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boston bean

(36,223 posts)
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:01 PM Jan 2017

Hillary supporters are upset about not honoring her at the march because its like a slap in the face

to her supporters, who most likely make up a majority of attendees. it's just another fuck you.

God damn, if they want unity, they should act like they want unity and add her fucking name and honor her. it will then be honoring ALL WOMEN. Even those who voted for Hillary.

Damn this shouldn't be this fucking hard. They need to add her fucking name to that list.

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Hillary supporters are upset about not honoring her at the march because its like a slap in the face (Original Post) boston bean Jan 2017 OP
They also left off Susan B Anthony too n/t MichMan Jan 2017 #1
No one who ever would have voted for her is alive to see it. boston bean Jan 2017 #4
Neither is Harriet Tubman. She's on it. I'm furious Rosa Parks is off it Arazi Jan 2017 #27
And what about Elizabeth Cady Stanton? Do we hate her now? QC Jan 2017 #47
Ikr? Arazi Jan 2017 #51
Another glaring omission on their part. Cha Jan 2017 #83
Yup, exactly. apcalc Jan 2017 #2
Why have Harriet Tubman then ? n/m MichMan Jan 2017 #12
They even had the audacity to use her quote as a guiding principle. leftofcool Jan 2017 #3
without crediting it. emulatorloo Jan 2017 #62
#AddHerName! ALWAYS WITHHER Jan 2017 #131
F**k them. Little Star Jan 2017 #5
Hillary lost. Her time has passed. Why should she a centerpiece? Drahthaardogs Jan 2017 #6
This Texan is butt hurt by your comment SpookyDem Jan 2017 #7
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #10
Well. ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #14
Nobody wanted her to be a centerpiece. All my friends' signs have statements LisaM Jan 2017 #17
Because they are quoting her for their guiding principle emulatorloo Jan 2017 #64
Yeah, her entire career is centered on 2016!!!1!! Beartracks Jan 2017 #103
who said she would be the cernterpiece? nini Jan 2017 #108
Remember the Alamo was a rallying cry that helped us win our independance. Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #109
Agreed. Merlot Jan 2017 #115
I am a Hillary supporter.... chillfactor Jan 2017 #8
What is disgusting and self defeating is leaving HRC - the first woman democratic nominee off a boston bean Jan 2017 #11
Sounds familiar. Iggo Jan 2017 #9
Here is the list TexasBushwhacker Jan 2017 #13
I'm furious Rosa Parks, Marie Curie and Sally Ride aren't on there Arazi Jan 2017 #35
I think HRC would be astounded at the idea!!! n/t Yo_Mama Jan 2017 #57
Who said stay home? Nobody. emulatorloo Jan 2017 #75
Ralph Nader's running mate is dead? geek tragedy Jan 2017 #55
After looking at that list, yes, I think Hillary, Rosa Parks, Ilsa Jan 2017 #59
This is a joke.....Right? alphafemale Jan 2017 #15
Maybe they should have organized their own march. Motown_Johnny Jan 2017 #16
Funny to hear Clinton supporters referred to as "them" and "they", lapucelle Jan 2017 #70
I was never a Hillary supporter. Funny you think everyone here must be. Motown_Johnny Jan 2017 #116
Never? So you didn't support the Democratic candidate in the general election? lapucelle Jan 2017 #120
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #121
Then they should stop quoting HRC in their guiding principles PDF. emulatorloo Jan 2017 #81
Isn't quoting her honor enough? n/t Motown_Johnny Jan 2017 #117
As it stands now, it is basically plagiarism emulatorloo Jan 2017 #119
So should Hillary have given Bernie credit when she adopted his policies during the primary? Motown_Johnny Jan 2017 #122
Without giving her credit? No. That is just wrong lunamagica Jan 2017 #139
Then they shouln't quote her without giving her credit. Or you think that's OK? lunamagica Jan 2017 #138
So I guess this march is really just supposed to be about Hillary. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2017 #18
No, but a list honoring women trail blazers better fuck include the woman boston bean Jan 2017 #31
Pure & Simple It's Payback otohara Jan 2017 #89
"The only people we hate MORE than the Romans, are the fucking Judean Peoples' Front" Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #19
! opiate69 Jan 2017 #48
Why. Should a loser be honored. When has that ever happened in the history of inauguration? alphafemale Jan 2017 #20
Shirley Chisholm is on the list and she lost her bid for the presidency. boston bean Jan 2017 #22
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #60
Dude, they quoted her without crediting her. That's pretty fucking weak emulatorloo Jan 2017 #69
ayup. boston bean Jan 2017 #78
That was some of the lamest bullshit I've ever seen on DU. And that's saying a lot emulatorloo Jan 2017 #100
Do you know who Shirley Chisholm is? Google her. leftofcool Jan 2017 #39
Facts and Google are for the WEAK! Not for the 'Alfa'female! emulatorloo Jan 2017 #102
wow. please get educated. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #123
OMFG - Dolores Huerta and Gloria Steinem are co-chairs and NOT slapping Hillary in the face! Turn CO Blue Jan 2017 #21
Add her name. Simple. Add her name. boston bean Jan 2017 #25
Cecile Richards is onboard. I STAND WITH PLANNED PARENTHOOD. Clearly you don't. Turn CO Blue Jan 2017 #28
How is asking for HRC's name to be added as an honoree not supporting PP? leftofcool Jan 2017 #40
IF YOU PUT IT IN ALL CAPS, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXPLAINED. lapucelle Jan 2017 #79
I don't think anyone is going to offend Hillary any further than she has been. forgotmylogin Jan 2017 #23
Was this Event Created For HRC? Babushka Jan 2017 #24
Was it created for Delores Huerta, Gloria Steinem, etc... all those women listed as trail blazers??? boston bean Jan 2017 #26
Who Cares? This March is an important show of force to DJT Babushka Jan 2017 #42
My eye is on the prize, how about theirs?? boston bean Jan 2017 #45
I Believe it is Babushka Jan 2017 #50
The right thing by her supporters is to add her name. boston bean Jan 2017 #53
This is just not productive Babushka Jan 2017 #110
What is not productive is keeping her off the list. boston bean Jan 2017 #111
Was it made for anyone else on the list? leftofcool Jan 2017 #41
First I have heard of this. I think it is manufactured controversy. nt Lisa0825 Jan 2017 #29
Manufactured, my ass. AND I wrote of this days ago to organizers. apcalc Jan 2017 #135
So the SDP and the KPD keep fighting each other DBoon Jan 2017 #30
Suspicious that these kind of things that could depress turn-out show up on the eve Raine Jan 2017 #32
Hurt feeling? leftofcool Jan 2017 #43
Because you're not marching for anyone but against Trump's agenda. hedda_foil Jan 2017 #52
I wrote about this days ago, to a march organizer. apcalc Jan 2017 #58
I guess I'm no one to say for anyone else but I'll march for the good of this country Raine Jan 2017 #74
Maybe somebody got the idea from the Comey letter. hollowdweller Jan 2017 #87
Please, can't we even do this without a brawl??? Yo_Mama Jan 2017 #33
Just add her name. Simple. Get behind that idea and this goes away. boston bean Jan 2017 #34
Are any of the honorees alive? I think the living march, carrying the dead on the list as a token Yo_Mama Jan 2017 #56
Yes many of them are alive oberliner Jan 2017 #125
Thanks, I appreciate the information. n/t Yo_Mama Jan 2017 #133
I understand. They shouldn't even have made the list if they were OhioBlue Jan 2017 #36
The organizers cannot tell marchers who they may or may not honor. Mister Ed Jan 2017 #37
People who planned to go could show their support for Hillary while there. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #38
FFS, carry a Hillary sign or wear her gear. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #44
After all the shit from all corners for supporting hillary being asked to support boston bean Jan 2017 #46
Oh for God's sake. I'm sure she was asked and didn't want to politicize it. hedda_foil Jan 2017 #49
You are wrong about what you are so sure about. boston bean Jan 2017 #54
Maybe I am but certainly you are. Keep it up and we will be unable to fight Trump and not ourselves hedda_foil Jan 2017 #63
Do the right thing by everyone and these issues will be moot. It starts there. boston bean Jan 2017 #65
You have no idea what you are talking about oberliner Jan 2017 #126
Who is on the list? HassleCat Jan 2017 #61
Here is the list oberliner Jan 2017 #127
The more I think about it, keeping these arguments confined to DU is a positive! Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #66
they are getting their ass reamed on twitter and there is a change.org petition as well. boston bean Jan 2017 #67
Good luck. There will be lots of pro-Hillary signs and attendees at the Marches/Rallies Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #68
right, so why not just add her name. what is the big fucking deal? Add it and everyone feels good. boston bean Jan 2017 #71
Maybe they feel like she's too polarizing? Blue_Warrior Jan 2017 #72
I am sorry, that is not acceptable. She won 3M more votes than him, she was the first woman boston bean Jan 2017 #73
For sure Blue_Warrior Jan 2017 #76
We are fighting trump, a danger to us all, yes, we aren't transcending anything political.. this is boston bean Jan 2017 #77
This is how I see it too. If Hillary was front and center, or even mildly prominent LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #148
I think you may be right. hollowdweller Jan 2017 #96
They need to GO to the march! They will feel much better if they do! JoeOtterbein Jan 2017 #80
Tweet from Hillary! Cha Jan 2017 #82
my SIL posted a picture from her plane on the way to DC. Row after row of Pussy hats. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #84
Whoever's made about whatever.. boston bean Jan 2017 #88
I agree with you, they should add her to the list. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #99
What is this, the 5th OP from Uponthegears Jan 2017 #85
Who is trying to supress turnout??? boston bean Jan 2017 #86
Oh, that's right Uponthegears Jan 2017 #101
Given those facts, as you've posted, why is Hillary not an arthritisR_US Jan 2017 #95
I said the same and my post got deleted. arthritisR_US Jan 2017 #90
I am sorry about that. boston bean Jan 2017 #91
Do we know if Hillary wanted to be on that list? progressoid Jan 2017 #92
Do we know if Shirley Chisholm did? boston bean Jan 2017 #93
Yes. This is all about HRC. Goblinmonger Jan 2017 #94
Honoring her along with other feminist icons is not making it all about her. It is including her. boston bean Jan 2017 #97
"I was going to march Goblinmonger Jan 2017 #98
Who said they aren't going to march? emulatorloo Jan 2017 #104
The energy spent on arguing why her name shouldn't be added... joshcryer Jan 2017 #105
The first woman to serve in Congress, Jeanette Rankin, is not on the list either. jalan48 Jan 2017 #106
I'd be curious to know how that list was arrived at oberliner Jan 2017 #128
I think it would have been better not to have a list. jalan48 Jan 2017 #144
Hillary's campaign is over. n/t DefenseLawyer Jan 2017 #107
You miss the Postmordum Forum don't you? CajunBlazer Jan 2017 #112
No i don't miss it. boston bean Jan 2017 #113
hummmmm....... CajunBlazer Jan 2017 #114
As NBachers said.. "Don't let them silence you, boston.. we Cha Jan 2017 #132
This totally uncalled for slap at Hillary causes division in the face of the republican enemy workinclasszero Jan 2017 #118
BB, the Hillary-hate is purely emotional, irrational projection; no amount of facts or common sense TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #124
It's so insulting! ALWAYS WITHHER Jan 2017 #129
How stupid... Mike Nelson Jan 2017 #130
Would anyone who actually has contact with Hillary ask her if she wants to be on the Vinca Jan 2017 #134
Did they ask Winona LaDuke? oberliner Jan 2017 #137
Maybe Hillary has future political aspirations and will want to appeal to voters of both parties. Vinca Jan 2017 #140
This is a unity march. joshcryer Jan 2017 #143
Agreed. And it's time we stopped dividing. Vinca Jan 2017 #147
Marchers will be Honoring Hillary Clinton.Her influence is so much greater delisen Jan 2017 #136
Clinton could show up at this rally and would be greeted with joy. joshcryer Jan 2017 #142
Lot of pro Clinton signs at the rally. joshcryer Jan 2017 #141
You are absolutely right. delisen Jan 2017 #145
That is the type of unnecessary divisiveness that got us Trump. R B Garr Jan 2017 #146

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
27. Neither is Harriet Tubman. She's on it. I'm furious Rosa Parks is off it
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:30 PM
Jan 2017

So.yeah, no way am I going now












/eyes

FFS

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
51. Ikr?
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:55 PM
Jan 2017

Elizabeth Cady Stanton would tell us to all stay home tomorrow because Hillary isn't included on some bullshit list

Or that a woman primary campaign supporter of an opponent worked to get votes out, including, (gasp!) other women.

ECS would definitely call bullshit and tell all women to stop protesting the orange monster

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
6. Hillary lost. Her time has passed. Why should she a centerpiece?
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:10 PM
Jan 2017

It's like the Texans yelling Remember the Alamo. No one wants to remember an ass kicking. I respect her. I appreciate her. I feel no desire to make her the center piece of ANYTHING.

Response to SpookyDem (Reply #7)

LisaM

(27,827 posts)
17. Nobody wanted her to be a centerpiece. All my friends' signs have statements
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:26 PM
Jan 2017

that don't even mention her, or at least most (mine will just be her name).

It's the deliberate exclusion of her off a list - which, by the way, was unnecessary, there didn't need to be a tiny little esoteric list of 27 people - that's ticking people off. It was petty. Why should Winona LaDuke be on, then? She lost running for VP. Shirley Chisholm lost running for President. If losing an election should have you not on the list, then why are they there?

This is so ridiculous.

emulatorloo

(44,176 posts)
64. Because they are quoting her for their guiding principle
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:10 PM
Jan 2017

But not crediting her for the quote, for some reason. Apparently one of the organizers is still butthurt over primary 2016.

We believe that Women’s Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Women’s Rights. This is the basic and original tenet from which all our values stem.



September 5th 1995, in Beijing, China:

https://m.

nini

(16,672 posts)
108. who said she would be the cernterpiece?
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 12:16 AM
Jan 2017

are any of the others listed to be honored the centerpiece?

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
109. Remember the Alamo was a rallying cry that helped us win our independance.
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 12:22 AM
Jan 2017

It was a call to action that ignited a passion for battle and enabled us to do the seemingly impossible. IT seems we need a rallying cry that everyone can get behind in or current situation. I am sorry to say, but Hillary is not it. Just on this site alone you can clearly see that she is not universally loved, though she is loved deeply by her very dedicated supporters. Nothing wrong with that, but we need to focus on the things that bind us together and quell anyone and anything that tries to stir up further division.

It is time to move forward, our countries second, maybe the first biggest test before it is all over is here! Let history judge Hillary after the dust settles, the house is burning down and we are still inside arguing over who started the fire!!!

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
115. Agreed.
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 01:58 AM
Jan 2017

I realize some people are very dissapointed and i respect their feelings. But I'd be ok with never seeing or hearing about her again.

We've got bigger issues.

chillfactor

(7,581 posts)
8. I am a Hillary supporter....
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:17 PM
Jan 2017

and I do not think it is a "slap in the face." This march is not about Hillary but a protest against the orange one and the recon Congress who wants to take everyone's rights away. I wish you people would not make this a fight of us against them. It is disgusting and self-defeating.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
11. What is disgusting and self defeating is leaving HRC - the first woman democratic nominee off a
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:21 PM
Jan 2017

list they created.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,211 posts)
13. Here is the list
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:21 PM
Jan 2017

Bella Abzug
Corazon Aquino
Ella Baker
Grace Lee Boggs
Berta Cáceres
Rachel Carson
Shirley Chisholm
Angela Davis
Miss Major Griffin Gracy
LaDonna Harris
Dorothy I. Height
bell hooks
Judith Heumann
Dolores Huerta
Marsha P. Johnson
Barbara Jordan
Yuri Kochiyama
Winona LaDuke
Audre Lorde
Wilma Mankiller
Diane Nash
Sylvia Rivera
Barbara Smith
Gloria Steinem
Hannah G. Solomon
Harriet Tubman
Edith Windsor
Malala Yousafzai

As far as I can tell, the only politicians on the list are dead.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
35. I'm furious Rosa Parks, Marie Curie and Sally Ride aren't on there
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:34 PM
Jan 2017

Fuck them!!!1!! Not marching now!!11!!



FFS folks, get a grip. You really think Hillary would want us to stay home tomorrow because her name isnt on some fucking list?

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
59. After looking at that list, yes, I think Hillary, Rosa Parks,
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:03 PM
Jan 2017

Rear Admiral Grace Hopper, Ann Richards, and others should be added.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
16. Maybe they should have organized their own march.
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:26 PM
Jan 2017

If the organizers don't want to include her, why should they?



You are right, it shouldn't be this hard. Clinton supporters should either do the work themselves, accept what has been done or not participate.

Complaining that they are somehow being victimized at this late date is not helpful.






 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
116. I was never a Hillary supporter. Funny you think everyone here must be.
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 02:00 AM
Jan 2017

Isn't my Bernie avatar enough to tip you off?

Response to lapucelle (Reply #120)

emulatorloo

(44,176 posts)
81. Then they should stop quoting HRC in their guiding principles PDF.
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:34 PM
Jan 2017

They quote HRC, but don't credit her for the quote. It is hypocritical.

It isn't a reason to sit home but it is petty and hypocritical. Apparently one of the organizers is still butthurt over primary 2016.

emulatorloo

(44,176 posts)
119. As it stands now, it is basically plagiarism
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 02:11 AM
Jan 2017

They use her words but don't say she said it.

Not a big deal to correct that. Just add quotation marks to the words and add

- Hillary Clinton

at the end.

Maybe they'll correct it, I don't know.

At any rate this won't stop anybody from marching, people are eager to get out and stand up against Trump.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
122. So should Hillary have given Bernie credit when she adopted his policies during the primary?
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 02:44 AM
Jan 2017

https://news.vice.com/article/hillary-clinton-adopted-these-4-policies-from-bernie-sanders-will-she-stick-to-them


^snip^


COLLEGE TUITION
Clinton embraced Sanders' proposal for free public college in July, leaving behind a more conservative "debt-free" emphasis in favor of a plan to pay for public and state tuition fees. Unlike Sanders, she put a cap on it, limiting the funds for families making less than $85,000 a year, and by 2021, those making $125,000 a year. But Sanders praised her plans for higher education nonetheless: "This proposal, when implemented, will revolutionize the funding of higher education in America, improve the economic future of our country, and make life immediately better for tens of millions of people stuck with high levels of student debt," he said.

HEALTHCARE
In May, Clinton started officially advocating for a public healthcare option, noting she had supported it for decades. "Hillary will pursue efforts to give Americans in every state in the country the choice of a public-option insurance plan, and to expand Medicare by allowing people 55 years or older to opt in while protecting the traditional Medicare program," her website reads. It was a change in tone from her previous insistence that the issue should be left alone post-Obamacare.

$15 MINIMUM WAGE
During the primary, Clinton seemingly hedged on the $15 federal minimum wage, saying she supports it, saying she supports it in cities, and saying she supports a $12 minimum. The party platform says, "We should raise the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour over time."

THE TRANS-PACIFIC PARTNERSHIP
After supporting the trade deal while she was Secretary of State, Clinton turned against the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) last year, going so far as to have her endorsement removed from the paperback edition of her book Hard Choices. "I will stop any trade deal that kills jobs or holds down wages — including the Trans-Pacific Partnership," Clinton said in August. "I oppose it now, I'll oppose it after the election, and I'll oppose it as president."

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
31. No, but a list honoring women trail blazers better fuck include the woman
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:32 PM
Jan 2017

who fought trump tooth and nail and got 3M more votes than him, and whose supporters fought tooth and nail as well, and who just happened to be the first ever woman democratic nominee for president of the united states.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
89. Pure & Simple It's Payback
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:41 PM
Jan 2017

cuz they still think it was rigged and of course DWS did it all by herself.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
20. Why. Should a loser be honored. When has that ever happened in the history of inauguration?
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:28 PM
Jan 2017

You want her to have special feels and emotions considered because she is female.


OK.

That's...you.

Response to boston bean (Reply #22)

emulatorloo

(44,176 posts)
69. Dude, they quoted her without crediting her. That's pretty fucking weak
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:19 PM
Jan 2017

From their PDF:

We believe that Women’s Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Women’s Rights. This is the basic and original tenet from which all our values stem.


HRC September 5th 1995, in Beijing, China:

https://m.


Evidently one of the organizers is still butthurt over primary 2016. That's weak as hell.

Turn CO Blue

(4,221 posts)
21. OMFG - Dolores Huerta and Gloria Steinem are co-chairs and NOT slapping Hillary in the face!
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:29 PM
Jan 2017

Co-Chairs
Gloria Steinem, Harry Belafonte, LaDonna Harris, Angela Davis and Dolores Huerta are serving as honorary co-chairs.[14][15]


Partnerships
Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood

In late December, organizers announced that over 100 organizations will provide assistance during the march and support the event across their social media platforms.[31] By January 18, more than 400 organizations were listed as "partners" on the March's official website.[32][33]

Planned Parenthood and the Natural Resources Defense Council are listed as the two "premier partners."[32] Other organizations listed as partners include the AFL-CIO, Amnesty International USA, the Mothers of the Movement, the National Center for Lesbian Rights, the National Organization for Women (NOW), MoveOn.org, Human Rights Watch, CODEPINK, Black Girls Rock, NAACP, the American Indian Movement, Emily's List, OXFAM, Greenpeace USA, and the League of Women Voters.[32][31][34][35][36]



- - - -
All of the sudden just a bunch of these coordinated threads to try to trash this rally being supported by Planned Parenthood.





leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
40. How is asking for HRC's name to be added as an honoree not supporting PP?
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:42 PM
Jan 2017

Clearly you don't understand.

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
23. I don't think anyone is going to offend Hillary any further than she has been.
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:29 PM
Jan 2017

Everything she believes in is represented by women and everyone protesting the man who stole the election from her.

Babushka

(12 posts)
24. Was this Event Created For HRC?
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:29 PM
Jan 2017

I am thinking not... it's For Women, all Women. Who now are in jeopardy of losing everything they have gained.
Try, please try to look at the molester staring us in the face, try to see thru all your hurt and march on. If someones name gets left off a list and this is bothers you, then you are already defeated.
Think about it... did our great grandmothers give up the fight so easily? If they got pissed at stuff like this, women would not have won the right to vote. It would have turned into a cat fight. Do not let petty shit lead you off your path, this is what RW want...divide and conquer.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
26. Was it created for Delores Huerta, Gloria Steinem, etc... all those women listed as trail blazers???
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:30 PM
Jan 2017

they made the list, ask them.

Babushka

(12 posts)
42. Who Cares? This March is an important show of force to DJT
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:43 PM
Jan 2017

I understand your concern that the omission of name to a list as a major hurt. But please, keep your eyes on the prize.
Do not get caught up in dog loyalty, dogs are loyal to the master, cat loyalty is the way to go...cats are loyal to the house. See what I am trying to say? You feel loyal to HRC, and want to support her, thats good...but the election is over and we lost. Time to develop a new strategy to fight what's coming. And it's coming fast...check out what he has already done, they are not wasting any time.
We are all on the same side..

Babushka

(12 posts)
50. I Believe it is
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:54 PM
Jan 2017

We share a common goal. No doubt about it. But, I do know who eyes are not. THEY ARE HOPING WE FAIL.

Babushka

(12 posts)
110. This is just not productive
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 12:51 AM
Jan 2017

All I can offer you is this... pretend there is no list.
When I marched in DC for our right to a safe abortion, I had no flippin idea who even organized it! But I marched all the same. My goal was to support our right to choose.
That is all I was focused on. The idea, not a candidate. THEY COME AND GO, but we have to live our lives.
If you feel you simply can't do this without someone's name being added..then don't go.
Maybe HRC did not want her name on any list... because then all she would hear is the sore losser meme. WOMEN ARE MARCHING BECAUSE SHE LOST... see the trap?
Do not let little things stand in your way... this fight is gonna take a lot of thinking big... no time for hurt feelings.
The earth is warming, people will die without the ACA, and DJT now has the nuclear codes. Now, take a step back and see if you are able to overcome your hurt and sacrifice your feelings for the greater good.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
135. Manufactured, my ass. AND I wrote of this days ago to organizers.
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 09:21 AM
Jan 2017

First you heard of it? Guess you were just blissfully unaware,as are some marchers today

DBoon

(22,396 posts)
30. So the SDP and the KPD keep fighting each other
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:31 PM
Jan 2017

While the National Socialists round both up into concentration camps

A great formula for success

Raine

(30,540 posts)
32. Suspicious that these kind of things that could depress turn-out show up on the eve
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:32 PM
Jan 2017

of the march. I guess everyone has to decide what's more important, showing that Trumpism won't be tolerated or hurt feelings. I think Hillary would say "get out there and march!"

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
43. Hurt feeling?
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:44 PM
Jan 2017

Ask me, one who has been marching for over 45 years, why I should march for anyone who didn't for for Hillary?

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
52. Because you're not marching for anyone but against Trump's agenda.
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:55 PM
Jan 2017

Go, don't go but stop trying to make an incredible show of force against Trump into an insult to Hillary. Virtually everyone there will have voted for her.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
58. I wrote about this days ago, to a march organizer.
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:03 PM
Jan 2017

And I Got a bullshit answer.

Yes, the march is against Twitler.

It is also true , save one, EVERY woman I know who is going to march is a strong Hillary supporter.


And these women are marching FOR HER.

And it matters to them, big time. They are marching FOR someone. Who are you to say they are not?


Raine

(30,540 posts)
74. I guess I'm no one to say for anyone else but I'll march for the good of this country
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:28 PM
Jan 2017

and against what Trump is planning on doing to it, politcians come and go, that's my reason. Anyone marching for Hillary, good for them! I just don't want to see numbers depressed because of squabbling, their side would love that.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
56. Are any of the honorees alive? I think the living march, carrying the dead on the list as a token
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:00 PM
Jan 2017

of the continuing struggle.

Mind you, I don't have any problem with Hillary being on the list, but I expect she'll be there, and I think that is one of the differences.

OhioBlue

(5,126 posts)
36. I understand. They shouldn't even have made the list if they were
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:35 PM
Jan 2017

going to leave Hillary off of it. I don't understand their motives. But, please, let's not make this a point of division. We need to stand together.

Mister Ed

(5,943 posts)
37. The organizers cannot tell marchers who they may or may not honor.
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:35 PM
Jan 2017

Make your signs, and carry them high and proud.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,856 posts)
38. People who planned to go could show their support for Hillary while there.
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:37 PM
Jan 2017

I don't know why the organizers made that list of names in the first place.

The principles should have been sufficient.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
46. After all the shit from all corners for supporting hillary being asked to support
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:48 PM
Jan 2017

people who are so petty and mean is a real stretch. Although I will do it. But fuck them, and shame on you for trying to shame. Damn just more god damned abuse.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
49. Oh for God's sake. I'm sure she was asked and didn't want to politicize it.
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 10:52 PM
Jan 2017

Good grief...it's not a Bernie thing. It's an anti Trump event. I'm getting suspicious about people who keep trying to divide us when the object t is to stand together against Trump. Hillary would not have wanted to have the whole incredible march marginalized by labeling it as "bad Hillary's revenge." She's too smart and politically savvy to allow that to happen.

Now please put a lid on it. You are hurting Hillary by doing this.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
126. You have no idea what you are talking about
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 08:34 AM
Jan 2017

She wasn't asked.

Also, it's not an anti Trump event.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
61. Who is on the list?
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:05 PM
Jan 2017

And who got left off? Many people seem to be taking the position that the event cannot be legitimate if it does not specifically mention Hillary. This demands a choice between the March and Hillary. And it's not even a choice you have to make.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
127. Here is the list
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 08:37 AM
Jan 2017

Bella Abzug
Corazon Aquino
Ella Baker
Grace Lee Boggs
Berta Caceres
Rachel Carson
Shirley Chisholm
Angela Davis
Miss Major Griffin Gracy
LaDonna Harris
Dorothy I. Height
bell hooks
Judith Heumann
Dolores Huerta
Marsha P. Johnson
Barbara Jordan
Yuri Kochiyama
Winona LaDuke
Audre Lorde
Wilma Mankiller
Diane Nash
Sylvia Rivera
Barbara Smith
Gloria Steinem
Hannah G. Solomon
Harriet Tubman
Edith Windsor
Malala Yousafzai

Freethinker65

(10,042 posts)
66. The more I think about it, keeping these arguments confined to DU is a positive!
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:12 PM
Jan 2017

I love this site, but it is hardly representative of the hundreds of thousands (if not more) attending the Marches/Rallies. Continue cutting each other down over this while you agree on the other 95% of important issues. I will be at the March/Rally surrounded by people I do not agree 100% with, but I am not going to let that deter me.

Freethinker65

(10,042 posts)
68. Good luck. There will be lots of pro-Hillary signs and attendees at the Marches/Rallies
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:19 PM
Jan 2017

There will be tons of social media exposure. Few will be talking about the official list of honorees. Change.org petitions are fine but the rallies will get at least minor coverage in the media. We all are disgusted with the new administration.

 

Blue_Warrior

(135 posts)
72. Maybe they feel like she's too polarizing?
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:26 PM
Jan 2017

They want the march to be about women, not about Trump v Hillary part 2. She could be distracting because she's such a celebrity.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
73. I am sorry, that is not acceptable. She won 3M more votes than him, she was the first woman
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:27 PM
Jan 2017

nominee of a major party.

She received more votes than any white male EVER.

 

Blue_Warrior

(135 posts)
76. For sure
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:29 PM
Jan 2017

And maybe that's the exact reason she was left off? This is supposed to transcend modern political battling (a terrible election only just passed) and push trump to support women's rights.

If Hillary is front and center here, right can just dismiss entire march as sour grapes from a sore loser.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
77. We are fighting trump, a danger to us all, yes, we aren't transcending anything political.. this is
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:30 PM
Jan 2017

all political.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
148. This is how I see it too. If Hillary was front and center, or even mildly prominent
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 04:10 PM
Jan 2017

Fox News and the rest of the Deplorables Media, along with the Orange Blob, would be defining it as a sour grapes march.

That would take the shine off of the protest march, and give an excuse for the MSM to dismiss it easier. And I think Hillary herself would be in agreement.

Cha

(297,574 posts)
82. Tweet from Hillary!
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:36 PM
Jan 2017
"I'm here today to honor our democracy & its enduring values," the former secretary of state, 69, tweeted before the swearing-in ceremony. "I will never stop believing in our country & its future. #Inauguration."

Hillary Clinton's Name Was Omitted From the Women's March Honoree List and People Are Angry

snip//

On Thursday, January 19, the movement released a document about its guiding vision and definition of principles, which included the names of 27 women who have "paved the way" for equal rights. Clinton, who was the first-ever female presidential nominee for a major political party, was not among them — and people took notice.

snip//

A petition on Change.org was created in light of the omission. "As activists and allies, we are dismayed that March organizers excluded Hillary Rodham Clinton as an honoree who has inspired women around the world to serve and to lead," the request reads.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/hillary-clintons-name-left-off-womens-march-honoree-list-w462125

Thanks boston..

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
84. my SIL posted a picture from her plane on the way to DC. Row after row of Pussy hats.
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:38 PM
Jan 2017

whoever's mad about whatever, here, it looks like a lot of people are still going to this thing.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
88. Whoever's made about whatever..
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:41 PM
Jan 2017

read the post you might get a clue as to what is bothering people.

Listen, no one has said don't go to the march. For Christ sakes, I am going. I am pissed about leaving Hillary off a list of women they note as women who are important and trailblazers.

In this historic moment where most of the marchers are hillary supporters, they leave her off a list of honorees. That is petty bullshit and it needs to be called out for ALL WOMEN. WE ALL COUNT!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
99. I agree with you, they should add her to the list.
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:53 PM
Jan 2017

And then, everyone should move on from the election and look forward. There are millions of people who didn't vote for Trump who also didn't vote for Hillary. We really ought to try and figure out ways to appeal to, or at least reason with, those people. We need to expand our leadership bench, particularly including younger voices, west coast voices, people who aren't afraid to lead, who actually understand the philosophical trends of the electorate.

I don't know about you, but I'm old. I'm okay with the fact that this isn't, really, my century. It's not Donald Trump's century, either. It's not Hillary Clinton's and its not Bernie Sanders's.

This century belongs, first and foremost, to those born in it. Maybe those born in the last decade or so of the last one.

Maybe, just maybe, time for the rest of us to accept the facts and shuffle on a bit. At least make a little more room for these whippersnappers.

Hillary isn't running again. Neither is Bernie Sanders. The primaries are over, so is the election.

But whether or not they add HRC to the list, there are going to be a shit-ton of people at that march, because despite our internal differences there are way more of us than there are of them, and that's what truly matters the most- not who organized the march.

 

Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
85. What is this, the 5th OP from
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:38 PM
Jan 2017

A Hillary supporter trying to suppress turnout at the Women's March?

Here's a link to the Women's March national co-chairs.

Notice anything about it?????

Anything at all?????

https://www.womensmarch.com/team/

An abundance of Hillary supporters, perhaps?

But NOOOOOOO, you single out one Bernie supporter and try to make it all about an intentional slight against Hillary,

Yea, that's it, this group of women, which just happens to include one of Hillary's campaign co-chairs, got together to slap you in the face.

This is a manufactured outrage.

It's not about Hillary now. It's about stopping Trump.

 

Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
101. Oh, that's right
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:55 PM
Jan 2017

Accusing the organizers of the Women's March of being a bunch of the same Hillary haters that you want to blame for the election results won't suppress turnout at all

arthritisR_US

(7,291 posts)
95. Given those facts, as you've posted, why is Hillary not an
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:48 PM
Jan 2017

dignitary of this event? The absence is such a sickening irony given the days ahead.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
97. Honoring her along with other feminist icons is not making it all about her. It is including her.
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:49 PM
Jan 2017

get the difference?

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
98. "I was going to march
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:51 PM
Jan 2017

but now I'm not because her name isn't in a list" is kind of making it all about her.

Many feminists were left off that list. I don't see it as a comprehensive list.

emulatorloo

(44,176 posts)
104. Who said they aren't going to march?
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:59 PM
Jan 2017

Nobody.

They quote Hillary in their guiding principles, but they don't credit her for the quote. That's petty.

Apparently one of the organizers is still butthurt over primary 2016 and needs to shit on Hillary one last time.

That doesn't mean folks are gonna sit home. People are gonna go and stand proud.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
128. I'd be curious to know how that list was arrived at
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 08:38 AM
Jan 2017

Who chose those names and why certain people were included and others not.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
112. You miss the Postmordum Forum don't you?
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 01:00 AM
Jan 2017

As you recall, I was on your side in that Forum, but you need to give it up.

Cha

(297,574 posts)
132. As NBachers said.. "Don't let them silence you, boston.. we
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 08:51 AM
Jan 2017

have every right to speak out about this.


Women's March LV
‏@WomensMarchLV
We honor those that have fought for us. That includes the woman that won 3,000,000 more votes! @HillaryClinton #WhyIMarch

https://twitter.com/WomensMarchLV/status/822258288091807744/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw



 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
118. This totally uncalled for slap at Hillary causes division in the face of the republican enemy
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 02:05 AM
Jan 2017

Adolf Trump and his minions must be laughing their asses off at this weakness in the democratic party and the left in general.

We are doomed if shit like this doesn't stop.

Divide and conquer....

 

TheFrenchRazor

(2,116 posts)
124. BB, the Hillary-hate is purely emotional, irrational projection; no amount of facts or common sense
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 04:48 AM
Jan 2017

will change it. it has been going on since the '90's, and is certainly not confined to republicans.

ALWAYS WITHHER

(2 posts)
129. It's so insulting!
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 08:44 AM
Jan 2017

Amen, boston bean!

This is extremely proboematic.

Add her name already.

Corazon Aquino made the list of honorees, but Hillary is left off? That's spiteful and petty. The amount of hate towards Hillary is astounding and disturbing.

Mike Nelson

(9,966 posts)
130. How stupid...
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 08:48 AM
Jan 2017

...when you make a list, you always leave someone off - they should have defined the women and let people make their own lists. Still, to have one and not include Hillary Clinton is a serious error. Without her, there would have been no protest march today.

Vinca

(50,303 posts)
134. Would anyone who actually has contact with Hillary ask her if she wants to be on the
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 09:17 AM
Jan 2017

fucking list??????? I'm betting she specifically said she didn't, but no one knows for sure. It just seems so much better to keep the division going, doesn't it? Our chances of stopping a Trump second term are already going down by the day. Let's just keep wallowing in the past.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
137. Did they ask Winona LaDuke?
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 10:45 AM
Jan 2017

Seems strange that they opted to put a two-time Green Party VP candidate on the list and not the woman who just won the popular vote for president.

Vinca

(50,303 posts)
140. Maybe Hillary has future political aspirations and will want to appeal to voters of both parties.
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 12:21 PM
Jan 2017

Maybe, in a show of grace, she didn't want the march to be about her. There are all kinds of reasons she might not want to be on the list and I think until she starts complaining herself about not being on the list we're reading too much into it. As for Winona LaDuke - never heard of her before.

delisen

(6,044 posts)
136. Marchers will be Honoring Hillary Clinton.Her influence is so much greater
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 09:26 AM
Jan 2017

than I had realized.

I know many of you had much better understanding of what the rest of us are just starting to realize.

Today is just the beginning. No one is going to be able to diminish the importance of Clinton going forward.

The forces of evil can't even stop trying to crush her now. She represents the equality and the demand for justice and equality that they hate.

Petty power-grabbers, such as those who want to diminish her importance by erasing her from a parade in order to advance themselves will always be with us but they can't prevail.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
142. Clinton could show up at this rally and would be greeted with joy.
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 12:23 PM
Jan 2017

No question. The attempt to marginalize her failed.

R B Garr

(16,975 posts)
146. That is the type of unnecessary divisiveness that got us Trump.
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 01:00 PM
Jan 2017

You would have to go out of your way to omit Hillary. That is just utterly hostile.

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