Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:21 AM
limpyhobbler (8,244 posts)
Shell fracking methane leak in PA. Residents evacuated.DEP Investigating Potential Shell Methane Migration more: http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2012/06/21/dep-investigating-potential-methane-migration-by-shell/
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limpyhobbler | Jun 2012 | OP |
BlueToTheBone | Jun 2012 | #1 | |
Smilo | Jun 2012 | #17 | |
elehhhhna | Jun 2012 | #22 | |
MADem | Jun 2012 | #2 | |
AlinPA | Jun 2012 | #10 | |
FogerRox | Jun 2012 | #21 | |
elehhhhna | Jun 2012 | #23 | |
FogerRox | Jun 2012 | #24 | |
raouldukelives | Jun 2012 | #3 | |
glinda | Jun 2012 | #4 | |
SammyWinstonJack | Jun 2012 | #5 | |
glinda | Jun 2012 | #13 | |
valerief | Jun 2012 | #6 | |
limpyhobbler | Jun 2012 | #16 | |
Woody Woodpecker | Jun 2012 | #7 | |
Frack Glop | Jun 2012 | #8 | |
sakabatou | Jun 2012 | #9 | |
limpyhobbler | Jun 2012 | #18 | |
Smilo | Jun 2012 | #11 | |
awoke_in_2003 | Jun 2012 | #12 | |
stonecutter357 | Jun 2012 | #14 | |
limpyhobbler | Jun 2012 | #15 | |
Frack Glop | Jun 2012 | #18 | |
blue neen | Jun 2012 | #20 | |
upi402 | Jun 2012 | #25 |
Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:27 AM
BlueToTheBone (3,747 posts)
1. “a very low hazard risk to people, vegetation, and fish in the immediate area,”?
Run for your lives!
You can be sure that your health is in danger if they are denying it. |
Response to BlueToTheBone (Reply #1)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 02:29 PM
Smilo (1,923 posts)
17. Just talked with my bruv
he was saying how methane has an extremely wide explosion range and methane can be dissolved/trapped in water - hence the poor little fish.
Hopefully, no one will be hurt because this is a very dire situation. |
Response to Smilo (Reply #17)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 07:12 PM
elehhhhna (32,076 posts)
22. didn't an methane "burp" from a lake kill
hundreds in Cameroon about ten years ago?
Yeah - 1800... methane killed 1800 villagers in 1986 - YouTube 20, 2010 - 38 sec - Uploaded by HistoryTours Wum is in a remote part of Cameroon, so it took two days for a medical team to arrive in the area ... Methane ... |
Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:31 AM
MADem (135,425 posts)
2. Nothing to see here, move along now!
I hate that fracking--they just don't know how to do it without messing up the environment.
How long before PA has a beaut of an earthquake? |
Response to MADem (Reply #2)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:09 PM
AlinPA (15,071 posts)
10. I have heard estimates of 80,000 future fracking sites in PA. This place will be a wasteland.
Response to AlinPA (Reply #10)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 07:03 PM
FogerRox (13,211 posts)
21. Currently 9k fracking wells in operation in PA
80k is a bit over the top, no other state has as many fracking wells as PA. But the industry has no plans to build that many wells so likely the number is hyperbole.
PA might have 400 lease apps for next year. |
Response to FogerRox (Reply #21)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 07:14 PM
elehhhhna (32,076 posts)
23. they're fracking dry gas which is worth jackshit rightnow --
energy co.'s are pulling back or out in record numbers. It'll slow down in PA, fast. It's not worth the expense of extracting it...for now.
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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #23)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:42 PM
FogerRox (13,211 posts)
24. Thats the cost off upping nat gas production to replace
coal generated electricity.
The risk that the Nat gas bizz would over extend....... |
Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:59 AM
raouldukelives (5,178 posts)
3. Those poor investors! I sure hope they can still profit from it. nt
Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:09 PM
glinda (14,807 posts)
4. Oh just fine them as if money really amends the problem.....
fining is the equivalent of giving permission and getting paid.
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Response to glinda (Reply #4)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:11 PM
SammyWinstonJack (44,095 posts)
5. They can use their billion dollar tax credit to pay the fine. Money for nothing......
Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:16 PM
valerief (53,235 posts)
6. I'm sure the MSM will be all over this.
Response to valerief (Reply #6)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 02:28 PM
limpyhobbler (8,244 posts)
16. Thank goodness for NPR, at least in this case.
I should probably send them a few bucks this year.
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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:16 PM
Woody Woodpecker (562 posts)
7. Place Governor Corbett under arrest
for endangering the lives of the Pennsylvania citizen by allowing fracking.
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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:23 PM
Frack Glop (127 posts)
8. The sky is pink over Tioga and Bradford County
The sky is pink over Tioga and Bradford County
http://fracktoids.blogspot.com/2012/06/sky-is-pink-in-tioga-and-bradford.html For other articles that connect the dots of the marcellus shale players: You Can’t Tell the Players Without a Scorecard! Connecting the Dots: The Marcellus Natural Gas Play Players – Part 1 By Dory Hippauf http://commonsense2.com/2011/12/naturalgasdrilling/connecting-the-dots-the-marcellus-natural-gas-play-players-part-1/ Chesapeake Energy – Peeking Behind the Curtain Connecting the Dots: The Marcellus Natural Gas Play Players – Part 2 By Dory Hippauf http://commonsense2.com/2012/01/national-politics/connecting-the-dots-the-marcellus-natural-gas-play-players-part-2/ Energy-in-Depth (EID): The “GAS”roots Connecting the Dots: The Marcellus Natural Gas Play Players – Part 3 By Dory Hippauf http://commonsense2.com/2012/02/naturalgasdrilling/connecting-the-dots-the-marcellus-natural-gas-play-players-part-3/ Cabot, Krancer and Dimock Connecting the Dots: The Marcellus Natural Gas Play Players – Part 4 By Dory Hippauf http://commonsense2.com/2012/03/naturalgasdrilling/connecting-the-dots-part-4/ Pieces of Silver - Act 13 Connecting the Dots: The Marcellus Natural Gas Play Players – Part 5 By Dory Hippauf http://commonsense2.com/2012/04/naturalgasdrilling/connecting-the-dots-marcellus-shale-play-players-part-5/ Aubrey McClendon: Chesapeake Energy’s Little Problem By Dory Hippauf Connecting the Dots: The Marcellus Natural Gas Play Players–Part 6 http://commonsense2.com/2012/05/naturalgasdrilling/aubrey-mcclendon-chesapeake-energy%E2%80%99s-little-problem/ Marcellus Shale Coalition: In the Lobby By Dory Hippauf Connecting the Dots: The Marcellus Natural Gas Play Players – Part 7 http://commonsense2.com/2012/06/naturalgasdrilling/marcellus-shale-coalition-in-the-lobby/ for larger views of diagrams and more info related to Marcellus Shale Coalition see: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9tP1cRHZ8J_MG96bHotOHhKRDg/edit?pli=1 Don't miss my blog FRACKorportions at http://fracktoids.blogspot.com/ |
Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:07 PM
sakabatou (39,996 posts)
9. Fracking needs to end NOW.
Response to sakabatou (Reply #9)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 02:35 PM
limpyhobbler (8,244 posts)
18. A lot of people in eastern Ohio agree.
But industry doesn't even want to slow down. They are just full speed ahead.
This one incident may not be huge, but similar stuff happens all the time. I bet a lot of it goes unreported. In any case we only hear about it when it bubbles to the surface. As long as the contamination is in underground water, we can't see it. |
Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:41 PM
Smilo (1,923 posts)
11. Frack the Governor's mansion
and let's see Corbett stay there while there is a methane leak.
On second thoughts he is a methane leak. |
Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:42 PM
awoke_in_2003 (34,582 posts)
12. Wind farms...
Are a blight on the landscape
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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 02:16 PM
stonecutter357 (12,459 posts)
14. K&R...
but Shell has nevertheless asked the handful of people who live within a one-mile radius of the drilling site to temporarily evacuate their homes. on what authority?
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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 02:26 PM
limpyhobbler (8,244 posts)
15. A more recent update.
http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2012/06/22/tioga-county-methane-migration-onetime-geyser-being-brought-under-conrol/ It's not clear whether the bubbling gas from streams and wells is related to the gas drilling ??? That would be one heck of a coincidence. For reference, "gas migration" = "oh crap we're leaking gas everywhere" |
Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #15)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 02:35 PM
Frack Glop (127 posts)
18. It's Royal DUTCH Shell - not even a US corporation
As a candidate for governor of PA, Tom Corbett promised to work to reduce the burden of taxation. And so I guess he is keeping his word by supporting a proposal to allow the foreign-based corporate giant Royal Dutch Shell to reap the economic benefits of the Marcellus exploitation without having to pay its fair share of tax on earnings from the natural gas processing plant that it hopes to build here in PA.
On some fronts, Corbett is working to eliminate state spending. For example, the budget of PA DEP has already been cut, and the governor is pushing for further cuts. The message to the gas drilling, processing, and transport businesses is “Not only will we exempt you from paying your fair share of taxes, we’ll also stay out of your way while you do whatever is deemed necessary to get the gas.” Royal Dutch Shell will gain about 72 million dollars over each of the next 25 years, whereas the average middle-class Pennsylvania taxpayer may end up with an annual tax reduction in the neighborhood of $50. Royal Dutch Shell already stands to receive up to 15 years of tax cuts and exemptions under a bill Corbett signed earlier this year to designate the cracker-plant site as an expanded Keystone Opportunity Zone. Before construction of the cracker plant could even begin, the still-operating zinc smelter site needs to be cleaned up. Its owner, Horsehead, has racked up numerous federal and state environmental violations and some experts suggest cleanup costs could reach into the tens of millions. It was originally reported that taxpayers of Pennsylvania would be paying for the cleanup, although now Corbett is backing off on this. So it appears there will be no environmental remediation whatsoever, given that our governor is reluctant to impose upon the mineral extraction industry. How is Pennsylvania going to pay for cleanup, tax credits, tax cuts, and exemptions for this one extra- special corporation, Royal Dutch Shell? Looking at Corbett’s budget proposal, he will be doing it through cuts to state-funded education initiatives and needed social services. Hasn’t the natural gas industry received enough special considerations through the passage of Act 13 and with $1.8 billion per year in subsidies from Pennsylvania tax dollars? At a recent town meeting, representatives from one natural gas corporation were asked why they were at the meeting. The response was, “so we can educate you, get on with our job, and leave. “ Key point – get on with our job and leave. The natural gas industry, as a whole, has no vested interest in Pennsylvania communities. They do not live here; they do not raise their families here. They exploit what they are allowed to exploit, and they leave. The objectively estimated Marcellus reserves would meet U.S. gas demand for about six years, using 2010 consumption data, according to the Energy Department. This is quite a bit less than the 17 years previously projected by gas-friendly estimates. If this new prediction is correct, in approximately 6 years the natural gas industry will pack up their carpet bags and leave. The natural gas industry will leave the financial responsibility of cleanup and generations of health costs to the people of Pennsylvania. |
Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 02:51 PM
blue neen (12,011 posts)
20. Bookmarking.
K & R. Please consider posting this in the PA forum. Thanks!
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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:49 PM
upi402 (16,854 posts)
25. now, all electrical in the area
needs to be explosion proof. like at a gas station.
methane is more than just stanky ot they wouldn't risk the PR disaster of evacuating 3.1428 square miles |