More than 1,600 factory workers are being fired after Trump said hed save their jobs

[still_one]

"INDIANAPOLIS, Indiana—Dragging on a cigarette as he sits in the hall of United Steelworkers Local 1999, Robert James says, “Trump stood on stage and lied about 1,100 jobs being saved at Carrier in Indianapolis.”

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"But the numbers Trump announced don’t add up. When James and other union leaders met with the company right before Trump went on stage, they were told 730 union jobs would be saved at the Indianapolis plant―nearly 400 less than Trump announced. Trump was apparently including 350 engineering and administrative employees, but they were never leaving. That meant 550 workers would lose their jobs in Indianapolis as well as 738 workers at Huntington, which would shut down entirely.

That made James angry. He was one of the workers selected to appear before Trump as the news media broadcast the event live, but was in no mood to meet with the president-elect or shake his hand."

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It was left to James and USW Local 1999 President Chuck Jones to dash the hopes of many workers. “We had to explain to workers that number was wrong. The workers were shocked that the number of jobs saved were lower than they thought. A lot said, ‘That’s fucked up.’”

Jones was more pointed, telling the media the president-elect “lied his ass off” about the jobs saved. That earned him Trump’s wrath, leading to threats pouring in such as, “You better keep your eye on your kids” and “We’re coming for you.” Jones says, “It really pissed me off he misled people their jobs might be saved. He didn’t want to get up and tell people part of the plant is going to stay and part of the plant is going to Mexico.”


http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/more-than-1600-factory-workers-are-being-fired-after-trump-said-hed-save-their-jobs-heres-what-they-have-to-say/

For those following this story, DU members back in December pointed out that the numbers didn't add up, and the media pump up on it was bullshit

[tblue37]

1. K&R for visibility. nt

[Cha]

2. Sorry they trusted dump with their jobs. Hard lesson to

learn.. never trust a sociopathic liar.

Get deprogrammed Now. putin's stooge doesn't care about you

[still_one]

5. Near the end of the article a good number say they still support for trump, so your

comment, "get deprogrammed now", is very appropriate Cha

[Cha]

7. It figures they were in deep.

Sad that we have to be discussing almost half of our country being brainwashed to the point of voting against themselves.. and they just happen to be taking the other 1/2 down with them.

May they get what they deserve.

[Crash2Parties]

43. Pardon, but it was just under half of the 55% that voted, not half the country.

So, just about 25% of America voted against themselves.

[avebury]

12. If they continue to support Trump then I have no sympathy

for them. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twicke shame on me.

[still_one]

14. same here

[NewJeffCT]

28. a "good number" is not all, though

I keep repeating this, but the election was so close that 1 vote in 100 flipping would have turned it into an electoral landslide - for Clinton. If 32, 48 or 64 of those 1,600 no longer support Trump, it will make a big difference in the long run.

[GeoWilliam750]

45. Were it only possible for them to change their minds

It is easier to forgive somebody for being wrong than it is to forgive them for being right.

I keep wondering as to who is making the decisions in our media. Their are five people who effectively control much of media in the United States, and one wonders if there is not a shred of decency in any of them?

Personally, my hopes are not high for people to change their minds no matter how awful their personal situation becomes. One hundred and sixty years ago, very nearly the entire white male population of the South rose to fight to continue slavery - even though the vast majority of them were being slowly ground to crushing poverty by competition with the slavery they were fighting to perpetuate. Nearly half of them were killed, wounded, captured or missing by war's end, and so many of those that made it through lost everything.

Yet they were proud, fanatic even, to risk everything so that somebody else would continue to have things much worse off than they had it. Of those that survived, most, it seems, never regretted it, and they never took their leaders to task for it.

I think this the sort of thinking with which we are now dealing, and unless we can shift the media in some fashion, there will be no de-programming.

[Achilleaze]

3. The refrain that will echo on down through the ages

"...“Trump stood on stage and lied..."

Hello Republicans? You really let yourselves get royally suckered, didn't you?

I mean, you couldn't see the Con Man coming a thousand freaking miles away?

Hello!!! Wake the f*ck up. The hour is well past late.

[NewJeffCT]

29. That's all Trump knows how to do

spout BS. He shattered all-time records for dishonesty this past election season, but Clinton was the untrustworthy one. He's the one that can stand up to terrorists, but he can't face Megyn Kelly.

[dionysus]

37. It's all perception.. clinton looked and sounded dishonest to spme, so that's what

they believed.. to me trump loos and slunds like the BS artist he is, but many thought he sounded honest, so they believed that...

[Eyeball_Kid]

44. It's simple. Trumpy is a coward.

He's AFRAID to show his tax returns.

He's afraid. So he puffs out his chest and screams. He demeans anyone who crosses him.

But inside, he's a coward. He's afraid to show his tax returns.

[malaise]

4. Why anyone believes a word from the pathological LIAR

Groper Don the Con is inexplicable.

[n2doc]

6. Well they believe him because the media help cover for him

Those of us who know better seek out the truth, but ma and pa six-pack just see the nice person on Fox and believe every lie they are fed.

Propaganda works.

[SammyWinstonJack]

17. Plus, we're just elites...so...

[malaise]

18. True

Never in my life have I heard someone argue that we need to know the intent of a LIAR rather than call out the LIE

[Starry Messenger]

8. Trump hates unions.

Most of those Trump-voting workers signed away their future. And everyone else's.

[lindysalsagal]

39. The whole RNC hates unions. They're almost gone.

[Bengus81]

9. Those numbers were BS from the get go....

Just like recent numbers. The media will spew BS about how many jobs Trump just saved and then one paragraph below the article will go on to say "but...the company still plans to send 1,000 jobs to Mexico."

That Carrier "deal" was a LIE from the get go.

[Bengus81]

10. One can ONLY hope whoever sent that Christmas card

To the Union leader kissing ASS on Cheeto was the FIRST to be fired. Probably one of the same idiots who wants Obamacare repealed but then keep the ACA for me and mine.

[milestogo]

11. They fell for a con artist.

[tavernier]

13. So why isn't this in the Indy Star?

RawStory preaches to the choir.

[still_one]

15. I don't know about what the Indianapolis Star reported, but back in December there were a few news

outlets, I believe the NY Times was one of them, who reported that the numbers didn't match up, and at least 1100 people were still slated to lose their jobs

[tavernier]

20. But my pest control guy told me

a few weeks ago that trump had already saved all those jobs in Indianapolis. Doesn't matter what anyone else reports, as long as fox still lies for him.

[Bengus81]

16. Probably because they ALREADY know the truth....

They were at ground zero on that BS Trump/Carrier dog and pony show. Other papers should carry the story though,but lets see who does.

[mobeau69]

25. Answer: Eugene C. Pulliam

Dan Quayle's grandfather.

[Vinca]

19. The key words are "he lied." He lies about everything. People voted based on lies.

[dalton99a]

21. Exactly as predicted

[hatrack]

22. And how many voted for him?

I'd be willing to guess that many did. Some probably even cheered at his phony photo-op.

Well, guess what - he's a liar, and you all got punked. Cream with your coffee?

[Ray Bruns]

23. Fable of scorpion and the frog

Reminds me of a fable of a scorpion wanting to cross a river on the back of a frog. Something about being in the scorpion's nature. Hmmm, if I could only remember the moral of the fable.

[IronLionZion]

24. Is he going to blame immigrants or unions?

or someone else this time. Maybe it was the feminists or gays.

[world wide wally]

26. Newsflash for Planet Earth!!:

Trump NEVER tells the truth.
(Pay special attention American "news" sources and voters)

[GusBob]

27. Nit picking on the headline: He said he saved their jobs

so he lied twice

[Scurrilous]

30. K & R

[Wounded Bear]

31. Trump is running cover...

for the Repub assholes in Congress who have been running this con for 30 years. That's where we need to focus energy.

Fine, they'll blame Trump and maybe vote against him next time around. But how about the Repubs in Congress up in '18. The presidential election is over. This is all good stuff, but it's last year's news. We need to undermine support for Repub congresscritters.

[progressoid]

32. I'm shocked!

not

[still_one]

33. Shocked you say

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

34. Dems get punished for being truthful.

Some say we needed to appeal to those rust belters who Trump bamboozled. With what? Lies about how big factory is back? Promises that even though coal is ruining the planet, we'll keep kill green energy so they can have their deadly mining jobs back?

[Bradical79]

35. I feel bad for the Democrat voters who worked there

in addition to losing your job, it has got to be infuriating watching your former co-workers believe the lie, and continue to support the man after being exposed even more.

[Bob Loblaw]

36. It wasn't really even Trump.

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The financial incentives given to Carrier were from state coffers and handed out by Pence's authority. Pence had no intention of doing anything to help any of the workers until Trump told him to and then took credit for it. Master deal maker my ass. Trump could steal the credit for a dog fart and Republicans would say how much they enjoy the aroma of a good fart.

[edhopper]

38. Why is this only on rawstory?

When all the Networks, covered the original bullshit story.

[SunSeeker]

40. K & R for exposure.

[rpannier]

41. Trump Lies

Par for the course

[Initech]

42. Is there anything Trump doesn't lie about? He's already tanking jobs.

And soon he'll have the ability to tank whole economies with a single tweet. This is going to get really scary really quickly.