Kellyanne Conway may have just violated ban on Federal employee using public office for endorsement

[kpete]

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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/kellyanne-conway-tells-fox-news-viewers-to-go-buy-ivankas-stuff-go-buy-it-today/

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Here you go Kellyane:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/5/2635.702

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[bighart]

1. i heard her say it.

She even said "free comercial" in her remarks

Disgusted with the whole bunch.

[VMA131Marine]

2. But who will prosecute her for it? .......

Laws only matter if they are enforced. I don’t see our shiny new Attorney General doing anything about this. We now have the government of a banana republic.

[joshdawg]

17. Yep, sessions won't touch this with a ten foot pole, after all

IOKIYAR.

She should be fired, but....................

[progressoid]

37. Right.

Just like all the talk of impeachment. Doesn't matter if no one wants to prosecute.

[shraby]

3. trump did that too. If it's a no-no for her, where is the admonition for him?

[Ms. Toad]

13. Seriously? Take a quick scroll through GD and LBN

I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for. There were numerous threads in both forums yesterday, when his was having his little tweet-fest.

[fishwax]

21. it may be illegal for her but not be illegal for him

That doesn't mean it isn't pathetic, outrageous, or unethical for him, and he deserves all the heat he's gotten, here and elsewhere. As to the law, though, it appears the law quoted in the OP (though there may be others that apply) specifically excludes the President and vice president:

Employee means any officer or employee of an agency, including a special Government employee. It includes officers but not enlisted members of the uniformed services. It includes employees of a State or local government or other organization who are serving on detail to an agency, pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 3371, et seq. For purposes other than subparts B and C of this part, it does not include the President or Vice President. Status as an employee is unaffected by pay or leave status or, in the case of a special Government employee, by the fact that the individual does not perform official duties on a given day.

[shraby]

31. Read the second part of that rule.

[kcr]

35. Awww, poor KellyAnne! You're so right. No one ever trashes Trump around here!

Thank gawd she has you to stand up for her!!!!

[shraby]

36. They should have at both of them for overstepping their bounds.

[highplainsdem]

4. Very clear violation.

[Madam45for2923]

5. She must go!

[jmg257]

6. Is her position as counselor to the pres a "public office"? I see several definitions

Someone who is in public office is in a job that they have been elected to do by the public.

public office A position or occupation established by law or by the act of a government body, for the purpose of exercising the authority of the government in the service of the public.

Several factors must be taken into account in deciding whether a particular position is a public office. Does the position in question involve the exercise of independent decision-making power on behalf of the state or a duly constituted state subdivision such as a city or county, rather than being merely advisory?

§ 2635.702 Use of public office for private gain.
An employee shall not use his public office for his own private gain, for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives, or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity, including nonprofit organizations of which the employee is an officer or member, and persons with whom the employee has or seeks employment or business relations. The specific prohibitions set forth in paragraphs (a) through (d) of this section apply this general standard, but are not intended to be exclusive or to limit the application of this section.

[Progressive dog]

9. She clearly holds a public office and has violated the law,

and she will continue to do so as long as the psychopath in chief wants her to.

[jmg257]

10. Thanks!! nt

[fishwax]

20. here's the definition of "employee" from the link

Seems to me it applies, but IANAL:

Employee means any officer or employee of an agency, including a special Government employee. It includes officers but not enlisted members of the uniformed services. It includes employees of a State or local government or other organization who are serving on detail to an agency, pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 3371, et seq. For purposes other than subparts B and C of this part, it does not include the President or Vice President. Status as an employee is unaffected by pay or leave status or, in the case of a special Government employee, by the fact that the individual does not perform official duties on a given day.

[jmg257]

30. Thanks - seems to cover it (her). nt

[treestar]

28. She could argue it is not

Whatever she does is not part of the regular bureaucracy. Though as long as taxpayers are paying her, it could be argued she is.

[highplainsdem]

7. Video of Kellyanne's commercial in this tweet:

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[smirkymonkey]

8. Is there no depth to how low they will sink?

Unbelievable!

[Phoenix61]

26. Apparently not

[Ilsa]

11. And if private citizens made their own laws, executed their enforcement,

and adjudicated it all on our own, we'd have chaos. Why can't they see that what they are doing is just as morally, ethically wrong?

[Ms. Toad]

12. Yup, and unlike Trump -

She is not even arguably exempt.

[IronLionZion]

14. How much can they get away with

before someone holds them accountable?

[Scarsdale]

15. How much?

Until the gop installs all their destructive policies, THEN the fur MIGHT fly. Was that red/white/blue monstrosity KellyAnne wore to the inauguration a design from Ivanka? Something stolen from another designer, as the tRump daughter makes a habit of doing.

[SticksnStones]

19. Surprisingly no. It was Gucci

http://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/red-carpet-dresses/news/a20077/kellyanne-conway-gucci-inauguration-outfit/

[Eyeball_Kid]

24. There is no "someone".

[weissmam]

16. lock her up

[SledDriver]

18. the repukes will do nothing

IOKIYAR!

[LAS14]

22. Waiting to see if laws triumph over our new would be dictatorship.

I feel like we're in a third world dictatorship.

[LaydeeBug]

23. Please take "may have" out...she just fucking did it. nt

[NRaleighLiberal]

25. she is a walking talking violation of all that is decent

[DK504]

27. Pterodactyl says what?

[frazzled]

29. Illegal and ludicrous at the same time!

My head is spinning. Why is she even discussing pointy-toed shoes and cheesy shoulder-cutout tops when the issues facing the country are so incredibly dire and critical? Why did this even come up when the fate of refugees, the environment, international relations, safe air and water, civil rights and human rights are sitting on the line at this moment?

I want to throw something and have it shatter into a thousand pieces. Steam is coming out of my ears. These people are truly deplorable. We are in the marketing and branding administration, pure and simple. Vomit.

[angrychair]

32. Went ahead

And tweeted the referenced law to her as well...just doing my part. I think we should flood their Twitter accounts, her and republican 45, with this very law reference.

[UTUSN]

33. Anything goes. No law. nothing

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[dlk]

34. How Do We Hold Them Accountable?

Of course, Conway violated ethics laws, as has her boss. The problem is that with Republicans holding both houses of congress and the White House, as well as stacking the cabinet with their crooked cronies, who will hold them accountable?