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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsUnbelievable! That an Obama employee said he/she didn't know about the Caucus Room Conspiracy until
that person saw it on the Divided States of America production! This is what the show's director, Michael Kirk, said on Morning Joe today.
Ridiculous that any member of the Obama employees did not know of this treasonous event from day one!
To remind people, on the night of Obama's inauguration, while he and Michelle were dancing at different balls, the effing Republican traitors were at the Caucus Room Restaurant - -15 of them -- saying that they would deny Obama any victories at all, even if it meant suddenly being opposed to things that they had earlier been for.
Did they have their heads in the sand? What the heck was going on that they did not know that the Republican asshats were against them?
It was written about widely, including in Robert Draper's book, "When the Tea Party Came to Town," and by in articles and interviews by Thom Hartmann.
It was political negligence not to know about the conspiracy against them, and if they did know, criminal pacifism in the face of threat. Also a failure to tell the American people abut it.
Even Obama said last Sunday on Sixty Minutes that he was not good about shaping general public opinion, although he was able to shape his elections.
I really, really revere and love Obama but he did not name and shame the Republicans nearly as much and I really think that this helped lead to Trump's victory.
Obama acted as if he believed that the other side played fair -- or perhaps if they were rough, then good decorum would allow Hillary to win -- but the Republicans have always been crotch grabbers, money grubbers, only interested in benefiting their benefactors and the heck with the struggling, the needy, the jobless.
Only in the last several months of the campaign did he start to tell Americans how Republicans would always contradict him, no matter what he was saying. "If I say there is fish in the sea, they would say there is no fish in the sea!." But I think that was far too little and much too late.
I think that Alan Grayson was a strong and vigorous truth teller and I wish Obama had incorporated Grayson's rhetoric more often.
I did not vote twice for Obama wishing that he could compromise with the evil Republicans (evil is as evil does and the Republicans never do any good for the average people). From my perspective, not naming the evil nature of the Republican party, Republicans in general, the lying misrepresentations of the press, etc., led the way to Democrats not being given appropriate insight of how much the Republican party wanted to damage America and its people.
Any reactions?
Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)I think he is an amazing human being and part of that is his humility and his inherent niceness. I wish he had been a lot less humble and a while lot less nice. But, that is hindsight. If he had played hardball the repubs would have said that was why they didn't cooperate with him.
Akamai
(1,779 posts)He and those working with made a huge mistake by not calling the Republicans out in their absolute unwillingness to work with him at all.
His supporters would have wanted to know and they might have forced the media to acknowledge it as well.
Thanks for your post.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)referred to as the Caucus Room Conspiracy before, but I've known about that dinner.
meadowlander
(4,395 posts)although I do remember prominent Republicans vowing not to give Obama an inch right from the start.
Anyway, it's not the leader's role to bitch about the opposition taking the low road. That just makes him or her look like a whiner. It's like Trump constantly complaining on Twitter about how everyone is out to get him and everything is rigged when it doesn't go his way. Any complaint Obama made about the Republican's being unwilling to cooperate would just spawn a thousand "Obama in diapers" political cartoons.
The leader's job is to take the high road and to let their followers sort out the opposition. The problem is with the lack of fact checking in the media when Republicans blame the lack of progress on Obama and the lack of clear, strong messaging from rank and file Democrats, not with Obama not calling Republicans out more often.
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)Obama's mistake was not firing Comey back in July after he editorialized on the findings of the Hillary investigation. He should have been out the door right then and there.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)He reached across the isle and they called him a divisive dictator anyway.
narnian60
(3,510 posts)malaise
(269,026 posts)Obama and Pelosi should have started proceedings to 'lock them up' for war crimes and treason in 2009 .
betsuni
(25,537 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)Hekate
(90,708 posts)....despite "voting for him twice."
Be really akamai and give it a rest. smh
JI7
(89,251 posts)malaise
(269,026 posts)Rec
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)Akamai
(1,779 posts)Listen to what Hartmann wrote in 2014 on Democratic Underground!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017225705
I agree with Hartmann, and have said so repeatedly -- we did not call them out often, early, and LOUDLY!!!!
And the therefore, set the Agenda.
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Hekate
(90,708 posts)What is his excuse for being Tokyo Rose?
otohara
(24,135 posts)I stopped listening during the whole primary talk of President Obama in 2011 & 2012
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Hekate
(90,708 posts)Akamai
(1,779 posts)Said that he could have framed issues better, that he was best at election politics.
Hillary lost to someone who kept saying "Crooked Hillary" with almost every statement he made regarding Sen. Clinton and this stock with many of trump's supporters. Very juvenile, very lowbrow, but in the long run, it seems to have been very effective.
One of my favorite quotes is out of Sen. Paul Wellstone, who said, "If I am on fire, it's because I have icebergs of indifference to melt!"
My own two cents.
Hekate
(90,708 posts)Yes, the EC. Of course the election was rigged: Trump told us so innumerable times.
In spite of that, WE are the MAJORITY, and SHE WON. How about if we proceed from THAT premise? I think there is a helluva lot more strength to be had in that recognition.
Akamai
(1,779 posts)wasn't rigged against her. In fact, as Thom Hartmann says, she probably won both the popular vote and the Electoral College contests but because of Crosscheck, the votes of many, many thousands of people were not counted. Also voter id laws cut into the people allowed to vote, voter suppression did as well (with limitations on voting hours, voting places, etc.).
And it's truly terrible that we don't know how many votes the Effing Republicans invalidated unfairly (and I would say, illegally).
Jacob Boehme
(789 posts)By any measure, standard or even Conspiracy one want's to use.... the bottom line is this: From the standpoint of the Republican Party, they went into a blind rage the day President Obama entered the White House.
As far as the GOP was concerned, Obama came in at the bottom of the Ninth inning with two men out and two strikes against him. Their one and only goal was to strike him out as early as possible.... because how fucking dare a Black Man be in their WHITE HOUSE!
In GOP land, no matter what Obama's path to success was, the GOP was going to work to deny him any measure of that success.
But a funny thing happened after the 2008 election... Obama turned the GOP game plan on it's ear and logged success after success, all the while making this a stronger more stable country, the country that was still healing from the wounds of 9/11.
So the GOP has shown its true colors time and again... that they are the ones who want to diminish and weaken us as a country. Why? I really don't know. But what I do know is that everyone who's elected to Congress swears an oath to uphold the Constitution, and this is an oath they continue to break.
Akamai
(1,779 posts)Who fund their candidacies. Their big fear in the red states is not the general election--the states are so gerrymandered that they know that a Republican will win--but the big fear is that in the primaries, people will accuse them of being progressive and knocked them out of the race. And we have a Supreme Court that seems utterly unconcerned about this.
We also have voter suppression with Crosscheck and voter ID laws, we have a Supreme Court that enables corporations and billionaires to spend unlimited sums of money, we have a mainstream media that pretends that Trump's allies and misdoings are not disqualifying to someone running for the office of the President. The incessant nattering on about Hillary's emails, about Benghazi (those deaths caused by the Republican House's slashing of security funds--almost never was that brought up), and we had lie after lie after lie about Obama--about the unemployment rate, about the "failure" of Obama care, about the need for austerity spending (funny how they didn't mention that when Bush and Reagan were in office), etc.
I remembered one point during the 2004 race when on the stage once Sen. Kerry said to Sen. Edwards, "These guys will lie about anything." And I cheered that statement. Sen. Kerry never said it again. I always thought that his refusal to repeat such ideas helped lead to his loss.
I really like Alan Grayson's pugnacious "in-your-face" style of taking on the Republicans. At one point during Obama care debates in the house, he started to name how many people from the different Republican districts were dead as a result of not having Obama care and the speaker the house then for bid him to continue with such statements, and I think his words were "taken down"--that is, erased from the record.
Just my two cents.
Jacob Boehme
(789 posts)You may find this link of interest: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028475242
Akamai
(1,779 posts)Of course the billionaires are wanting to kill Obama care because then it would reduce their own taxes somewhat.
Certainly, of course, the billionaires can afford the several percentage points extra they are paying in taxes as a result of Obama care, but greed knows no boundaries and money does not sleep. Money lives to create more money, and in answer to Sen. Teddy Kennedy, "When is enough enough?" the answer is clear, "Never!"
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)But nothing them and Gingrich would do would be much of a surprise.
Akamai
(1,779 posts)opposition to Obama but it did not go nearly into the depth it should have.
Listen to the Thom Hartmann video above, and also to Thom's 2012 interview with Goingrich in which Gingrich boasts about his utter refusal to consider Obama's proposals, and the total refusal of other Republicans as well:
I have certainly harped on this god damned state of affairs for many years, and this is the effing reason why Obama met with such unyielding opposition.
I sure as hell wanted Democrats to point this thing out, and also to throw it in the face of any media pundit who asked how why Obama could not get along with the treasonous Republicans.
And instead, it was left to the Republicans to say why nothing good could get past the Republican Congress--and of course they lied mercilessly, and so did the mainstream press, which knew better.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)it's deeper and even more foul.
Akamai
(1,779 posts)Would not be believable in a work of fiction. Especially as you have the press pretending that Trump will make an adequate president--is able to study the issues, etc.
I am often reminded of the question that someone apparently posed to his/her teacher: "Why do I have to study hard if Pres. Trump doesn't?" (It may have been given to that youngster's father.) I think it was on DemocraticUnderground or HuffingtonPost.