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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHillary supporters are upset about not honoring her at the march because its like a slap in the face
to her supporters, who most likely make up a majority of attendees. it's just another fuck you.
God damn, if they want unity, they should act like they want unity and add her fucking name and honor her. it will then be honoring ALL WOMEN. Even those who voted for Hillary.
Damn this shouldn't be this fucking hard. They need to add her fucking name to that list.
MichMan
(11,961 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)#ADDHERFUCKINGNAME
Arazi
(6,829 posts)So.yeah, no way am I going now
/eyes
FFS
QC
(26,371 posts)Elizabeth Cady Stanton would tell us to all stay home tomorrow because Hillary isn't included on some bullshit list
Or that a woman primary campaign supporter of an opponent worked to get votes out, including, (gasp!) other women.
ECS would definitely call bullshit and tell all women to stop protesting the orange monster
Cha
(297,574 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)MichMan
(11,961 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)This will not be forgotten.
emulatorloo
(44,176 posts)ALWAYS WITHHER
(2 posts)Add her name already. This is outrageous.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)It's like the Texans yelling Remember the Alamo. No one wants to remember an ass kicking. I respect her. I appreciate her. I feel no desire to make her the center piece of ANYTHING.
SpookyDem
(55 posts)Response to SpookyDem (Reply #7)
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ismnotwasm
(42,000 posts)Adding her name doesn't make her a centerpiece. Where in the world did you get that idea?
LisaM
(27,827 posts)that don't even mention her, or at least most (mine will just be her name).
It's the deliberate exclusion of her off a list - which, by the way, was unnecessary, there didn't need to be a tiny little esoteric list of 27 people - that's ticking people off. It was petty. Why should Winona LaDuke be on, then? She lost running for VP. Shirley Chisholm lost running for President. If losing an election should have you not on the list, then why are they there?
This is so ridiculous.
emulatorloo
(44,176 posts)But not crediting her for the quote, for some reason. Apparently one of the organizers is still butthurt over primary 2016.
September 5th 1995, in Beijing, China:
https://m.
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)Not.
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nini
(16,672 posts)are any of the others listed to be honored the centerpiece?
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)It was a call to action that ignited a passion for battle and enabled us to do the seemingly impossible. IT seems we need a rallying cry that everyone can get behind in or current situation. I am sorry to say, but Hillary is not it. Just on this site alone you can clearly see that she is not universally loved, though she is loved deeply by her very dedicated supporters. Nothing wrong with that, but we need to focus on the things that bind us together and quell anyone and anything that tries to stir up further division.
It is time to move forward, our countries second, maybe the first biggest test before it is all over is here! Let history judge Hillary after the dust settles, the house is burning down and we are still inside arguing over who started the fire!!!
Merlot
(9,696 posts)I realize some people are very dissapointed and i respect their feelings. But I'd be ok with never seeing or hearing about her again.
We've got bigger issues.
chillfactor
(7,581 posts)and I do not think it is a "slap in the face." This march is not about Hillary but a protest against the orange one and the recon Congress who wants to take everyone's rights away. I wish you people would not make this a fight of us against them. It is disgusting and self-defeating.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)list they created.
Iggo
(47,564 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,211 posts)Bella Abzug
Corazon Aquino
Ella Baker
Grace Lee Boggs
Berta Cáceres
Rachel Carson
Shirley Chisholm
Angela Davis
Miss Major Griffin Gracy
LaDonna Harris
Dorothy I. Height
bell hooks
Judith Heumann
Dolores Huerta
Marsha P. Johnson
Barbara Jordan
Yuri Kochiyama
Winona LaDuke
Audre Lorde
Wilma Mankiller
Diane Nash
Sylvia Rivera
Barbara Smith
Gloria Steinem
Hannah G. Solomon
Harriet Tubman
Edith Windsor
Malala Yousafzai
As far as I can tell, the only politicians on the list are dead.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Fuck them!!!1!! Not marching now!!11!!
FFS folks, get a grip. You really think Hillary would want us to stay home tomorrow because her name isnt on some fucking list?
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)emulatorloo
(44,176 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Ilsa
(61,697 posts)Rear Admiral Grace Hopper, Ann Richards, and others should be added.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Seriously. What. In. The Ever. Loving. Fuck?
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)If the organizers don't want to include her, why should they?
You are right, it shouldn't be this hard. Clinton supporters should either do the work themselves, accept what has been done or not participate.
Complaining that they are somehow being victimized at this late date is not helpful.
lapucelle
(18,308 posts)rather than "us" and "we".
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Isn't my Bernie avatar enough to tip you off?
lapucelle
(18,308 posts)Good to know.
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Response to lapucelle (Reply #120)
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emulatorloo
(44,176 posts)They quote HRC, but don't credit her for the quote. It is hypocritical.
It isn't a reason to sit home but it is petty and hypocritical. Apparently one of the organizers is still butthurt over primary 2016.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)emulatorloo
(44,176 posts)They use her words but don't say she said it.
Not a big deal to correct that. Just add quotation marks to the words and add
- Hillary Clinton
at the end.
Maybe they'll correct it, I don't know.
At any rate this won't stop anybody from marching, people are eager to get out and stand up against Trump.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)https://news.vice.com/article/hillary-clinton-adopted-these-4-policies-from-bernie-sanders-will-she-stick-to-them
^snip^
COLLEGE TUITION
Clinton embraced Sanders' proposal for free public college in July, leaving behind a more conservative "debt-free" emphasis in favor of a plan to pay for public and state tuition fees. Unlike Sanders, she put a cap on it, limiting the funds for families making less than $85,000 a year, and by 2021, those making $125,000 a year. But Sanders praised her plans for higher education nonetheless: "This proposal, when implemented, will revolutionize the funding of higher education in America, improve the economic future of our country, and make life immediately better for tens of millions of people stuck with high levels of student debt," he said.
HEALTHCARE
In May, Clinton started officially advocating for a public healthcare option, noting she had supported it for decades. "Hillary will pursue efforts to give Americans in every state in the country the choice of a public-option insurance plan, and to expand Medicare by allowing people 55 years or older to opt in while protecting the traditional Medicare program," her website reads. It was a change in tone from her previous insistence that the issue should be left alone post-Obamacare.
$15 MINIMUM WAGE
During the primary, Clinton seemingly hedged on the $15 federal minimum wage, saying she supports it, saying she supports it in cities, and saying she supports a $12 minimum. The party platform says, "We should raise the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour over time."
THE TRANS-PACIFIC PARTNERSHIP
After supporting the trade deal while she was Secretary of State, Clinton turned against the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) last year, going so far as to have her endorsement removed from the paperback edition of her book Hard Choices. "I will stop any trade deal that kills jobs or holds down wages including the Trans-Pacific Partnership," Clinton said in August. "I oppose it now, I'll oppose it after the election, and I'll oppose it as president."
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,894 posts)Nothing at all to do with opposing Trump.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)who fought trump tooth and nail and got 3M more votes than him, and whose supporters fought tooth and nail as well, and who just happened to be the first ever woman democratic nominee for president of the united states.
otohara
(24,135 posts)cuz they still think it was rigged and of course DWS did it all by herself.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)opiate69
(10,129 posts)(gmta)
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)You want her to have special feels and emotions considered because she is female.
OK.
That's...you.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)Response to boston bean (Reply #22)
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emulatorloo
(44,176 posts)From their PDF:
HRC September 5th 1995, in Beijing, China:
https://m.
Evidently one of the organizers is still butthurt over primary 2016. That's weak as hell.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)emulatorloo
(44,176 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)emulatorloo
(44,176 posts)TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)Turn CO Blue
(4,221 posts)Co-Chairs
Gloria Steinem, Harry Belafonte, LaDonna Harris, Angela Davis and Dolores Huerta are serving as honorary co-chairs.[14][15]
Partnerships
Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood
In late December, organizers announced that over 100 organizations will provide assistance during the march and support the event across their social media platforms.[31] By January 18, more than 400 organizations were listed as "partners" on the March's official website.[32][33]
Planned Parenthood and the Natural Resources Defense Council are listed as the two "premier partners."[32] Other organizations listed as partners include the AFL-CIO, Amnesty International USA, the Mothers of the Movement, the National Center for Lesbian Rights, the National Organization for Women (NOW), MoveOn.org, Human Rights Watch, CODEPINK, Black Girls Rock, NAACP, the American Indian Movement, Emily's List, OXFAM, Greenpeace USA, and the League of Women Voters.[32][31][34][35][36]
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All of the sudden just a bunch of these coordinated threads to try to trash this rally being supported by Planned Parenthood.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)Turn CO Blue
(4,221 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Clearly you don't understand.
lapucelle
(18,308 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,530 posts)Everything she believes in is represented by women and everyone protesting the man who stole the election from her.
Babushka
(12 posts)I am thinking not... it's For Women, all Women. Who now are in jeopardy of losing everything they have gained.
Try, please try to look at the molester staring us in the face, try to see thru all your hurt and march on. If someones name gets left off a list and this is bothers you, then you are already defeated.
Think about it... did our great grandmothers give up the fight so easily? If they got pissed at stuff like this, women would not have won the right to vote. It would have turned into a cat fight. Do not let petty shit lead you off your path, this is what RW want...divide and conquer.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)they made the list, ask them.
Babushka
(12 posts)I understand your concern that the omission of name to a list as a major hurt. But please, keep your eyes on the prize.
Do not get caught up in dog loyalty, dogs are loyal to the master, cat loyalty is the way to go...cats are loyal to the house. See what I am trying to say? You feel loyal to HRC, and want to support her, thats good...but the election is over and we lost. Time to develop a new strategy to fight what's coming. And it's coming fast...check out what he has already done, they are not wasting any time.
We are all on the same side..
boston bean
(36,223 posts)Babushka
(12 posts)We share a common goal. No doubt about it. But, I do know who eyes are not. THEY ARE HOPING WE FAIL.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)Babushka
(12 posts)All I can offer you is this... pretend there is no list.
When I marched in DC for our right to a safe abortion, I had no flippin idea who even organized it! But I marched all the same. My goal was to support our right to choose.
That is all I was focused on. The idea, not a candidate. THEY COME AND GO, but we have to live our lives.
If you feel you simply can't do this without someone's name being added..then don't go.
Maybe HRC did not want her name on any list... because then all she would hear is the sore losser meme. WOMEN ARE MARCHING BECAUSE SHE LOST... see the trap?
Do not let little things stand in your way... this fight is gonna take a lot of thinking big... no time for hurt feelings.
The earth is warming, people will die without the ACA, and DJT now has the nuclear codes. Now, take a step back and see if you are able to overcome your hurt and sacrifice your feelings for the greater good.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)No answer?
Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)First you heard of it? Guess you were just blissfully unaware,as are some marchers today
DBoon
(22,396 posts)While the National Socialists round both up into concentration camps
A great formula for success
Raine
(30,540 posts)of the march. I guess everyone has to decide what's more important, showing that Trumpism won't be tolerated or hurt feelings. I think Hillary would say "get out there and march!"
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Ask me, one who has been marching for over 45 years, why I should march for anyone who didn't for for Hillary?
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Go, don't go but stop trying to make an incredible show of force against Trump into an insult to Hillary. Virtually everyone there will have voted for her.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)And I Got a bullshit answer.
Yes, the march is against Twitler.
It is also true , save one, EVERY woman I know who is going to march is a strong Hillary supporter.
And these women are marching FOR HER.
And it matters to them, big time. They are marching FOR someone. Who are you to say they are not?
Raine
(30,540 posts)and against what Trump is planning on doing to it, politcians come and go, that's my reason. Anyone marching for Hillary, good for them! I just don't want to see numbers depressed because of squabbling, their side would love that.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)Try to throw a wrench in at the last minute.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Is this going to get us anywhere?
boston bean
(36,223 posts)Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)of the continuing struggle.
Mind you, I don't have any problem with Hillary being on the list, but I expect she'll be there, and I think that is one of the differences.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Including one who individual who ran as Green Party VP twice.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)OhioBlue
(5,126 posts)going to leave Hillary off of it. I don't understand their motives. But, please, let's not make this a point of division. We need to stand together.
Mister Ed
(5,943 posts)Make your signs, and carry them high and proud.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,856 posts)I don't know why the organizers made that list of names in the first place.
The principles should have been sufficient.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)people who are so petty and mean is a real stretch. Although I will do it. But fuck them, and shame on you for trying to shame. Damn just more god damned abuse.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Good grief...it's not a Bernie thing. It's an anti Trump event. I'm getting suspicious about people who keep trying to divide us when the object t is to stand together against Trump. Hillary would not have wanted to have the whole incredible march marginalized by labeling it as "bad Hillary's revenge." She's too smart and politically savvy to allow that to happen.
Now please put a lid on it. You are hurting Hillary by doing this.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)She wasn't asked.
Also, it's not an anti Trump event.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)And who got left off? Many people seem to be taking the position that the event cannot be legitimate if it does not specifically mention Hillary. This demands a choice between the March and Hillary. And it's not even a choice you have to make.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Bella Abzug
Corazon Aquino
Ella Baker
Grace Lee Boggs
Berta Caceres
Rachel Carson
Shirley Chisholm
Angela Davis
Miss Major Griffin Gracy
LaDonna Harris
Dorothy I. Height
bell hooks
Judith Heumann
Dolores Huerta
Marsha P. Johnson
Barbara Jordan
Yuri Kochiyama
Winona LaDuke
Audre Lorde
Wilma Mankiller
Diane Nash
Sylvia Rivera
Barbara Smith
Gloria Steinem
Hannah G. Solomon
Harriet Tubman
Edith Windsor
Malala Yousafzai
Freethinker65
(10,042 posts)I love this site, but it is hardly representative of the hundreds of thousands (if not more) attending the Marches/Rallies. Continue cutting each other down over this while you agree on the other 95% of important issues. I will be at the March/Rally surrounded by people I do not agree 100% with, but I am not going to let that deter me.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)Freethinker65
(10,042 posts)There will be tons of social media exposure. Few will be talking about the official list of honorees. Change.org petitions are fine but the rallies will get at least minor coverage in the media. We all are disgusted with the new administration.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)Blue_Warrior
(135 posts)They want the march to be about women, not about Trump v Hillary part 2. She could be distracting because she's such a celebrity.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)nominee of a major party.
She received more votes than any white male EVER.
Blue_Warrior
(135 posts)And maybe that's the exact reason she was left off? This is supposed to transcend modern political battling (a terrible election only just passed) and push trump to support women's rights.
If Hillary is front and center here, right can just dismiss entire march as sour grapes from a sore loser.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)all political.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)Fox News and the rest of the Deplorables Media, along with the Orange Blob, would be defining it as a sour grapes march.
That would take the shine off of the protest march, and give an excuse for the MSM to dismiss it easier. And I think Hillary herself would be in agreement.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)Hear what they say about republicans.
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)Cha
(297,574 posts)Hillary Clinton's Name Was Omitted From the Women's March Honoree List and People Are Angry
snip//
On Thursday, January 19, the movement released a document about its guiding vision and definition of principles, which included the names of 27 women who have "paved the way" for equal rights. Clinton, who was the first-ever female presidential nominee for a major political party, was not among them and people took notice.
snip//
A petition on Change.org was created in light of the omission. "As activists and allies, we are dismayed that March organizers excluded Hillary Rodham Clinton as an honoree who has inspired women around the world to serve and to lead," the request reads.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/hillary-clintons-name-left-off-womens-march-honoree-list-w462125
Thanks boston..
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)whoever's mad about whatever, here, it looks like a lot of people are still going to this thing.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)read the post you might get a clue as to what is bothering people.
Listen, no one has said don't go to the march. For Christ sakes, I am going. I am pissed about leaving Hillary off a list of women they note as women who are important and trailblazers.
In this historic moment where most of the marchers are hillary supporters, they leave her off a list of honorees. That is petty bullshit and it needs to be called out for ALL WOMEN. WE ALL COUNT!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And then, everyone should move on from the election and look forward. There are millions of people who didn't vote for Trump who also didn't vote for Hillary. We really ought to try and figure out ways to appeal to, or at least reason with, those people. We need to expand our leadership bench, particularly including younger voices, west coast voices, people who aren't afraid to lead, who actually understand the philosophical trends of the electorate.
I don't know about you, but I'm old. I'm okay with the fact that this isn't, really, my century. It's not Donald Trump's century, either. It's not Hillary Clinton's and its not Bernie Sanders's.
This century belongs, first and foremost, to those born in it. Maybe those born in the last decade or so of the last one.
Maybe, just maybe, time for the rest of us to accept the facts and shuffle on a bit. At least make a little more room for these whippersnappers.
Hillary isn't running again. Neither is Bernie Sanders. The primaries are over, so is the election.
But whether or not they add HRC to the list, there are going to be a shit-ton of people at that march, because despite our internal differences there are way more of us than there are of them, and that's what truly matters the most- not who organized the march.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)A Hillary supporter trying to suppress turnout at the Women's March?
Here's a link to the Women's March national co-chairs.
Notice anything about it?????
Anything at all?????
https://www.womensmarch.com/team/
An abundance of Hillary supporters, perhaps?
But NOOOOOOO, you single out one Bernie supporter and try to make it all about an intentional slight against Hillary,
Yea, that's it, this group of women, which just happens to include one of Hillary's campaign co-chairs, got together to slap you in the face.
This is a manufactured outrage.
It's not about Hillary now. It's about stopping Trump.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Accusing the organizers of the Women's March of being a bunch of the same Hillary haters that you want to blame for the election results won't suppress turnout at all
arthritisR_US
(7,291 posts)dignitary of this event? The absence is such a sickening irony given the days ahead.
arthritisR_US
(7,291 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)progressoid
(49,998 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)That's it. No other issues.
Come on, people. We're better than this.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)get the difference?
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)but now I'm not because her name isn't in a list" is kind of making it all about her.
Many feminists were left off that list. I don't see it as a comprehensive list.
emulatorloo
(44,176 posts)Nobody.
They quote Hillary in their guiding principles, but they don't credit her for the quote. That's petty.
Apparently one of the organizers is still butthurt over primary 2016 and needs to shit on Hillary one last time.
That doesn't mean folks are gonna sit home. People are gonna go and stand proud.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)...is baffling.
jalan48
(13,882 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Who chose those names and why certain people were included and others not.
jalan48
(13,882 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)As you recall, I was on your side in that Forum, but you need to give it up.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Cha
(297,574 posts)have every right to speak out about this.
Women's March LV
@WomensMarchLV
We honor those that have fought for us. That includes the woman that won 3,000,000 more votes! @HillaryClinton #WhyIMarch
https://twitter.com/WomensMarchLV/status/822258288091807744/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Adolf Trump and his minions must be laughing their asses off at this weakness in the democratic party and the left in general.
We are doomed if shit like this doesn't stop.
Divide and conquer....
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)will change it. it has been going on since the '90's, and is certainly not confined to republicans.
ALWAYS WITHHER
(2 posts)Amen, boston bean!
This is extremely proboematic.
Add her name already.
Corazon Aquino made the list of honorees, but Hillary is left off? That's spiteful and petty. The amount of hate towards Hillary is astounding and disturbing.
Mike Nelson
(9,966 posts)...when you make a list, you always leave someone off - they should have defined the women and let people make their own lists. Still, to have one and not include Hillary Clinton is a serious error. Without her, there would have been no protest march today.
Vinca
(50,303 posts)fucking list??????? I'm betting she specifically said she didn't, but no one knows for sure. It just seems so much better to keep the division going, doesn't it? Our chances of stopping a Trump second term are already going down by the day. Let's just keep wallowing in the past.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Seems strange that they opted to put a two-time Green Party VP candidate on the list and not the woman who just won the popular vote for president.
Vinca
(50,303 posts)Maybe, in a show of grace, she didn't want the march to be about her. There are all kinds of reasons she might not want to be on the list and I think until she starts complaining herself about not being on the list we're reading too much into it. As for Winona LaDuke - never heard of her before.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Vinca
(50,303 posts)delisen
(6,044 posts)than I had realized.
I know many of you had much better understanding of what the rest of us are just starting to realize.
Today is just the beginning. No one is going to be able to diminish the importance of Clinton going forward.
The forces of evil can't even stop trying to crush her now. She represents the equality and the demand for justice and equality that they hate.
Petty power-grabbers, such as those who want to diminish her importance by erasing her from a parade in order to advance themselves will always be with us but they can't prevail.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)No question. The attempt to marginalize her failed.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)delisen
(6,044 posts)R B Garr
(16,975 posts)You would have to go out of your way to omit Hillary. That is just utterly hostile.