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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSecond in a series: Why do Deplorables hate Muslims?
The first question in my series was "Why do Deplorables hate Mexicans?" I have went to college with, worked beside, and hung out with Muslims. They were like everybody else.
Treating every Muslim as if he or she is a nascent Osama bin Laden is neither prudent nor moral.
I know Deplorables like to cherry pick and rip out of context quotes from the Koran but you can do that with any Holy Book.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)Maybe the Sunday preacher? Maybe a talk radio hater. They don't know anything about Muslims.
madaboutharry
(40,210 posts)don't know, have never spoken to, nor have even met a Muslim person.
A lot of these people never leave the county they were born in. They see no reason to be curious about the larger world. They don't read, travel, or even go anywhere except work, church, and grocery shopping. They're afraid of what they don't understand. My father's family is full of people like this. The world is terrifying to them.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)Anne Frank was rejected by the US before WW2. 69% of Americans did not want Vietnamese to resettle here and we have never owed a debt to refugees like we owe to the Vietnamese. We should be paying them reparations. Old money hates new money....see Caddyshack.
People tend not to like Johnny Come Lately's.
Plus....Hollywood is always bringing up terrorism. After the Super Bowl, the new 24 starts. Guess who the the good guy was fighting? Evil terrorists in Yemen.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)But there was a SCOTUS case in the 70s where Louisianan fishermen were harassing Vietnamese American fishermen. I thought to myself that letting them fish in peace was a small price for wrecking their nation.
MountCleaners
(1,148 posts)I was just reading about this recently:
https://www.splcenter.org/seeking-justice/case-docket/vietnamese-fishermens-association-v-knights-ku-klux-klan
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)damn near every TV/Movie bad guy since the end of the cold war has been a Muslim extremist. That can't help since this is really all about fear.
Bettie
(16,107 posts)but not the only one.
They hate anyone who isn't just like them.
Muslims are an easy target, because they follow the "wrong" religion.
But, they hate almost everyone who isn't one of them.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)It's not like al-Qaeda is planning an assault on the Bumfuck, AL, Walmart. Nor would they ever.
ismnotwasm
(41,980 posts)And when it comes to abusing women--they want women abused only by good, (white) Christian values.
logosoco
(3,208 posts)religious people together. Both Christians and Muslims (not all, just the loudest ones) seem to have a desire to believe in some special creator who gave them a list of specific rules to go by and if anyone else does not see this list in the same way they do is an enemy.
I feel almost a bigot for thinking this way! But it is how it looks from my angle. The Muslims and Christians are more alike than they are different, so I don't understand how they can ever claim to be at odds with each other.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Just as all the Deplorables see all Muslims in the light of radicals, you are seeing all religion in the light of fundamentalism. I don't think Christianity or Islam are at fault, only people twisted by an ultra-literal, fear driven version of their religion that permits hate and intolerance. Neither the majority of Christians or Muslims think in that way.
I do think we need to start distinguishing the "evangelicals" with a more honest term, I call them "radical Christian extremists."
logosoco
(3,208 posts)The main problem really is the LOUD ones, the ones who take it to the extreme. It seems like they are in the majority but I don't really think statistically they are.
I agree with your term "radical Christian extremists" and I wonder if they realized that is what they were doing they would have an epiphany. Based on the results of the last election and the ideas of the current administration, I don't think that will happen. I think they are emboldened and that is very troubling.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I consider myself a Christian and I know I will have a lot to explain for my despisal of Deplorables. I am disregarding the Biblical admonition to love your enemies and overcome evil with good. I can't help it. I'm flawed.
I know what I believe and will leave the judging to God.
ck4829
(35,076 posts)Right-wing authoritarianism (RWA) is a personality and ideological variable studied in political, social, and personality psychology. Right-wing authoritarians are people who have a high degree of willingness to submit to authorities they perceive as established and legitimate, who adhere to societal conventions and norms, and who are hostile and punitive in their attitudes towards people who don't adhere to them. They value uniformity and are in favour of using group authority, including coercion, to achieve it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism
Because Muslims have a different religion, because they have different standards of dress and fashion, because they look different, because they have things that set them apart; this means hostility against them is OK, it's OK to have a government that is against them.
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Eliminationism
Eliminationism is the belief that one's political opponents are "a cancer on the body politic that must be excisedeither by separation from the public at large, through censorship or by outright exterminationin order to protect the purity of the nation".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliminationism
Some of the rhetoric posed by the right suggests this; "creeping shariah" conspiracy theories, Michael Flynn explicitly saying this, calling Muslims infiltrators, etc.
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System justification
System justification theory (SJT) is a theory within social psychology that serves a psychologically palliative function. It proposes that people have several underlying needs, which vary from individual to individual, that can be satisfied by the defense and justification of the status quo, even when the system may be disadvantageous to certain people. People have epistemic, existential, and relational needs that are met by and manifest as ideological support for the prevailing structure of social, economic, and political norms. Need for order and stability, and thus resistance to change or alternatives, for example, can be a motivator for individuals to see the status quo as good, legitimate, and even desirable.
According to system justification theory, people desire not only to hold favorable attitudes about themselves (ego-justification) and the groups to which they belong (group-justification), but also to hold positive attitudes about the overarching social structure in which they are entwined and find themselves obligated to (system-justification). This system-justifying motive sometimes produces the phenomenon known as out-group favoritism, an acceptance of inferiority among low-status groups and a positive image of relatively higher status groups. Thus, the notion that individuals are simultaneously supporters and victims of the system-instilled norms is a central idea in system justification theory. Additionally, the passive ease of supporting the current structure, when compared to the potential price (material, social, psychological) of acting out against the status quo, leads to a shared environment in which the existing social, economic, and political arrangements tend to be preferred. Alternatives to the status quo tend to be disparaged, and inequality tends to perpetuate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_justification
If you were someone with this view, it doesn't matter if you know individual Muslims who are genuinely wonderful people, it doesn't matter if you have Muslim coworkers, employees, or customers, it doesn't matter if you have a Muslim doctor; because of refugees coming in, because Muslims are the outgroup, and because of 9/11 and because we had a conflict in Afghanistan and Iraq, it continues to justify making the entire class of Muslim into an enemy.
Calculating
(2,955 posts)Christians and Muslims have a long standing conflict going back to the crusades pretty much. They're terrified beyond words of Islam gaining a foothold here in America. They also hate how Islam tends to be a religion that oppresses women( while oppressing women themselves through draconian abortion/birth control restrictions). There's also some kind of belief that the end of the world will come with a "Final Conflict" between Christians and Muslims, and certain Christians WANT this final conflict because they believe it will lead to the second coming.
TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)I say since when the hell do Republicans and their followers care about gays? They think their religion doesn't have a bloody, oppressive past (and present)...that was "long ago" so it doesn't count.
TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)taking over. Fear of being "attacked"...it's all rooted in fear and it has been whipped up and stoked. Then you get the supporting propaganda that reinforces those fears and they become more firmly entrenched.
I say how strong was your identity in the first place if you fear it can be so easily squashed? Huh..huh huh????