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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 09:20 AM Dec 2016

President Obama should pardon Edward Snowden

President Obama should pardon Edward Snowden
Dean Takahashi
VentureBeat

They say that the holidays make us feel charitable, and I hope that is the case. I believe that President Obama should pardon Edward Snowden, the man who blew the whistle on the National Security Agency’s global surveillance programs and revealed that the government was spying on all of us.

Once Donald Trump comes into office, no such pardon will be possible. In fact, Trump has suggested Snowden should be executed. Snowden can be viewed by patriotic Americans as a fellow patriot, a whistleblower, a dissident, or as a traitor. I see this as an easy one. He did us all a service, and, by and large, we are better off for it. We now know that we have to be more vigilant about protecting our data, our privacy, and our freedoms. He exposed illegal activities and started a public debate that led to a crackdown on the NSA’s sweeping powers and led to efforts to curb spying on U.S. citizens.

Snowden did this at great personal risk and with no obvious gain. If he complained about the spying through “appropriate channels,” he would have gotten nowhere. Congressional oversight committees knew about the activities, but they did nothing until there was a leak and a public outcry. They were supposed to be watch dogs on our behalf, but it was Snowden who forced them into action.

I’ve listened to Snowden offer stark and cogent warnings about the risks we face, and he speaks like a patriot. I would love to see him return and run for public office or be assigned to protecting our freedoms. He has demonstrated he has the expertise and commitment to help protect all our rights. I would rather have him back home, doing something on a behalf of American freedom, than leave him in Russia, where his asylum puts Vladimir Putin in the odd position of having a moral upper hand over the U.S. Our political system is strong enough to withstand any harm that could come from allowing someone like Snowden to walk free. Our democracy is big enough to tolerate the challenges that someone like Snowden can create.

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President Obama should pardon Edward Snowden (Original Post) portlander23 Dec 2016 OP
... SidDithers Dec 2016 #1
Based on what facts? Are you saying he is guilty? Thinkingabout Dec 2016 #2
I think President Obama considers him a traitor? kentuck Dec 2016 #3
I strongly disagree. Snowden did not steal targeted classified info to share with a reporter. Trust Buster Dec 2016 #4
That's a great point portlander23 Dec 2016 #5
It is definitely true. China and Russia did not host this man for humanity's sake. It is naive to Trust Buster Dec 2016 #6
If you actually believe China didn't get info from Snowen and Greenwald I feel for you brush Dec 2016 #7
Putin could let him in as a way of saying FU to Obama Johnathan146 Dec 2016 #9
And what about China? They didn't let Snowden in without getting something in return brush Dec 2016 #31
It's literally true. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #22
Don't you get tired carrying all that water? JTFrog Dec 2016 #24
+1, then after sharing such information the Russians were involved in a US election... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #14
He high-tailed it to the Russian embassy in China and THEN moved to Russia. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #21
Snowden doesn't care where he lives as long as he has a toilet, heat and an Internet connection BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #8
No. n/t X_Digger Dec 2016 #10
No, I think not. MineralMan Dec 2016 #11
I agree. brer cat Dec 2016 #16
Absolutely not... FarPoint Dec 2016 #12
Snowden helped Putin immeasurably and sullied America gulliver Dec 2016 #13
I remember when... SaschaHM Dec 2016 #15
Nope. The traitor shared info with Russia, CakeGrrl Dec 2016 #17
YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!!11%(#%*@!. Fuck Takahashi, Snowden and the Putin those fuckers rode in on. nt JTFrog Dec 2016 #18
Who is this Takahashi? flamingdem Dec 2016 #25
The author of this ridiculous piece. nt JTFrog Dec 2016 #32
Fuck Greenwald and Poitras, too. ... eom Kolesar Dec 2016 #33
Snowden brought plenty of their underhanded monitoring to light... Rage4Bacon Dec 2016 #19
Aw Jeez. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #38
He is a Russian asset. How could anyone be this simple-minded at this late date? KittyWampus Dec 2016 #20
As long as the pardon comes with an extended vacation at Guantanamo. oasis Dec 2016 #23
Both the ACLU and Amnesty International are spear heading efforts to get a pardon for Snowden think Dec 2016 #26
Yes and selling out to Russia doesn't seem to mean what it used to. meadowlander Dec 2016 #27
who sold out to the Russians? think Dec 2016 #28
No! He made a choice and has to live with it! hrmjustin Dec 2016 #29
Here are a couple of the Whlstletblowers the main stream TV media choose to ignore: think Dec 2016 #30
Oh don't worry, President Putinrump MyNameGoesHere Dec 2016 #34
We're going to need a lot more Snowdens for the next 4 years. smilodon populator Dec 2016 #35
Fuck Snowden and all his fanbois. He's no patriot. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #37
Vladimir Putin? "The moral upper hand"? WTF wrote this shit? And why you disseminate it? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #36
Get in line, Snowden KamaAina Dec 2016 #39
The SOB needs to be in Guantanamo, he helped Herr Trumpenfuhrer get elected nt doc03 Dec 2016 #40

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. Based on what facts? Are you saying he is guilty?
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 09:29 AM
Dec 2016

He has admitted his guilt, he can still return to the US and face the charges but apparently he knows the results will be convictions so he continues to remain on the lam. Understanding the seriousness of his crimes should be easy to understand.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
4. I strongly disagree. Snowden did not steal targeted classified info to share with a reporter.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 09:33 AM
Dec 2016

Snowden stole meta classified data, high tailed it to China and Russia and shared the info with them.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
6. It is definitely true. China and Russia did not host this man for humanity's sake. It is naive to
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 09:45 AM
Dec 2016

think otherwise.

brush

(53,776 posts)
7. If you actually believe China didn't get info from Snowen and Greenwald I feel for you
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 09:46 AM
Dec 2016

China would not have let him in without quid pro quo.

And do you think Putin is putting him up out of the goodness of his heart?

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
24. Don't you get tired carrying all that water?
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:39 PM
Dec 2016

Maybe you should try a little real news for a change.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
14. +1, then after sharing such information the Russians were involved in a US election...
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 11:44 AM
Dec 2016

... there's no direct causation just enough to be suspicious and that's still bad enough NOT to pardon him

BeyondGeography

(39,370 posts)
8. Snowden doesn't care where he lives as long as he has a toilet, heat and an Internet connection
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 09:56 AM
Dec 2016

If it's any consolation to his fans.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
11. No, I think not.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 10:55 AM
Dec 2016

We should not pardon anyone who passed massive amounts of classified information on to anyone who was unauthorized to have it. Down that road is disaster, whether it happened with Snowden or not.

Let him rot in Russia, and send Assange there, too, to live out the rest of his justifiably miserable life.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
13. Snowden helped Putin immeasurably and sullied America
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 11:37 AM
Dec 2016

Dumbasses of the world united in agreement on the horrors of the U.S. government's spying operations. Meanwhile, Putin was developing far worse cyber warfare technologies. Snowden accepting "asylum" made Putin look like the good guy.

Snowden is a coward and a misguided, technically untalented asshole. He needs to man up, disown Putin, and come back to the United States to take his medicine. He's as responsible for the Trump presidency as anyone.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
15. I remember when...
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 11:53 AM
Dec 2016

Snowden said that 2016 was a choice between Goldman Sachs and Donald Trump. I think Obama should let Snowden see how Donald Trump works out for him. His window for a pardon has been shut.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
17. Nope. The traitor shared info with Russia,
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:32 PM
Dec 2016

and there he can stay - at the whim of the Trump/Putin administration.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
18. YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!!11%(#%*@!. Fuck Takahashi, Snowden and the Putin those fuckers rode in on. nt
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:36 PM
Dec 2016
 

Rage4Bacon

(43 posts)
19. Snowden brought plenty of their underhanded monitoring to light...
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:36 PM
Dec 2016

Hero in my book. Set him free.

Now if more people will bring this type of nonsense to light, maybe we might stop the onslaught of unlawful monitoring of the masses.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
26. Both the ACLU and Amnesty International are spear heading efforts to get a pardon for Snowden
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:43 PM
Dec 2016

And yet here we are....

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
29. No! He made a choice and has to live with it!
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:53 PM
Dec 2016

He had choices and made this one. We the public will never know exactly what he stole but he had other options!

If he wants to come home there are airports! Buy a ticket and come home Snowden! If he feels he was in the right he can always defend himself vigorously in court!

Snowden s no hero!

 

think

(11,641 posts)
30. Here are a couple of the Whlstletblowers the main stream TV media choose to ignore:
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:57 PM
Dec 2016


Additional information:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/22/how-pentagon-punished-nsa-whistleblowers

There is plenty of information out there if one wants to become informed...


35. We're going to need a lot more Snowdens for the next 4 years.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 03:13 PM
Dec 2016

Maybe we should acknowledge that he is a patriot, not a traitor. Maybe he can help do to Putin and his puppet what he did to the NSA bigwigs

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