Kellyanne Conway finally admits the audit was just an excuse

[DonViejo]

Unless Congress makes him, we’re never going to see those tax returns

Updated by Matthew Yglesias@[e-mail] Jan 22, 2017, 1:08pm EST

Speaking on ABC News’ Sunday morning show This Week, White House counselor Kellyanne Conway finally admitted what had been plainly obvious to anyone paying attention — Donald Trump is never going to voluntarily release his tax returns, so the American people will never know who he is in debt to, whose payroll he is on, or how he is personally benefitting from the policy decisions he makes as President of the United States.

Her rationale for this unprecedented breach of norms is that “we litigated this all through the election” and “people didn't care.”

-snip-

This is, however, not true on several levels.

First all, the results of an election in which Trump finished two percentage points behind his main opponent certainly don’t support the view that “people didn’t care” about his opponent’s criticisms of her. Second, polls show that a clear majority of the public thinks he should release his tax returns.

Last but by no means least, this isn’t even the issue that was litigated during the election. What was litigated during the election was Trump’s claim that he would release his tax returns in the future, but couldn’t do so yet because they were under audit by the IRS. This was always a fairly transparent lie, but Conway herself used to get quite indignant at people who suggested the Trump campaign wasn’t being on the level.

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http://www.vox.com/2017/1/22/14351062/kellyanne-conway-trump-tax-returns

[Wellstone ruled]

1. Trumps Tax info will come out.

People have filed FOIA requests and they can not deny these files unless they get classified.

[PSPS]

3. Tax returns are not subject to FOIA.

[TrekLuver]

5. And his taxes are subject to FOIA?? This would be fantastic.

[Wellstone ruled]

8. Believe there are a couple requests filed

yesterday or will be tomorrow. Trump is now obligated via Records Law to save and maintain any and all communications both electronic and hard copy.

[cstanleytech]

14. I thought that was limited to only communications that involve government business and not private

communications?

[mopinko]

16. that argument didnt work for hillary.

just sayin.

[cstanleytech]

20. Wasnt her problem largely that she used the same email and or same server for both

her private and government correspondence?

[mopinko]

21. yeah, and she hired lawyers to sort out the obviously useless ones,

then cheeto went around screaming about the "30,00 emails she deleted AFTER she got a subpoena." "who does that?"
um, someone w permission from the court to not turn over irrelevant private communications.

[cstanleytech]

23. At most it only proves she hired the wrong guy to setup her server but

thats an easy mistake to make.

[dixiegrrrrl]

45. but he simply does not give a damn about following any rules or laws

and when pushed on the issue...hell, any issue...he will just lie. Just because.
the only loyalty he has is to himself.

[LenaBaby61]

11. Trumps Tax info will come out.

IF he ever double-crosses or doesn't do what his ex-kbg boy toy wants him to do.

[C_U_L8R]

2. I don't even believe there was an audit.

Trump has zero credibility. He's a liar.

[tecelote]

6. Trumps a liar.

Repeat it everywhere.

[Tanuki]

10. He never produced an audit letter from the IRS. eom

[Bernardo de La Paz]

17. The IRS stated publicly that an audit NEVER interferes with a person releasing returns. . nt

[Tanuki]

37. True. But he never even proved that he was being audited.

He claimed that even though the IRS said that an audit was no barrier to releasing, his attorneys and financial advisers had counseled him not to do so while an audit was ongoing. Absent an audit letter from the IRS, he may have been lying about being audited in the first place. He is apt to lie about anything, so the odds are in favor of the whole "audit" excuse bring just another falsehood.

[msongs]

4. was she called on her lies? the majority of ppl who voted cared so what she said is a lie nt

[mobeau69]

15. I haven't heard that from anyone yet.

They always et that lie go unchallenged.

[calimary]

38. Chuck Todd did - kind of.

On "Meet the Press" this morning he had the woman my husband calls Jodyanne Jerkmeoff on as a guest. First up! About the utter stupidity and pettiness that the very first press conference given by the new White House Press spokesman in the Resident's brand new "administration" (so new it was a mere 48 hours old at the time), is devoted to quibbling and whining about crowd size. Yep. trump always has to be or have the biggest, even when his isn't. And she presented what she called "alternative facts."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/conway-white-house-offers-alternative-facts-media-article-1.2952884

And Chuck Todd actually took her to task on it. But he didn't go all the way. Didn't use the word "lie." He called it a "falsehood." Several times, too. But he didn't go all the way to "lie." He should have. Because that's what she was doing. This was deliberate. A deliberate LIE. I'm surprised he even went as far as "falsehood" but he did do at least that.

[TrekLuver]

7. So far 228K people care ....here's the petition...

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/demand-trump-administration-add-lgbt-rights-climate-change-and-civil-rights-back-list-issues-whgov-site

[csziggy]

24. You posted the wrong link - but you linked to a very good petition!

Here is one for his tax returns:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/immediately-release-donald-trumps-full-tax-returns-all-information-needed-verify-emoluments-clause-compliance

232,822 signed
100,000 goal

There is also this one:
Donald Trump: Resign as President of the United States in Violation of the Emoluments Clause. Release Your Tax Returns

[TrekLuver]

25. I posted the link where you can get into the all the pending petitions at once but thank you.

[bdamomma]

41. thanks csziggy

just signed

[spanone]

9. i think america can safely assume that he is in debt to every country who would carry his debt

and that everything he does is to enrich himself.

[Wellstone ruled]

12. Something says this Guys

Legal team keeps prying eyes from seeing the truth.

[Cha]

32. I'm assuming blotus is past his eyeballs in debt to Russia

[spanone]

33. yep

[mahatmakanejeeves]

13. I have a FOIA manual right here.

Last edited Mon Jan 23, 2017, 01:12 PM - Edit history (4)

March 2007, so it's a bit on the old side. The FOIA Act is 50 years old.

Here's the website:

http://www.usdoj.gov/04foia/04_7.html

If that doesn't work, I'll get a better link tomorrow.

DUer "nitpicker" posts a lot of stuff from Justice. I think http://www.justice.gov/ might be a better starting point.

ETA: "page not found." It's too old.

Try this:

DOJ Guide to the Freedom of Information Act

The Department of Justice Guide to the Freedom of Information Act (2009 Edition)



The United States Department of Justice Guide to the Freedom of Information Act (2009 edition) is a comprehensive legal treatise of the FOIA's procedural requirements, exemptions, and litigation considerations. It contains a detailed analysis of the key judicial opinions issued on the FOIA. The Guide is prepared and updated by the staff of OIP. Any inquiry about the points addressed in the Guide should be made to OIP through its FOIA Counselor Service, at (202) 514-FOIA (3642).

It seems 2009 is the newest edition. The purple one in the lower right hand corner is the 2007 edition.

You can download the whole thing or individual sections.

[colorado_ufo]

18. If he is in danger of violating the emoluments clause

Why can't the tax returns be subpoenaed?

[cstanleytech]

22. They probably could be if you could find a judge willing to issue the subpoena, good luck with that

though and if you can get that good luck not having it thrown out fast.

[LeftInTX]

27. He would only be violating the emoluments clause while he is president.

Since he wasn't president last year, I don't think getting a judge to release them to the public based on that would work.

However, I don't see why they would not be released to the IC as part of an investigation. (Such as a FISA court) I would think the IC may need to know foreign connections if they want to keep the public safe from foreign influence. However, we would not be privy to that.

Next year, it may be a different story because he has been president for a year and if it appears that he is still wheeling and dealing around the world, then I can see his tax records for 2017 being released to congress.

[NCjack]

19. The "excuse" was in fact a lie -- oops, I mean an "alternate fact".n

[Tess49]

26. I keep hoping that the IRS gets hacked, and his tax records are published for all to see. n/t

[bdamomma]

28. that would be interesting

WE WANT TO SEE HIS TAX RETURNS, yes we do.


Don't invoke our names in your illegal affaires.

[Tess49]

30. Exactly. I signed the petition asking for the release of his taxes. I figure I'm going to be

in an internment camp before this is all over.

[Scurrilous]

29. K & R

[Cha]

31. That's always their fucking excuse.. people don't care.

[bdamomma]

34. that

is very disrespectful to us he is NOT above the law. I hope he gets nailed for this. It's always about him.

[Cha]

39. And, then comes the part that is "they don't care".

So blotus getting "nailed" should be upper most on everyone's mind who cares about our country and Democracy.

I know it is on mine, bdamomma

[Horse with no Name]

35. his sycophants don't

However....they are not his ONLY bosses.
We are and now we DEMAND he show his returns.

[Cha]

40. Exactly, Horse.. that's just their brush off.. we'll

see who does care and how much it counts.

[bdamomma]

42. you know if we

keep on this everyday with phone calls either to our Senators DC or local offices they will have to listen.

1 202 225 3121 everyday call

Monday say NO to DeVos. And we want to see Tax Returns. Let's do this.

[Cha]

43. 1 202 225 3121 everyday call Thank you, bdamomma!

"Monday say NO to DeVos. And we want to see Tax Returns. Let's do this."

Mahalo!

[bdamomma]

44. no problem

Cha

[Adsos Letter]

36. She is the queen of indignation.

Vituperative, quaking, sputtering indignation...

For money.

[dalton99a]

46. Alternative fact: She is the 2nd nicest and most beautiful woman on the planet.

1st place is the boss' wife Malaria.