Democrats should vacate the Capitol en masse when SCROTUS addresses the joint chamber 02/28

[malchickiwick]

And any who choose to do otherwise should be primaried in 2018. Thoughts??

[rzemanfl]

1. No, they should stand and shout "Liar" everytime he lies.

Which will be the whole State of the Union address anyway.

[Initech]

5. Better idea!

They all attend and then stage an Animal House style walkout when Trump starts trying to take credit for all the things Obama accomplished. Now that would be awesome!

[fierywoman]

8. That would be great -- like a revival meeting!

[forgotmylogin]

12. Or just stand and silently turn their backs.

[manicraven]

51. and moon him!

[Hortensis]

20. Know how you feel, but...how to show respect

for our system and at the same time disrespect for his actions so far?

Let's face it, heckling, especially at such an important event, would only stiffen support for him and resistance against us. After such a thing he probably literally could shoot someone in the street and be cheered.

Gotta be smarter. We are today's good guys, after all.

[rzemanfl]

25. Well, it's not like yelling "you lie" the State of the Union

is "unpresidented." Is there some special deference for white guys?

It isn't possible to "stiffen" support for Drumpf. Those people don't think.

Being "good" is how we got into this mess.

[Hortensis]

29. Joe Wilson's little paragraph in history will be

schmirched by his misbehavior. As it is, he is seldom mentioned outside his state without being identified as that person. He did himself no good.

And, NO. Being good is NOT how we got into this mess. Not being good enough is.

[rzemanfl]

34. I guess we disagree on whether fighting cheating with virtue is a winning strategy. n/t

[Hortensis]

36. We can agree that right could always outdo us in evil

and in evil passions, though. Right, Rz? Generally speaking, there are real differences between how conservatives and liberals see the world and react.

One of their biggest and horribly successful strategies (god only knows how many billions have ultimately been spent on it), has been to convince all voters that we're no better than them, with a substrategy whenever they're caught out being to confuse voters about who actually did what.

Our huge advantage that we have to make the most of is that the majority is on our side knowingly--and an even larger majority unknowingly. And for all the happy noise from the right, if the election were re-held today, when there is just a tiny bit less confusion among the confused and even a few people are realizing their mistakes, we'd win.

[rzemanfl]

37. I agree that if the election were conducted again today we'd win.

My problem is I simply can't stand the assholes and wish them grievous harm with a big helping of "wish I could do it myself."

[Hortensis]

54. Oh, so the same here. We invited 5 neighbors we don't know

well for dinner last week, knowing they were conservatives; but before they came I discovered they all were probably more a lot more virulently hostile to Democrats and more bigoted toward everyone, not just liberals, than I'd picked up on before. To say I wished we could call it off was to put it mildly. I'd already bought a pile of short ribs and couldn't even switch to hamburgers.

We got through it pleasantly enough by never mentioning politics, so I'll consider that a tiny outreach and mostly be done with it. There are better fish out there. When they're not sitting at my table I might lament the inevitable return of annual and lifetime limits for any one condition, and preexisting conditions exclusions, but that's about it.

I am sick and tired of everyone who voted for 45, but they're not going away.

[Blanks]

26. I agree...

He makes himself look bad. Why take the attention away from him.

[Hortensis]

30. +1000.

Same for all the right's deplorables, despicables, and depraveds. People need to be able to see a clear difference between their choices through the cloud of lies.

[forgotmylogin]

55. I humbly suggest you watch a session of UK Parliament.

It can be like a (verbal) cage match.

[Hortensis]

58. LOL. Never watched a complete session,

Forgotmylongin, but the snatches always look a lot more fun than ours. Nevertheless...

[bdamomma]

2. I am sure there will be some Democrats

who will not be in attendance.

[SaschaHM]

3. No?

I see no reason to try and primary Dems that attend a State of the Union address. Do we really have to keep searching for reasons to try and primary sitting Dems while we are in the minority especially over something as silly as a basic function of their job ?

[malchickiwick]

15. What, it not a historically-approved strategy to refuse to give tyrants a platform???

Exactly which side of history do you want to land upon?

[SaschaHM]

17. The side of history where we're not needlessly primarying Democrats over stupid shit. nt.

[randome]

40. He is a would-be tyrant, that's all. He just lost a court case and he's abiding by that decision.

For all {45's} outrageousness, he is still bound by our laws.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]{45's} scorecard:
Muslim ban = failed. Yemen raid = failed. Approval ratings = failed.
Mexican wall = failed. Economic utopia = failed. Grade point average = 0.[/center][/font][hr]

[Initech]

4. Absolutely! They've treated us like ass since the election. Why should we play nice?

And the republicans do not, and I repeat get to lecture us about disrespecting the president after the absolute hell they put us through when Obama was in power.

[malchickiwick]

16. Thanks. I wholeheartedly agree!!

This is what I'm on about

[gopiscrap]

6. yes yell scream and turn this speech into a circus

[onenote]

7. No they shouldn't

They should be grown ups. It draws the contrast with Trump.

Let the story be about his behavior, not ours.

[Phoenix61]

9. Agreed

This isn't about we go high when they go low, this is about showing up to do your job on a day you know it is going to suck. We have and will continue to have ample opportunity to show them to be the greedy, ethically challenged POS's they are.

[malchickiwick]

14. Weimar Germany was full of "grown ups" Sometimes one needs to take a stand (n/t)

[JustAnotherGen]

31. Here's an idea to take a stand

Run for office. Your time would be better spent on the school board blocking local Republicans at every turn - than standing outside of the fire looking for reasons to primary a sitting Democratic federal elected official.

And don't you dare accuse me of giving into Nazi beliefs. Doncha dare!

I'm not a good 'tutsi' either - and this environment is eerily reminiscent of Rwanda circa 1993.

[KittyWampus]

10. I've never seen you post here before but it's interesting this post encourages primarying Democrats

That seems to be a theme lately amongst some DU'ers.

Anyway, here's a belated "Welcome to DU".

[malchickiwick]

13. Thanks for the belated welcome!

[JustAnotherGen]

32. I've noticed - I've also noticed

"Newbies" posting about 2020 and trying to foment the same discord as during the Primary. Full Stop - we have offices that Democratics can run for this year. If you are focused on 2020 you are part of the problem - or someone who might not have the best of intentions for Democratic party members.

[malchickiwick]

35. I love how the "Old Timers" love to label "newbies" based on number of posts. Paranoia? Or just lack

of imagination? Your snide pigeon-hole dismissive attitude toward people based at looking at the little number beside their handle is frankly divisive.

I for one would never hold against somebody that the fact that he or she has so many posts, and what does that may say about their social life, or lack thereof.

Also, I live in an incredibly blue district. Shall I move someplace red in order to "run for office"? Or trying knocking off a fellow Dem?

Also, I gave money and time to HRC. I marched, I phone-banked, I knocked on doors.

Also, as a history instructor I am EVERYDAY trying to make a difference in how young people approach politics.

[JustAnotherGen]

42. PS - who IS this person?

No really - seems familiar. Can't place where. . .

[malchickiwick]

46. Are you referring to me? You didn't respond to my post; you replied to the one up. (n/t)

[madamesilverspurs]

11. Tricky situation.

On the one hand, a presidential address demands a certain decorum.

On the other hand, this won't be a State of the Union speech. It will be a blustery trump ego on parade, decorum would be wasted.

For the first time in memory, I do not intend to watch, just as I did not watch his inaugural "speech".

I expect our team will behave, but it will be squirmingly difficult. As for primarying those who attend -- NO.


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[Hortensis]

21. Agree. And didn't watch the inaugural either.

I actually think our behaving is extremely important. We need to draw, not repel.

[JI7]

18. i'm sure you would like that but most of us are going to focus on beating republicans

[JustAnotherGen]

43. Brava J17

[Buns_of_Fire]

19. Rump may not even be there.

So far as I know, there's no Constitutional requirement that he give an address before a joint session. All that's required is that he report to Congress once a year, and that can be done in writing.

Or maybe they'll just set up a monitor on the lectern, and he can tweet it to them in 140-character bursts, like a less-articulate Max Headroom.

[WinkyDink]

22. I seem to recall a precedent that was set....What was it now?......Oh, yes......"YOU LIE!"

[onenote]

23. Yes. And Wilson was reprimanded

Do you really think it helps us in our efforts to win over people to shift the story from Trump's behavior to ours?

[WinkyDink]

44. Thread topic. You replied ONLY to the OP and me. Why not others?

[onenote]

47. Huh?

First, I already had responded to the thread topic.
Second, I responded to you because you specifically raised Joe Wilson's actions and the point of my post was that imitating Joe Wilson would not be a productive route to follow.

[Vinca]

24. They should stay and laugh at him.

Let's face it. The speech will be short. You can only use his entire vocabulary so many times.

[RandiFan1290]

27. We can't even keep Rep Lois Frankel out of Mar-a-Lago

She just loves hobnobbing with dumpster.

[Buckeyeblue]

28. They have to go

But they should sit silently. No matter what he says. Be respectful, but be silent. No head shacking, no making faces. Look forward stoically, be respectful and be silent.

Once it's over, blast away.

[July]

33. Yes, let the Republicans clap and stand for Trump's crazy statements.

Democrats can show which is the sane party just by quietly sitting there, not encouraging a lunatic.

[logosoco]

38. I think they should go

and they should sit in their seats and stare at him. Roll their eyes. Shake their heads.They should not clap. They should not stand.

[MurrayDelph]

39. The problem with referring to P45 as "SCROTUS"

is that it was already used for the Supreme Court

[FSogol]

41. Translation: Divide the party! Divide the party!

[malchickiwick]

45. You may need to Google the term "en masse" ...

Jus' Sayin'....

[FSogol]

48. Didn't you type: "should be primaried"?

Your attempts at division stand.

[JustAnotherGen]

49. Bravo! Fair point! N/T

[malchickiwick]

50. You realize the primary system was introduced during the Progressive Era to advance DEMOCRACY?

So, apparently you'd like to return to the days when the party faithful marched in lock-step with whomever the party elites and fat cats decided who our candidates should be. Now THAT'S something truly vomit worthy!

[FSogol]

52. I really have to guffaw at posters/writers who look at the country & decide the Democratic party is

the problem.

[Tatiana]

56. They should be completely silent.

No applause. At all.

We don't respect the Orangutan but we should demonstrate respect for the office of the Presidency.

[madokie]

57. I'd prefer they'd stand and turn their back to him

and call out LIAR every time he tells a whopper. I realize that means they'll be calling LIAR LIAR back to back the whole evening. So be it. Show no mercy