Some Trump fans are upset about a new State Farm tweet...

[brooklynite]

I wonder why...

[Vinca]

1. Hope they don't identify the actors in the picture.

They'll get the usual Trump treatment of death threats, hate mail and general pestering.

[Initech]

22. And they'll pass it off as the liberals are the violent ones.

When in reality it's quite the opposite.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

63. That's what drives me wild with frustration. When a trumpanzee says that crap,

I don't have a good response because it so wrong. It's wrong on a molecular level....how do you introduce reality to someone who isn't paying any attention to it?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

67. The great thing about reality-based living is that it wins more often than any other way.

Point that out to them.

Businesses that ignore reality go under. Ask them if they see many VHS rental stores. Which business is going up and which down: Blockbuster or NetFlix?

Newton's Theory of Gravity is only a theory, but we don't test it by walking off the top of ten-story buildings. We know that it accords with reality to a very great degree of precision.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

72. :)

I'll try that...just the first sentence. Keep it simple.

[Initech]

70. You can't.

Since the election I've seriously been wondering - what is it people hate about liberalism? What is it that sets Trump fans off that makes them hate us? I've been seeing this crap from Trumplodites on a daily basis since the election and the hate speech and name calling that is coming out of Trump supporters is unlike anything I've ever seen. We're going from a guy who's brought out the best in people to a guy who's brought out the absolute worst in people. We're going from an administration that prides itself on fitness and peak physical performance to a guy who serves KFC and Wendys on his private jet. I think we need to answer that question before 2018 and find out what it is that sets people off.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

73. Yeah.... that is a great question.

I know I once was taking a pottery class and there was this woman in it. We were friendly, would hang and chat.

She once said, "geee you're really nice for a liberal". I thanked her and chuckled and said something along the line of "yeah, my friends are pretty much the same way".

She said she'd actually never spoken to a liberal before!


I don't have the answers, but I feel pretty strongly that the hate-bubble of propaganda that is broadcast everywhere, repeatedly 24/7 for yearrrsss is a real big part of it.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

81. Social and fiscal conservatives hate liberals for two different reasons.

Politics is at least two-dimensional, so the "liberal vs conservative" rhetoric is inadequate on the face of it straight from the get-go.

A further problem is that many people indulge in binary thinking. They view themselves as "pretty good" but think that any liberal must be really very extremely bad because, you know, they're liberal.

Both liberals and conservatives, of all stripes, will fall back to a base of justifying their positions on the basis of Freedom.

Social conservatives hate liberals (especially social liberals) because to varying degrees they think they are decadent condemnable creatures who are leading society to the breakdown of the family, destruction of morals, and to hellfire and brimstone ala Sodom and Gomorrah. Some of them haven't even got to the point of accepting miscegenation (race mixing through marriage).

Fiscal conservatives hate liberals ultimately because of viewing things through the lens of the idea of voluntary versus involuntary charity. To varying degrees, they view government spending on poor people and social causes in any form (like public education) as taking from responsible people and giving it to irresponsible people. They frequently have an exaggerated view of the percentage of income that comfortably well off people spend on charity, or would spend if there were almost no taxes. They also tend to have no clue about the cumulative and synergistic effects of a thousand little disadvantages people might experience growing up and in their lives.

Of course, too many social liberals and fiscal liberals have correspondingly distorted views of conservatives.

Social liberals appeal to individual freedom, personal liberty.

Social conservatives appeal to freedom against the forces of darkness, as they see it.

Fiscal liberals appeal to the freedom from crushing disadvantages, for example FDR's third freedom: freedom from want.

Fiscal conservatives appeal to the personal freedom of giving to charitable causes only as much and in ways a person chooses.

[skylucy]

2. I was thinking of changing my homeowners insurance from State Farm to another company that

gave me a slightly lower premium quote. Now I think I will just stick with State Farm.

[renate]

39. it probably depends a lot on your agent, and I've never had to file a claim, but I like State Farm

Our agent is super responsive and helpful.

[Jim Beard]

56. I stayed with State Farm for 15 years and didn't check what other companies

were charging. Farmers were half as much as State farm. I immediately switched and didn't look back.

[IndianaDave]

64. Hold on a minute . . .

There's more than one excellent ad to consider. I absolutely support what I see in the State Farm ad, but my research has revealed that State Farm is a long-time member of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), which promotes extreme, conservative laws opposing everything we Dems believe in. They write laws and distribute them to states with the objective of overturning laws which protect laborers, weaken gun regulations, and so forth. And the company has chaired ALEC in the past. I'm very seriously considering moving my car and homeowners insurance from State Farm because of what I discovered. Obviously, each person has to decide for himself or herself, but I wish this ad actually typified their philosophy. It truly does not.

[ismnotwasm]

66. Excellent observation

I did a search-because I had no idea- and found this blogspot--it a few years old, but interesting

http://bluenc.com/content/state-farm-and-alec

[IndianaDave]

71. Excellent Reference

I had exactly the same response when I read State Farm's corporate response to their membership in ALEC. Complete bullshit! They're in it up to their eyeballs, and they're using misleading language to avoid their considerable responsibility for promoting an ultra - conservative agenda. I think DU members should be aware of these facts. Thanks for posting your response.

[skylucy]

69. State Farm supports ALEC? I guess I am going to have to reconsider my reconsideration.

You are right. Geez. I'm very familiar with ALEC and it is counter to everything I believe in.

[CurtEastPoint]

3. Are you being serious or just guessing. I would love to see proof of it!

I can see it now...

[Buckeye_Democrat]

4. Let me guess... complaining about a mixed race marriage?

I'm personally a little creeped-out by how young the woman looks. I assume that she wouldn't look like a 14 year old if her hands weren't covering part of her face?

Or am I so old now that I can't judge age worth a crap anymore? It's possible!

[Bettie]

7. I think it's the way she's dressed

that's the clothing I wore at 14!

[Buckeye_Democrat]

9. Yeah, that doesn't help.

It's not anything that really bothers me because I'm SURE that the female model isn't actually a minor.

[Bucky]

19. Right, but you should have marketing pros who catch those things

The guy with a beard and the age-ambiguous girl and the unmade bed behind them does give a whole "soccer coach" vibe to the picture.

If I was on the marketing team, I'd have called the models and photog back for a re-shoot. Maybe put them in a French cafe scene.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

21. Agreed. That's what I would've done with the same models. n/t

[oberliner]

78. There were several other options

Like this one:

[Buckeye_Democrat]

87. Much better!

She looks like she's in her 20's in that one.

[oberliner]

88. Yes, I agree

That's the one I would've chosen.

[oberliner]

77. They were stock photos

State Farm did not take them.

[Bucky]

83. So what? They still *selected* the photo and sent it out

and what the hell, a billion-dollar outfit like Allstate Insurance can only afford a social media campaign using stock photos? They've lost my support. I can forgive cheap, I can't excuse bad marketing judgment.

[oberliner]

84. Agreed

They should've picked a different one, such as this:

[Bucky]

85. I like that one. He looks younger

and she looks legal

[oberliner]

86. Also the ring box is facing the right way

Seems like a better choice all around.

[elehhhhna]

45. Uh... she is a working print model so she probably IS minor.

[elehhhhna]

44. It's a gym class outfit.

Maybe he's a coach.

She's got her hand over her mouth to cover her braces.

[meaculpa2016]

62. It looks like a grown man...

proposing to a pre-teen.

And the ring is facing toward him. Doesn't anyone check these before publication?

[pnwmom]

11. Meh. A 14 year old and a 24 year old female can look indistinguishable.

Makeup can make either one look older.

That's why people have to check I.D.'s.

[Warren DeMontague]

15. I know, and at my age everyone under 35 looks like a child, so I can't tell anymore.

But they probably would have done better if she wasn't dressed like he just pulled her out of gym class.

[lpbk2713]

24. I knew I was getting old ...

when I saw a policeman that looked like he should be a Boy Scout.

[adigal]

43. I know, but she really does look like a teen

I didnt even see the color at first. I was looking at her and the guy's arm out, and thought, Ew! A 14 year old getting engaged???

[pnwmom]

46. I know lots of twenty-somethings who look that young.

Really, young women don't change that much after they hit adolescence, till they're about 30.

[mn9driver]

61. Her hands are at least mid-twenties.

Her face is hidden, but her hands do not belong to a teenager.

[forgotmylogin]

16. I kind of thought that too.

I think it's the gym shorts and t-shirt that make her read like she's in high school and his clothing registers as grown-up. Those actors could possibly both early to mid-twenties.

I've noticed as I get older that I am frequently shocked by how young people look.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

18. I've seen some college cheerleaders and thought some of them looked like...

junior high school students, with high-pitched squeaks not helping matters.

It must be my age. I could better judge such things back in my early 20's.

[Ilsa]

42. Tangent: the high-pitched squeals, whether

College-age or still playing with Barbies, make me all okay-fine-great with having boys.

[Charles Bukowski]

30. The male actor looks to be mid 20s (despite the beard)

and it's impossible to tell how old she looks because she's covering her face.

They're obviously meant to be a young adult couple. I got no creepy vibes.

[alfredo]

31. And her chest.

[cwydro]

59. She looks really young to me too.

Chubby cheeks, flat chested.

She just has a young teen's body.

[Brainstormy]

65. Glad to know I'm not the only one who thought that. n/t

[50 Shades Of Blue]

5. That's a lovely image.

Suddenly paying my State Farm auto insurance bill a few days ago seems less painful.

[Bettie]

6. OKAY

I'm dumb.

I didn't get why they were upset until my husband pointed it out to me.

I kept looking at the wording trying to figure out the problem.

[Jim Beard]

57. No, it is a man thing about fathers and daughters.

[msongs]

8. is that Ivanka?

[oberliner]

10. Age difference?

I wonder if that is part of it.

[Liberal_in_LA]

12. She looks young. Visual is 20 yr old proposing to 14 yr old

[oberliner]

17. Also the ring box is facing the wrong way, isn't it?

I do think the two look about the ages that you said.

[panader0]

25. Also, I believe it is a blood diamond.

[oberliner]

28. There actually doesn't seem to be any diamond

Looks like just a band.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

47. I'm sure I shouldn't have laughed at that. But I did.

[pnwmom]

23. Any fit 20-something in shorts could look like that.

The question is why Madison avenue always shows more female skin than male skin.

And we know the answer to that.

[TexasBushwhacker]

36. I got carded regularly until I was 35

and that was before clubs had a "check all IDs" policy. The funny thing is, I looked a bit more mature when I was in high school and college. Then I went through about 10 to 15 years where I didn't age much at all.

[Binkie The Clown]

13. I don't get it. What's to be upset about? n/t

[Bucky]

20. No American flags flying during his proposal.

This is the War on Christmas taken to a whole new£evel

[yeoman6987]

26. The girl is 12 maybe 14

The guy is in his mid 20's. The ring is placed very weird. Marketing fail.

[pnwmom]

41. How do you deduce that? You can't see her face -- just a fit body. nt

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[Binkie The Clown]

48. Huh. She does look young, but given the context I just assumed...

...that she was a young-looking 20-something. It happens, you know. When my sister was a grad student in her 20s a cop pulled her over because he thought she just HAD to be too young to be driving a car, and the daughter of a friend of mine who was 22 looked no more than 13. That was 15 years ago, but I remember quite clearly having a hard time believing she was as old as she was.

I guess maybe I just always assume the best instead of jumping to the conclusion that there's something wrong.

[elehhhhna]

27. He opened the box so its facing him. Duh.

Thats probably why the teen bride is covering her face. She wants to shout "WTF, DUDE?!!"

[oberliner]

29. She also does not seem to have touched her breakfast

Just a sip of the orange juice maybe.

[spooky3]

33. Good catch. If they wanted to reduce the questioning of this ad (but maybe they figure

controversy = free advertising) they could re shoot the photo with:

1) the ring box facing the right direction
2) she would be dressed in a way similar to the way he is, e.g., jeans and a casual shirt instead of being substantially more bare
3) place them in a setting other than a bedroom.

It doesn't offend me (except as a feminist I don't like it when women are less covered up than men in the same setting--there's a long history of why that's a problem that has been discussed elsewhere) but there's no need to take a risk on annoying other viewers for other reasons.

[oberliner]

74. It's a stock photo

Wasn't shot for the ad.

[spooky3]

75. then they should reshoot their own.

[oberliner]

76. Or they could've used this one

[paleotn]

32. Certain white men....

...still get freaky about interracial relationships. Some people are still stuck in the 19th century.

[iluvtennis]

34. Yep...that's the truth nt

[Binkie The Clown]

49. OMG! That actually hadn't crossed my mind.

I grew up in the poor section of a tiny backward "very Christian" town that discriminated equally against blacks, Puerto Ricans, and Irish Catholics. As an Irish Catholic, my best friends, schoolmates, fellow Cub Scouts, growing up were blacks and Puerto Ricans. Race didn't mean diddly squat to us back then, and it still doesn't.

Oh, and in fact, my great-grandmother on my mother's side was a black Jamaican who married my white French great grandfather. I guess it was quite the scandal at the time. So I guess that makes me 1/16th black anyway. So, no, race doesn't mean diddly squat to me.

[Xipe Totec]

35. Ostentatious opulence, I'm sure that's what upset them. nt

[Retrograde]

37. That was my first thought

Some posters above mentioned an age gap, but by now everybody under 50 looks like a child to me

[WinkyDink]

38. 1. Casual ad, no? 2. The ring is facing him.

[Canoe52]

40. Meh!

State Farm is an ultra conservative company, used to send us employees emails around election time about why the conservative candidate was the "best" choice. I used to forward them to the Democratic candidate. Their ads are created to boost sales in the demographic that they feel they are lacking in.

Never got insurance from them, way too overpriced. I just got hit by a State Farm insured driver. Never saw an agent, was dealing with call centers the whole time.

[Blaukraut]

50. Ads like this shouldn't even raise an eyebrow let alone be noticed anymore

I suppose we are going backwards a few steps again.

[Yavin4]

51. Mad at heterosexual marriage? n/t

[RandySF]

52. Trump sees that ad

And wonders how he can get an opportunity to grab her....

[Ken Burch]

53. I know-they thought it was Tiffany!

[grossproffit]

54. I did the same thing when my husband proposed. Anyone else?

[Liberal_in_LA]

55. 'Absolutely disgusting. I am venomously opposed to Inter-racial relationships. I will boycotting Sta

However, just moments after it was posted, bigoted users began replying to the tweets with a bevy of offensive comments.



'Been a State Farm customer for 20 years. Will be taking business elsewhere next week,' another person said.
'This is f**king disgusting. Why do ad execs think race mixing sells product?' one user wrote.


Absolutely disgusting. I am venomously opposed to Inter-racial relationships. I will boycotting State Farm,' Reg Keane tweeted.

'This is revolting. What's wrong with you?' one said.

'Anti white (sic) filth will get you shut down in WHITE AMERICA,' another wrote.

'Sad. Preserve your race, white people,' a tweet read.







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[Takket]

79. i went to this brenda Gale's twitter page

Her banner on her personal page is just the word Benghazi in huge red letters. No joke. You can't make this shit up.

[cwydro]

58. Is there a link for these Trumpers with a problem?

I haven't heard anything about this.

[Madam45for2923]

60. Are we back to some prior century! Did we all regress without any notice or freaking memo?

[JBoy]

68. He's not proposing to her

Clearly, the guy is one of the family's servants, and he found the ring that the girl thought she'd lost. She's relieved, because she just got the ring last week when her beau Chad Wentworth III proposed (with her father's blessing, of course).

[marybourg]

80. I think we should ignore tRump fans' outrages. nt.

[spanone]

82. trump 'fans' live in a world that doesn't exist. i shit them.

[Maraya1969]

89. I looked for it to "like" it and couldn't find it. I hope they didn't delete it to calm the savages