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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 06:40 PM Feb 2017

Siegleman OUT ON WEDNESDAY - Finally ! The good Don

Former AL Gov. Don Siegelman to be released from prison Wednesday
WSFA 12 News Staff
Posted: 02/06/2017 3:09 PM
http://m.wbrc.com/myfoxal/db/330638/content/ckKD6gzm

MONTGOMERY, AL (WSFA) - Former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman has been told that he will be released from prison on Wednesday, according to his former aide, Chip Hill.
Hill said Siegelman will be on very restricted supervised probation for an initial period of time, which is expected to last about six months.

Following that probationary period, Siegelman will be on unsupervised probation for an extended, but not yet specified period of time.

Hill said that after he returns home, the former governor will report to an assigned probation officer who will provide him with much more detailed information about what restrictions he will have, including specifics regarding media access.

"Naturally, his family and many friends are very excited about his release and very much look forward to seeing him," Hill said.

Siegelman, who is serving a six-and-a-half year sentence in Oakdale, Louisiana, for bribery and obstruction of justice, posted to his online site back during Thanksgiving that he could be released as early as Feb.
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Siegleman OUT ON WEDNESDAY - Finally ! The good Don (Original Post) Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2017 OP
Hooray! raging moderate Feb 2017 #1
At last!!!! The Blue Flower Feb 2017 #2
People would have been diss appointed if President Blue_true Feb 2017 #4
Obama was on the way out... choie Feb 2017 #6
He should have had Governor Siegleman released YEARS ago, elleng Feb 2017 #7
Did he ever say anything about it? Any rationale. Trump's probably already done tens times worse Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2017 #8
I found this on the Department of Justice website rpannier Feb 2017 #16
The President does not have to follow DOJ rules on pardons. former9thward Feb 2017 #19
I changed my post. I found this rpannier Feb 2017 #15
Was it federal charges? IronLionZion Feb 2017 #9
It was federal. former9thward Feb 2017 #20
President Obama can't pardon state convictions even if he wanted to yeoman6987 Feb 2017 #18
It was a federal charge. former9thward Feb 2017 #21
Oh thanks. For some reason I thought I read elsewhere that it was state yeoman6987 Feb 2017 #26
mine too. barbtries Feb 2017 #35
Thanks goodness, elleng Feb 2017 #3
Yep Glamrock Feb 2017 #10
This gives me chills that he will finally, mercifully, get to go home. GregD Feb 2017 #5
I'd like someone who knows him to ask Obama why he didn't pardon Siegelman. n/t MrModerate Feb 2017 #11
Agreed. It would have been a positive move by Obama. (nt) Paladin Feb 2017 #13
he never commented did he.? Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2017 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Sugarcoated Feb 2017 #40
He should watch out for Rove trying to plant something in his car. kairos12 Feb 2017 #12
May be write a best selling novel! ffr Feb 2017 #17
I knew him back in the day. We worked together on campaigns and he was just the coolest guy. Such Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2017 #32
K&R! Wonderful news! Finally! Rhiannon12866 Feb 2017 #22
I want Siegalman to work with Obama for justice reform. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2017 #23
Wow ! What a fantastic idea. A Dem braintrust to analyze President Quack's every move. Coupled Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2017 #30
This is long overdue, but I'm glad he's getting out. subterranean Feb 2017 #24
Right, like what's he gonna do? Go out and bribe an official? absurdity to the nth. Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2017 #31
So happy that he will be released! lucca18 Feb 2017 #25
We need a top tier Democrat from AL to run for the US Senate to replace AG Sessions. nkpolitics1212 Feb 2017 #27
Even though Pres Obama doesn't have to give a reason for denial of DS' pardon request, I'm willing.. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2017 #28
+100 greatauntoftriplets Feb 2017 #29
I've been vocally supportive of DS since learning about his case, listening to Thom Hartmann SticksnStones Feb 2017 #33
It was a Federal conviction. Sugarcoated Feb 2017 #41
I don't understand. A federal conviction is exactly the type he would have been able to pardon. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2017 #42
Meant to say state charges, sorry Sugarcoated Feb 2017 #43
OIC. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2017 #44
Just read posts above....now I'm not sure which it was Sugarcoated Feb 2017 #45
finally! barbtries Feb 2017 #34
In better days Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2017 #36
what a travesty this is heaven05 Feb 2017 #37
About time HelenWheels Feb 2017 #38
Siegelman spent more time in prison barbtries Feb 2017 #46
He best walk the straight and narrow, Cryptoad Feb 2017 #39

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
4. People would have been diss appointed if President
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 06:50 PM
Feb 2017

Obama didn't commute Chealse Manning's sentence. The guy only had so much latitude, he had to prioritize issues and causes, something some people can't seem to grasp.

elleng

(130,905 posts)
7. He should have had Governor Siegleman released YEARS ago,
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 06:56 PM
Feb 2017

before anyone had heard of Chelsea Manning.

Deep politics intervened when it should not have.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
8. Did he ever say anything about it? Any rationale. Trump's probably already done tens times worse
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 07:01 PM
Feb 2017

in two weeks

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
16. I found this on the Department of Justice website
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 08:00 PM
Feb 2017

Information and Instructions on Pardons

snip

2. Federal convictions only

Under the Constitution, only federal criminal convictions, such as those adjudicated in the United States District Courts, may be pardoned by the President. In addition, the President's pardon power extends to convictions adjudicated in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia and military court-martial proceedings. However, the President cannot pardon a state criminal offense. Accordingly, if you are seeking clemency for a state criminal conviction, you should not complete and submit this petition. Instead, you should contact the Governor or other appropriate authorities of the state where you reside or where the conviction occurred (such as the state board of pardons and paroles) to determine whether any relief is available to you under state law. If you have a federal conviction, information about the conviction may be obtained from the clerk of the federal court where you were convicted.

3. Five-year waiting period required

Under the Department's rules governing petitions for executive clemency, 28 C.F.R. §§ 1.1 et seq., an applicant must satisfy a minimum waiting period of five years before he becomes eligible to apply for a presidential pardon of his federal conviction. The waiting period, which is designed to afford the petitioner a reasonable period of time in which to demonstrate an ability to lead a responsible, productive and law-abiding life, begins on the date of the petitioner's release from confinement. Alternatively, if the conviction resulted in a sentence that did not include any form of confinement, including community or home confinement, the waiting period begins on the date of sentencing. In addition, the petitioner should have fully satisfied the penalty imposed, including all probation, parole, or supervised release before applying for clemency. Moreover, the waiting period begins upon release from confinement for your most recent conviction, whether or not this is the offense for which pardon is sought. You may make a written request for a waiver of this requirement. However, waiver of any portion of the waiting period is rarely granted and then only in the most exceptional circumstances. In order to request a waiver, you must complete the pardon application form and submit it with a cover letter explaining why you believe the waiting period should be waived in your case.

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If it had been a state conviction, he cannot pardon
If it were a federal one, there is still a five year waiting period
Did Seigelman apply for one?

former9thward

(32,006 posts)
19. The President does not have to follow DOJ rules on pardons.
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 08:23 PM
Feb 2017

His power to pardon (or commute) anyone who has been convicted or could be convicted of a federal crime can't be restricted by the DOJ or anyone else. Nixon was pardoned by Ford and he had not even been convicted of a crime. There was no waiting period. Nixon never applied for a pardon. I could give many other examples. Obama had full power to pardon Seigelman at anytime after Noon, January 20, 2009 until the end of his terms.

The DOJ puts out these rules to keep the Pardon Office from being deluged by requests -- not to limit the president's power.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
15. I changed my post. I found this
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 07:55 PM
Feb 2017

From the Department of Justice website:

Information and Instructions on Pardons

snip

2. Federal convictions only

Under the Constitution, only federal criminal convictions, such as those adjudicated in the United States District Courts, may be pardoned by the President. In addition, the President's pardon power extends to convictions adjudicated in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia and military court-martial proceedings. However, the President cannot pardon a state criminal offense. Accordingly, if you are seeking clemency for a state criminal conviction, you should not complete and submit this petition. Instead, you should contact the Governor or other appropriate authorities of the state where you reside or where the conviction occurred (such as the state board of pardons and paroles) to determine whether any relief is available to you under state law. If you have a federal conviction, information about the conviction may be obtained from the clerk of the federal court where you were convicted.

3. Five-year waiting period required

Under the Department's rules governing petitions for executive clemency, 28 C.F.R. §§ 1.1 et seq., an applicant must satisfy a minimum waiting period of five years before he becomes eligible to apply for a presidential pardon of his federal conviction. The waiting period, which is designed to afford the petitioner a reasonable period of time in which to demonstrate an ability to lead a responsible, productive and law-abiding life, begins on the date of the petitioner's release from confinement. Alternatively, if the conviction resulted in a sentence that did not include any form of confinement, including community or home confinement, the waiting period begins on the date of sentencing. In addition, the petitioner should have fully satisfied the penalty imposed, including all probation, parole, or supervised release before applying for clemency. Moreover, the waiting period begins upon release from confinement for your most recent conviction, whether or not this is the offense for which pardon is sought. You may make a written request for a waiver of this requirement. However, waiver of any portion of the waiting period is rarely granted and then only in the most exceptional circumstances. In order to request a waiver, you must complete the pardon application form and submit it with a cover letter explaining why you believe the waiting period should be waived in your case.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
26. Oh thanks. For some reason I thought I read elsewhere that it was state
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 09:24 PM
Feb 2017

Then you are right it's disappointing.

Glamrock

(11,800 posts)
10. Yep
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 07:02 PM
Feb 2017

I emailed and called the white house regarding the governor....too no avail. Would love to know the actual reason this sentence was allowed to stand.

Response to MrModerate (Reply #11)

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
32. I knew him back in the day. We worked together on campaigns and he was just the coolest guy. Such
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 11:36 PM
Feb 2017

a bright star, up and comer for us. And, to see pics of him now is just heartbreaking. He pretty much gave up the prime of his life. And THEY did it to him.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,120 posts)
23. I want Siegalman to work with Obama for justice reform.
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 09:08 PM
Feb 2017

It could draw attention to political punishment in the age of Trump. Vitally important.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
30. Wow ! What a fantastic idea. A Dem braintrust to analyze President Quack's every move. Coupled
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 11:33 PM
Feb 2017

with a great trial lawyer team !

subterranean

(3,427 posts)
24. This is long overdue, but I'm glad he's getting out.
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 09:18 PM
Feb 2017

Don't know why he has to be on such restrictive probation, though, given the nature of his supposed crime.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
28. Even though Pres Obama doesn't have to give a reason for denial of DS' pardon request, I'm willing..
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 09:34 PM
Feb 2017

to bet that there's something in the records we aren't privy to that disturbed Obama enough to refuse. I have nothing against Siegelman, but I also have enough faith in Barack Obama to know that his reasoning was well thought out.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
33. I've been vocally supportive of DS since learning about his case, listening to Thom Hartmann
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 08:58 AM
Feb 2017

and I have to agree...I have enough faith in the integrity and character of Barack Obama to say there's got to be more to this than is publically known.

Karl Rove is a turd but he's not unstoppable...

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
42. I don't understand. A federal conviction is exactly the type he would have been able to pardon.
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 03:58 PM
Feb 2017

Correct me if I'm wrong?

barbtries

(28,794 posts)
34. finally!
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 09:38 AM
Feb 2017

how can they muzzle him as part of his probation?!
his story needs to be told far and wide. never should have spent even one second in jail.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
37. what a travesty this is
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 12:27 PM
Feb 2017

He should NEVER have spent a day in prison...that other evil midget Rove did this......and got away with it....I don't know background but with Roves hand in this....something has to stink. I hope Siegleman can clear his name.....

barbtries

(28,794 posts)
46. Siegelman spent more time in prison
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:13 PM
Feb 2017

than the woman who killed my daughter. i find it hard to even imagine the frustration he's had to deal with over these years.

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