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Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 05:51 AM Jan 2017

Three, Just 3 Senators could restore balance.

If 3 senators change party affiliation to the Democratic Party, some sort of balance will be restored..
Checks and balances are needed to protect this country. They are inherent in the way the system works.. Can this happen? Why Not? If the leader of a foreign country can hack our election to change the outcome and put Trump into power, than anything can happen.
Willl it happen..?? Probably Not.....But...It could....

That is up to three Republican Senators who would wish to restore the checks and balances that our system relies on...and was founded on. It ain't up to me.................

.It is up to any three that care more about the U.S.A. than the Republican Party...

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Three, Just 3 Senators could restore balance. (Original Post) Stuart G Jan 2017 OP
We should hope for this miracle. The country really needs these conscientious objectors to evil. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2017 #1
Yes, a miracle..thanks for saying that..."consientious objectors to evil" Stuart G Jan 2017 #2
We need to pick the 3 most vulnerable Senators up for re-election in 2 years Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #16
I disagree... Blanks Jan 2017 #30
Logical Candidates Would Be Old Timers That.... global1 Jan 2017 #3
John McCain QED Jan 2017 #7
Two More..... global1 Jan 2017 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author global1 Jan 2017 #18
Susan Collins NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #21
They don't even have to change how they vote. eggplant Jan 2017 #4
Nice thought but Repubs are bound by blood pact to Lucifer. dae Jan 2017 #5
for real, it is career suicide starshine00 Jan 2017 #17
Couldn't they switch to (I)? n/t LisaM Jan 2017 #6
Not likely to do it. It cuts against their establishment sensibilities. Ford_Prefect Jan 2017 #8
As workable as this Idea is, it's unlikely to happen. Hugin Jan 2017 #9
Or, at least, pull a Stafford and go independent. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #10
This will never happen watoos Jan 2017 #11
Perhaps who ever did this would be Erick Cantored..Ok.. Stuart G Jan 2017 #19
The Kochs prefer Pence anyway nt marylandblue Jan 2017 #32
Nice idea Sherman A1 Jan 2017 #13
McCain, Collins and Graham come to mind.... n/t secondwind Jan 2017 #14
Ben Sasse, McCain, Graham, Collins and maybe Flake. phleshdef Jan 2017 #15
It is so scary to find that the survival of our Country is now reliant annabanana Jan 2017 #20
The 'checks and balances' comes from our three branches of government... Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #22
Inherent in the system...is one branch never gets too powerful.. Stuart G Jan 2017 #23
The Constitution doesn't even mention political parties... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #25
I don't agree that it is inherent to the system... Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #31
It is inherent in the system ...checks and balances.. Senate checks House, both check President, etc Stuart G Jan 2017 #34
You said "Inherent in the system...is one branch never gets too powerful.." Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #35
The Senate does not 'check' the House and verse visa.......well...well...well... Stuart G Jan 2017 #36
The problem is that you are misguided on the meaning of 'checks and balances'... Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #37
They don't need to change parties.... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #24
There is a big difference if they were to change party. drray23 Jan 2017 #27
and if they don't the Senate Democrats can still stop the insanity still_one Jan 2017 #26
Basically what they did to us the last 8 years....nt Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #28
yes, except in this case we would actually be trying to save the country. still_one Jan 2017 #29
won't happen NewJeffCT Jan 2017 #33
McCain -- maybe Collins and Graham. Tatiana Jan 2017 #38

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
2. Yes, a miracle..thanks for saying that..."consientious objectors to evil"
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 05:59 AM
Jan 2017

Well said..and words we need to remember....thank you for posting them.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
16. We need to pick the 3 most vulnerable Senators up for re-election in 2 years
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:00 AM
Jan 2017

and bombard their offices with promises of support if they play ball!

Hope without action is false hope!

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
30. I disagree...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:35 PM
Jan 2017

I think we need to pick three with their eye on the presidency.

Convince them that going against the administration early will make them stand out.

global1

(25,245 posts)
3. Logical Candidates Would Be Old Timers That....
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 06:55 AM
Jan 2017

wouldn't be seeking another term. Ones that would be retiring from politics after their current term.

Do any Repug Senators meet that qualification?

Response to QED (Reply #7)

Hugin

(33,139 posts)
9. As workable as this Idea is, it's unlikely to happen.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 07:32 AM
Jan 2017

The Tea Baggers Christofascists have been universally successful with their pogrom and pusche.

Eric Cantor was the last non-"Christian" Republican legislator and I remember thinking when he was primaried, something was afoot. Sadly, today, we can see the fruits of what was sown.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
11. This will never happen
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 07:56 AM
Jan 2017

Whoever did this would get Eric Cantored. The Kochs would rain down bushels of money to demonize them and defeat them.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
19. Perhaps who ever did this would be Erick Cantored..Ok..
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:51 AM
Jan 2017

But, and here is the important idea...are those three willing to sacrifice their careers to save the political democracy that we have here?...

please allow a short diversion and a story...There was a congressman from upper Michigan. A Democrat whose name I forget. He came from what seemed to be a relatively conservative area. When the vote came on the Affordable Care Act...many of his constituents were against it, and there was a question as to weather he would vote for the act..He did vote in favor, although the pressure was incredible against him. The key vote on advancing that act was 214 to212 ................ (or something very similar,..2 votes)
....2 votes.....I recall that this person did not run for reelection....was it worth it?....Since this act came into being, thousands of people's lives have been saved, and children have gotten care when they wouldn't have. Many medical issues were caught early and not late, Complications were avoided that would have cost tens of thousands, and created conditions that could have been extremely dangerous or life threatening...especially to children....

Now you tell me...was it worth it for that Michigan congressman to vote for the ACA and then retire?..So if three Republican senators change their party to save the U.S.A. and put a check on Mr. Drumph and McConnell...do you think it would be worth it in the long run?...in the short run?? even if they have to retire?..Ain't this a decent enough country to sacrifice a career over?...Just think about that one..

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
13. Nice idea
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:14 AM
Jan 2017

but, I suspect rather unlikely to happen. Now, you might see some change their voting patterns, but party not so much.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
20. It is so scary to find that the survival of our Country is now reliant
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:52 AM
Jan 2017

on the badly compromised Republican party

 

Talk Is Cheap

(389 posts)
22. The 'checks and balances' comes from our three branches of government...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 12:26 PM
Jan 2017

...As in the Congress (House and Senate), the President, and the judiciary.

The people decide (if we have legitimate elections) the composition of the Congress and the President....

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
23. Inherent in the system...is one branch never gets too powerful..
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:11 PM
Jan 2017

.....If one party controls all three branches...it gets too powerful..If, say, the Democrats controlled the Senate...and everything remains the same..there would be some check on the office of the President..as there was meant to be in the writing of the Constitution
.......Absolute power, corrupts absolutely!!!!!!!!!

Trump and the Republicans have potential power that could destroy lots (you fill in the blank________________)

So, a check on that is necessary...now the media...may step up...(I said ..may) but if there were a Democratic Senate..it would ensure safety..

Still the Drumpf...is an illegal ...leader...and we all know that...
...

Wounded Bear

(58,649 posts)
25. The Constitution doesn't even mention political parties...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:16 PM
Jan 2017

Were the Founding Father naive and believe that if they left that out it wouldn't happen? It is well documented that many of them abhorred political parties. Unfortunately, parties have taken over the system, and one party has definitely gone over the edge.

 

Talk Is Cheap

(389 posts)
31. I don't agree that it is inherent to the system...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:59 PM
Jan 2017

It is true that if one party controls all three branches - it gets to powerful. Would you be saying that if the Dems controlled all three branches? If that is what the voters wanted, then it is following the rules of our democracy (aka democratic republic).

Besides the three branches of government, the press is suppose to keep our government in check as well. But the press is corporate owned for the most part.

And, of course, legitimate elections keep the Congress and the Presidency in check as well. But, that's just it - we do not have legitimate elections - election fraud is rampant in America and cost us this election.

The purpose of my original comment was to correct the idea that 'checks and balances' means having equal or relatively equal party distribution in the Houses...

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
34. It is inherent in the system ...checks and balances.. Senate checks House, both check President, etc
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 02:09 PM
Jan 2017

The writers of the Constitution wanted no one branch to control the efforts of others.........that is what they wanted...They did not envision a strong president, who would issue such orders.. Writers were totally against one party controlling everything......Their view was that one branch would check another..Thus, Federal Judges appointed for ....life...

also, the writers of the Constitution did not even envision .......political parties.....as you say in your first sentence...........as...there were none when the Constitution was written

 

Talk Is Cheap

(389 posts)
35. You said "Inherent in the system...is one branch never gets too powerful.."
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 02:15 PM
Jan 2017

The checks and balances is Congress (House and Senate) v Presidency v Judiciary.

The Senate does not 'check' the House and verse visa.

And actually, the framers did envision a 'strong president'. That's why there is impeachment, the Congress and the judiciary.

Stuart G

(38,421 posts)
36. The Senate does not 'check' the House and verse visa.......well...well...well...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 02:31 PM
Jan 2017

OH MY.....

....... ... ....

...........OH MY................... SO.......one part of the legislature does not check another?...the Senate can pass one law..and the House can pass another...and both become law...or........(well no..!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

They have to work out some kind of compromise..and revote the compromise law...(they set up something called a.....CONFERENCE COMMITTEE.. in order to work out the compromise..if................

IF....the compromise law..(that is worked out in committee) is not passed again, by both houses of the legislature. (that is the same new law in both houses).....then guess. what....the law does not pass.. then.............. guess what.............the NEW LAW..DIES..............that is correct....

The exact same law must be passed by both houses of legislature,,,,they must agree on a compromise..thus...The Senate..checks the House..and visa versa...

OH MY.......................................... ............................you need to go back to grammar school..

Wounded Bear

(58,649 posts)
24. They don't need to change parties....
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:13 PM
Jan 2017

they just need to start voting with the best interests of the country prioritized over their party policies and covering their tired asses.

Act like Americans, not like Republicans.

drray23

(7,627 posts)
27. There is a big difference if they were to change party.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:21 PM
Jan 2017

Voting with us is one thing but mcconnel would still drive the agenda. If thet were to switch to dems, schumer would be able to simply not introduce the crasy ass bills coming from the house.
I dont think we are going to see that happen however.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
26. and if they don't the Senate Democrats can still stop the insanity
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 01:20 PM
Jan 2017

"Senate Democrats have a powerful tool at their disposal, if they choose to use it, for resisting a president who has no mandate and cannot claim to embody the popular will. That tool lies in the simple but fitting act of withholding consent. An organized effort to do so on the Senate floor can bring the body to its knees and block or severely slow down the agenda of a president who does not represent the majority of Americans."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/27/democrats-in-congress-can-block-trumps-agenda-if-they-want-to-heres-how/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.b5d8c6dc4cc2

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
33. won't happen
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 02:01 PM
Jan 2017

they may vote against their party on occasion, but I highly doubt they'd switch parties.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
38. McCain -- maybe Collins and Graham.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 02:46 PM
Jan 2017

Collins is wishy-washy and a bit of a coward, so who knows? McCain will do as he wants and Graham will probably follow McCain. This doesn't give me much hope. The other Repukes will fall in line.

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