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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 02:12 AM Jan 2017

Article - Jews Failed to Spot Hitler's Menace

Interesting article by the author of "Hitlerland: American Eyewitnesses to the Nazi Rise to Power.”

http://forward.com/opinion/157832/jews-failed-to-spot-hitlers-menace/?attribution=author-article-listing-1-headline

In the very early 1920s, when Adolf Hitler was still only a local rabble rouser in Munich, two men from Munich’s American consulate made a point of observing his rallies: Robert Murphy, the young acting consul, and Paul Drey, a German employee who was a member of a distinguished Bavarian Jewish family. “Do you think these agitators will ever get far?” Murphy asked his colleague. “Of course not!” Drey replied. “The German people are much too intelligent to be taken in by such scamps.”

Since the recent publication of my book “Hitlerland: American Eyewitnesses to the Nazi Rise to Power,” many people have asked me why American diplomats and journalists were often slow to recognize the threat that Hitler represented. It’s a legitimate question, requiring more than a simple answer. But an equally legitimate question is why many German and American Jews were often just as slow in waking up to the Nazi danger.

Or slower. In fact, some Americans living in Germany were more alarmed by what they were witnessing than German Jews appeared to be. In late 1932, as Hitler was close to taking power, Edgar Ansel Mowrer, the Chicago Daily News correspondent who was one of the most perceptive observers on the scene, attended a dinner at the home of a prominent Jewish banker. All the other guests were also Jewish bankers, and Mowrer was startled to hear that some of them had given money to the Nazis at the urging of non-Jewish German industrialists.

When Mowrer expressed his astonishment at his dinner companions’ “strong suicidal urge,” his host insisted that Hitler shouldn’t be taken seriously. The implication: The Nazi leader would never act on his most extreme rhetoric, and besides, the donations would keep him reasonable. To Jews who were more willing to listen, Mowrer’s advice was unequivocal: “Get out, and fast.
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Article - Jews Failed to Spot Hitler's Menace (Original Post) TomCADem Jan 2017 OP
anti semitism was a normal part of life JI7 Jan 2017 #1
As is virulent racism here Bettie Jan 2017 #3
The law protects us treestar Jan 2017 #11
You have much more faith in the conservative Bettie Jan 2017 #13
don't count on it with this crowd in charge wordpix Jan 2017 #14
Some Jews did recognize the danger. s-cubed Jan 2017 #2
Many foolishly believed leftynyc Jan 2017 #4
Yep. Not for nothing the saying that COLGATE4 Jan 2017 #6
Yup leftynyc Jan 2017 #7
So did mine. And, fortunately for COLGATE4 Jan 2017 #8
Luckily for us we have treestar Jan 2017 #5
Many Germans Believed There Were Adequate Checks on Hitler... TomCADem Jan 2017 #9
Still the Germans never had anything like the treestar Jan 2017 #10
Our rights mean nothing to Trumpist international billionaires & Russian crime bosses wordpix Jan 2017 #15
Thanks for posting those images. kairos12 Jan 2017 #17
trust me, once this gang is in total power, Bill of Rts means nothing unless wordpix Jan 2017 #18
And now history repeats BSdetect Jan 2017 #12
I'm always reminded of the statement kairos12 Jan 2017 #16
It was very hard to get to New York in the 1930s LeftInTX Jan 2017 #19

Bettie

(16,126 posts)
3. As is virulent racism here
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:07 AM
Jan 2017

It's all happening again and there will be no one to come and help us.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
11. The law protects us
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 12:23 PM
Jan 2017

even if laws like the Nuremberg laws were enacted by some state like Kansas - they would be found unconstitutional. Even a Supreme Court full of Scalias would find that.

Bettie

(16,126 posts)
13. You have much more faith in the conservative
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 12:54 PM
Jan 2017

parts of the court than I do.

I don't think we can assume any protections whatsoever anymore.

s-cubed

(1,385 posts)
2. Some Jews did recognize the danger.
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:01 AM
Jan 2017

I know one Jewish family that survived in Berlin. How? A prescient family member bribed a parish priest to issue birth records. Some members of my husband's family, including his father and mother, got out. Many did not and died.

I think that denial was an important factor, one that we are seeing here. But I think the active, organized resistance we are seeing here MAY save us.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
4. Many foolishly believed
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:10 AM
Jan 2017

that since their families had lived in Germany - some for three hundred years - they were safe from hitler. They thought they'd be considered German first. Believe me when I say Jews learned their lesson from that.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
5. Luckily for us we have
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:10 AM
Jan 2017

1. The Bill of Rights
2. We don't have a weak economy like they had
3. Though a majority are still white, we have many non-white people, and they are varied themselves.
4. The group treated the worst, African Americans - we've passed laws and spent a lot of time trying to fix that.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
9. Many Germans Believed There Were Adequate Checks on Hitler...
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:35 AM
Jan 2017

...as this contemporary cartoon illustrated.



Likewise, many folks in the U.S. were unconcerned, so long as Hitler's actions only affected foreigners, as this Dr. Seuss cartoon illustrates:





treestar

(82,383 posts)
10. Still the Germans never had anything like the
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 12:22 PM
Jan 2017

Bill of Rights. That would be so hard to overcome. We are used to saying what we want and criticizing leaders. They couldn't get us to stop criticizing Bush even in "wartime."

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
15. Our rights mean nothing to Trumpist international billionaires & Russian crime bosses
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 12:58 PM
Jan 2017

We will have to fight for them.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
18. trust me, once this gang is in total power, Bill of Rts means nothing unless
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 01:03 PM
Jan 2017

we fight for our rights.

I live in a red town in a red region in a blue state. In my town/region, the same old people and their chosen ones rule totally with no democratic rights for us unless we fight.

I am self-representing in a legal case where both state and local laws have been violated. We finally had to go to court b/c the town and state reps kept obstructing anything and everything we did to get them to adhere to the law.

BSdetect

(8,999 posts)
12. And now history repeats
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 12:29 PM
Jan 2017

America has been dumbed down by too much poor education at all levels and reality TV crap.

Idiots really think jobs are coming back that will make them what? Wealthy? The joke is on them.

Robots will do the majority of any such work 24/7.

kairos12

(12,873 posts)
16. I'm always reminded of the statement
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 01:00 PM
Jan 2017

that in the 1930s in Germany the pessimists fled to New York and the optimists eventually were sent to Auschwitz.

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