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elleng

(130,895 posts)
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 11:39 PM Feb 2017

I don't want to get too much ahead of events but

imagine trump's reaction if/when the Supremes let the stay remain in effect.

'A ruling by the court on Mr. Trump’s travel ban on seven predominantly Muslim countries could help answer some crucial legal questions: How much independent constitutional authority does the president have over immigration, and how much power has Congress given him?

The likely answer to both questions: a lot. But other parts of the Constitution may temper or defeat that power. Among them are the due process and equal protection clauses and the First Amendment’s ban on government establishment of religion. . .

Many trial judges around the country have blocked aspects of Mr. Trump’s executive order. But none have issued an order as broad as the one by Judge James Robart, a federal judge in Seattle, who blocked the key parts of the executive order, which had suspended travel from the seven countries and limited the nation’s refugee program.'>>>

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/us/politics/trump-immigration-law.html?

See trump and watch the world respond!

Oral argument tomorrow will be FASCINATING, and then . . . .



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I don't want to get too much ahead of events but (Original Post) elleng Feb 2017 OP
an asshole of his magnitude may just tell the courts to go fuck themselves. spanone Feb 2017 #1
My thought exactly, and THEN, elleng Feb 2017 #2
I hope it's 8-0. madaboutharry Feb 2017 #3
The Supreme Court will suddenly become "the so-called Supreme Court." The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #4
Are you listening to "The Last Word" tonight. That Judge is a pretty savvy guy. napi21 Feb 2017 #5
Yes, watching. elleng Feb 2017 #6
Trump is toast. Think forward to dealing with Pence. amerikat Feb 2017 #7
Yes we do. elleng Feb 2017 #8
Exactly. amerikat Feb 2017 #12
Dealing with Pence would be the opposite of the Con. Everything would be about inserting napi21 Feb 2017 #9
If Trump gets impeached and removed, the GOP will vanlassie Feb 2017 #10
I HOPE you're correct about this. elleng Feb 2017 #11
Me too! vanlassie Feb 2017 #13

elleng

(130,895 posts)
2. My thought exactly, and THEN,
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 11:43 PM
Feb 2017

what do We the People and our Representatives do? Will we/Can we just let it GO?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,691 posts)
4. The Supreme Court will suddenly become "the so-called Supreme Court."
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 11:48 PM
Feb 2017

Even if Gorsuch is confirmed and is on the Court by the time the case gets there, he, too, would probably rule against the EO. I'm saying this not because I think Gorsuch should be confirmed (I don't, but realistically he probably will be), but because he is a big fan of Scalia. And Scalia once said about the Korematsu case (upholding the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII), that Justice Jackson's dissenting opinion in that case was the past court opinion he admired most, adding "It was nice to know that at least somebody on the court realized that that was wrong."

When the Supreme Court ruled against Nixon, ordering him to turn over the secret tapes, Nixon complied even though he knew he'd be ruined. At the time, though, I recall a fair amount of discussion about whether he might refuse to turn over the tapes and even use the military to barricade himself in the WH. It wouldn't surprise me if Trump tried to ignore a Supreme Court order, though, because he's way crazier than Nixon ever was.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
5. Are you listening to "The Last Word" tonight. That Judge is a pretty savvy guy.
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 11:51 PM
Feb 2017

He asked how many terrorists actions have been done by people from these Countries? What justification do you have for issuing this ban? I don't recall everything he said, but the attorneys from Justice didn't have answers. From what I heard Con & co. don't stand much of a chance in their appeal.

elleng

(130,895 posts)
6. Yes, watching.
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 11:58 PM
Feb 2017

THAT judge, and those on the 9th Circuit who will hear it next, are mostly pretty 'savvy,' each in their own way.

Right, the Government attorney had no response. Sure feel sorry for her!

REALLY looking forward to tomorrow's Argument!

elleng

(130,895 posts)
8. Yes we do.
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 12:13 AM
Feb 2017

Pence will do the abhorrent in the 'proper,/standard' ways, along with a vice president, a real substantive nightmare, but presumably without nuclear war.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
9. Dealing with Pence would be the opposite of the Con. Everything would be about inserting
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 12:16 AM
Feb 2017

HIS religious beliefs into Federal Law.

vanlassie

(5,670 posts)
10. If Trump gets impeached and removed, the GOP will
Tue Feb 7, 2017, 12:16 AM
Feb 2017

be seriously weakened. Pence will not be able to run roughshod.

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