing in a jab at anything mfcorey1 Dec 2016 #15
Lawrence O'Donnel asked Rachel last night if she had her answers ready for this. Because SharonAnn Dec 2016 #41
Kellyanne is the best gish galloper I've seen other than the black lady on FOX news that was uponit7771 Dec 2016 #57
Nah.. I respect your opinion... busterbrown Dec 2016 #68
Great job... Satch59 Dec 2016 #7
Rachel is killing it! Branmerr Dec 2016 #9
YES! skylucy Dec 2016 #10
Is Kellyanne strapped into her seat? Otherwise she'd be outta there mchill Dec 2016 #14
Looks like she is ready to be jettisoned! mfcorey1 Dec 2016 #16
Goddamn it only one question I want answered Generator Dec 2016 #17
I was just thinking, "She must be related to Goebbels somehow..."! lastlib Dec 2016 #37
Rachel doesn't suffer logical fallacies. no_hypocrisy Dec 2016 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #20
Deflecting superpatriotman Dec 2016 #21
Still turning it back to what Madam President Hillary did. All lies as to accompany her fast talking mfcorey1 Dec 2016 #23
Actually.... AJT Dec 2016 #24
All adds up to a dangerous liar! mfcorey1 Dec 2016 #30
Indeed it does AJT Dec 2016 #31
I've been wondering what makes her such a good gish galloper ... no moral compass uponit7771 Dec 2016 #59
Oh damn! Rachel just pulled the rabbit out of the hat with Martha Radditz mfcorey1 Dec 2016 #26
I wish Rachel would have asked if Martha Radditz should sue phylny Dec 2016 #69
Lawrence O'Donnell gave Rachel great advice last night: tenorly Dec 2016 #27
No doubt Guyechka Dec 2016 #28
I can hardly wait Hekate Dec 2016 #40
She is doing brilliantly! I'm so proud of her. nolabear Dec 2016 #29
I hate to be that guy Afromania Dec 2016 #32
Rachel is only one person. OTOH, today I briefly caught 2 diff shows (MSNBC and CNN) where the folks Hekate Dec 2016 #42
They do it now for a while to make money. pangaia Dec 2016 #51
Glad to hear DU is back on Rachel's side. cwydro Dec 2016 #33
Donald Trump is definitely lying, because... Martin Eden Dec 2016 #34
IMO, It was a 50-50 session, Rachel seemed scared of her and Conway. CK_John Dec 2016 #35
No way, you saw the same broadcast I watched. Rachel was professional and mfcorey1 Dec 2016 #36
Just the way I saw it. CK_John Dec 2016 #38
Rachel, like all network hosts elmac Dec 2016 #58
Love Rachel, but she blew it in one area jaxind Dec 2016 #45
She blew the whole show by having Kellyanne on katmondoo Dec 2016 #47
Yes, the normalcy begins elmac Dec 2016 #60
She picked her fights, she did pretty good against one of the best gish gallopers on Earth uponit7771 Dec 2016 #61
Yes, I was trying to telepathically communicate that to her. Or Obama could sue Trump for lying KittyWampus Dec 2016 #71
The only problem is that one has to be capable of understanding that jimlup Dec 2016 #49
Me too. Auntie Bush Dec 2016 #52
I wish she had come back with this rebuttal about Martha Radditz. Loki Dec 2016 #53
It was the obvious follow-up Retrograde Dec 2016 #70
I am disappointed that she even had that paid off mouth piece on her show elmac Dec 2016 #54
I'm with you. Lifelong Protester Dec 2016 #63
Conway has very sharp teeth and a monomaniacal focus on message. And little else. n/t MrModerate Dec 2016 #62
It's pretty silly thinking Conway is going to clarify anything William Seger Dec 2016 #64
Rachel did spectacularly Nwgirl503 Dec 2016 #66
Rachel did a fine job of trying to hit hard but keep the door open. nolabear Dec 2016 #67

Response to mfcorey1 (Reply #8)

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
5. I am hating it
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:22 PM
Dec 2016

Why give this shit a platform...normalizing Trump. We do NOT do that. Shame on Rachel and her "get".

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
22. Things Rachel has questioned
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:39 PM
Dec 2016

taxes
profiting from hotel
interfering if foreign affairs before inauguration
his children sitting in on conferences
babbling on and on about a past campaign

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
55. My feelings exactly
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:01 AM
Dec 2016

now she will just be another part of sniffles propaganda machine but hey, she's a multi millionaire.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
13. Rachel had her stuttering when questioning why Drumpf feels the need
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:27 PM
Dec 2016

to interfere with President Obama's decisions? She left her looking lost when she asked her about how man countries had nuclear weapons and the amounts. Kelly's ability to lie faster than a speeding bullet is no match for Rachel's questioning! Why is she a major advisor with no knowledge of such things?

Cha

(297,934 posts)
25. Good to know! thank you for your thread, mfcorey.. dump is
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:48 PM
Dec 2016

an obnoxious bully and here's hoping it comes back to hoist him on his own sleazy petard one of these days.. con-way too.

Advisor? Or resident motormouth?

con-way must have thought she could out.. what's that called when a politician or pundit talks over everybody else really fast and no one else can get in a word?

Rachel It's good to give someone like that a platform on Rachel's show than say the usual media******.. wonder if she'll be back?

Hekate

(90,961 posts)
39. Ah, you're probably thinking of the Gish Gallop....
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:24 PM
Dec 2016

I deliberately gave this episode a miss, but I am SO glad to read how it turned out!! Go Rachel!

A friend called me to say she thought Kellyanne was a complete bubblehead with no answers and I had to disabuse her of that notion. From all reports, Kellyanne Conway is one sharp cookie. She's just a white supremacist and congenital liar.

Cha

(297,934 posts)
48. I am thinking of Gish Gallop.. thank you, Hekate!
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:50 PM
Dec 2016

I even googled but couldn't get it.. so I decided just to ask DU... lol

KAC just comes off like your friend described for those who care about the truth and facts.

Rachel

calimary

(81,561 posts)
56. And you'll notice she rattles off these long run-on sentences in a monotone.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:02 AM
Dec 2016

Occasionally she'll add the name of the interviewer in there between the run-on sentences that sure do keep that needle bouncing, as we used to say about the mic-level meters in the control room.

She also smiles a lot, and flirts a wee bit, and cocks her head coquettishly to one side, probably an unconscious effort to charm-and-disarm ("aw, you don't mean cute harmless little ol' me?&quot . She sat very rigidly while talking to Rachel Maddow. Didn't move much in her chair or gesture. When the camera pulled back to a two-shot, she looked very rigid and guarded, not very comfortable.

I originally felt like watching something else, but I wound up seeing this anyway. Rachel did a good job. She probed. Follow-up questions. I remember when she was interviewing Rand Paul when he was first running for Senate. She asked a question about the conundrum of civil rights laws versus businesses having the "freedom" to discriminate. He answered with the typical bullshit libertarian laissez-faire attitude about not wanting to tell businesses what to do ("so then you think they're free to refuse service to Black people?&quot . He was a Michael-Jackson-meets-Fred-Astaire with a few of the Radio City Rockettes thrown in, as far as how resolutely he danced around that one. But she wouldn't give up. She stayed on that, trying to wring some truth or reality check out of him for the whole 14-or-so minute segment. I'm sure she had a list of other questions to ask him that never got asked, because she bore down on this one to get some clarity from him. Never got any, but it sure made him look like a slippery eel. He wound up winning, so I guess in they must like slippery eels in his state.

But seriously, that's what you're supposed to do, if your subject says something startling or out-of-the-ordinary or full of baloney. You don't just let 'em bounce the needle for 25 or 30 seconds and then basically go to "okay, my next question is..." Shit - you press 'em! At least a little (?!?!).

calimary

(81,561 posts)
65. I just noticed something else, as we're on rewatch.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:29 AM
Dec 2016

Body language. She's not only sitting there, rigid, basically motionless. Her arms are crossed at the wrist, frozen tightly in her lap. Legs crossed demurely. Okay, two I'm closed signals. Even when her hands are up resting on the table top, they're still crossed at the wrist. Subtly telegraphs "closed". And at one point, her right hand in her lap (left hand crossed over it at the wrist) formed a fist. A FIST! Sheesh!

Milady is Closed, Closed, Closed. Her body language telegraphs "On Defense!" "Guarded!" "Closed!" She's on guard. Uncomfortable. She's not enjoying this. LOVED the Pivot-To-Aleppo attempt when the questioning grew too pointed!

And speaking of pointed...

I noticed something additional beyond that. Notice when she smiles her biggest, most toothy smile - she has fangs? At certain angles, both the canine teeth are rather prominent, and are longer than the incisors and molars around them. Fangs!

napi21

(45,806 posts)
46. Thank you. I have a lot of respect for Rachel. She & Joy are the only hosts I know of who can
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:45 PM
Dec 2016

put people like Kellyann on the spot and keep them stammering.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
15. She (Kelly) is trying her tactics of deflecting while throwing in a jab at anything
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:31 PM
Dec 2016

democratic. It sounds so hollow.

SharonAnn

(13,781 posts)
41. Lawrence O'Donnel asked Rachel last night if she had her answers ready for this. Because
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:26 PM
Dec 2016

kelly ann answers every question with a question to the interviewer.

uponit7771

(90,370 posts)
57. Kellyanne is the best gish galloper I've seen other than the black lady on FOX news that was
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:04 AM
Dec 2016

... a Sanders supporter.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
68. Nah.. I respect your opinion...
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:23 AM
Dec 2016

but there are so many out there that are close and better than Kellyanne. The problem is that never during the election cycle did.. kellyanne ever run into a tough MSM interview.






freaking never

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
7. Great job...
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:23 PM
Dec 2016

Conway fumbling and Rachel not backing down...

Asked her who has the most nuclear weapons after U.S. and Conway says I don't know...

Rachel is hammering her and Conway looks lost...

 

Generator

(7,770 posts)
17. Goddamn it only one question I want answered
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:34 PM
Dec 2016

Is miss Goebbels sure of her bunker position? Because nuclear war could kill her kids too. I'd like to see her little face at that.

Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
23. Still turning it back to what Madam President Hillary did. All lies as to accompany her fast talking
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:42 PM
Dec 2016

She has finally met her match. Go Rachel!

AJT

(5,240 posts)
24. Actually....
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:46 PM
Dec 2016

She is very good at what she does and although Rachael is challenging her she doesn't flinch and always has a comeback, all the while smiling. Having no moral compass makes for the ability to lie with impunity and with a straight face.

AJT

(5,240 posts)
31. Indeed it does
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:06 PM
Dec 2016

and having actual moral values makes the whole Trump presidency very difficult for progressives to deal with. We have truth and they have a massive media empire that tells lies and claims the mantle of thuth.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
26. Oh damn! Rachel just pulled the rabbit out of the hat with Martha Radditz
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:49 PM
Dec 2016

comments made about her by don the con. Kellyanne being snarky when asked why!

phylny

(8,393 posts)
69. I wish Rachel would have asked if Martha Radditz should sue
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:45 AM
Dec 2016

just like Melania is doing.

I wonder if here's a special place in hell for hucksters and liars like Conway.

tenorly

(2,037 posts)
27. Lawrence O'Donnell gave Rachel great advice last night:
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:50 PM
Dec 2016

"Make sure to have answers, not merely questions, because ask Kellyanne anything and she'll usually answer with a question - to evade your question."

nolabear

(42,001 posts)
29. She is doing brilliantly! I'm so proud of her.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:54 PM
Dec 2016

She's being professional, paced, intelligent and is going toe to toe with that godawful woman.

Afromania

(2,771 posts)
32. I hate to be that guy
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:07 PM
Dec 2016

I mean on one hand yay put those footises to the fire. On the other hand we could have used this sort of journalism before Cheeto McBadnikov and the Flunky Voltron Team got the keys to the castle.

Hekate

(90,961 posts)
42. Rachel is only one person. OTOH, today I briefly caught 2 diff shows (MSNBC and CNN) where the folks
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:30 PM
Dec 2016

...were wringing their hands over Benedict Donald. Now THAT struck me as too little, too late. Why now, morons? Rachel and very few others this past year were able to resist the siren call of ratings and report on something besides Trump's tweets, and even they spent far too much effort on giving him free air time..

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
33. Glad to hear DU is back on Rachel's side.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:08 PM
Dec 2016

There was a real hatefest here not too long ago.

Hard to keep up with the mood swings, sigh.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
35. IMO, It was a 50-50 session, Rachel seemed scared of her and Conway.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:11 PM
Dec 2016

tried to seem bored having to deal with a pretend reporter.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
36. No way, you saw the same broadcast I watched. Rachel was professional and
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:17 PM
Dec 2016

knowledgeable, but never scared.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
58. Rachel, like all network hosts
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:05 AM
Dec 2016

is afraid of pushing too hard for fear of sniffles pulling the plug on MSNBC, boycotting MSNBC which would probably get her fired.

jaxind

(1,074 posts)
45. Love Rachel, but she blew it in one area
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:44 PM
Dec 2016

The last segment, Conway says that if people stopped lying, then Melania wouldn't have to file lawsuits. This was right after Rachel said that tRUMP lied about Martha Raddatz. So, Rachel should have come back at Kelly Anne by saying "Yes, you're right...I wish people would stop lying about other people like I wish Mr. Trump hadn't lied about Martha!"

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
71. Yes, I was trying to telepathically communicate that to her. Or Obama could sue Trump for lying
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:20 AM
Dec 2016

about birth certificate or so many damned things.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
49. The only problem is that one has to be capable of understanding that
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:52 PM
Dec 2016

Last edited Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:27 AM - Edit history (2)

Kellyanne has no answer. She's a bullshit artist and that's what she's been doing from the beginning. She just stonewalls and dumb people think she "really showed that fool Maddow".

Obviously we know differently but your typical right-winger would walk away from it thinking she was brilliant and that Donald is just a misunderstood orange overgrown wonderkin.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
53. I wish she had come back with this rebuttal about Martha Radditz.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:59 PM
Dec 2016

If Melania Trump can sue a blogger for a lie about her, why can't Martha sue Donald Trump for the lies that he has said PUBLICLY about her reactions on election night? Melanie is so concerned about a lie, why not Martha who has a much more important reputation to protect from smears and innuendo and outright lies about her and her professional behavior and is constantly being repeated over and over again without any retraction. I hope that woman goes down in flames some day. That is only befitting of someone who lies without conscience.

Retrograde

(10,173 posts)
70. It was the obvious follow-up
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:17 AM
Dec 2016

and I would have loved to hear Conway tap-dancing her way through that one

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
54. I am disappointed that she even had that paid off mouth piece on her show
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:59 PM
Dec 2016

that just gives sniffles a nod of normalcy.

William Seger

(10,788 posts)
64. It's pretty silly thinking Conway is going to clarify anything
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:21 AM
Dec 2016

Nothing either she or Trump says really mean anything.

Nwgirl503

(406 posts)
66. Rachel did spectacularly
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:32 AM
Dec 2016

But please let someone loose on Conway who isn't worried about seeming fair or balanced and isn't worried about keeping their job. Please let someone loose on that sorry sack of shit pathetic excuse waste of skin enabler slash supporter. She's the chick who, when your boyfriend beats you, tries to make you see his side of it and how you could have avoided the beating if you'd only just have....(insert whatever victim blaming meme you want here.)

Trump I hate. This woman, a traitor to her own kind, invokes a special kind of hatred from me. There's a special corner in hell for her.

nolabear

(42,001 posts)
67. Rachel did a fine job of trying to hit hard but keep the door open.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:14 AM
Dec 2016

The two of them know who they are and what the stakes are. We need access to something and it ain't gonna be Donald unless she breeds trust by being tough but fair. You can rail and gain nothing or work the ropes without bsing and hang onto some access. Rachel did well.

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