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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnybody watch the body language, hand "grab" and discomfort from the Japanese Prime Minister?
Was just watching the meeting in Oval Office with Japan's Prime Minister and Trump. Trump didn't shake his hand, he gripped it hard and pulled it towards him and wouldn't let go. He even added his second hand. It lasted long. Way too long. And the Japanese Prime Minister was uncomfortable. Then when Trump finally "released" his grip, the Japanese Prime Minister moved and slid his body in chair away from Trump and had an agonized look on his face and eye roll as he clearly looked at someone (likely on his staff standing there).
It was a strange and awkward and very uncomfortable moment to watch. And this folks is "the show".
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Raine1967
(11,589 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)he -IS- that creepy guy.
logosoco
(3,208 posts)video compilations of people awkwardly shaking hands with this man!
JDC
(10,127 posts)I'm in Sales, so lots of glad handing. When people do that to me, I usually pull back which catches them by surprise. I'm a pretty big guy so they move when I do it.
barbtries
(28,789 posts)caused me to laugh out loud.
i'm at work. tsk.
snort
(2,334 posts)Men who do this kind of thing are unthinking assholes.
JDC
(10,127 posts)Of personal space as well as against the unofficial rules of handshaking.
Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)He clearly doesn't think like a human being, does he?
Those video clips say a whole lot about the Thing occupying the White House.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)What a dick!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and I have been avoiding viewing 45 and hadn't seen either. Bet Gorsuch is counting the moments until he's on the court and completely beyond 45's control.
The two videos together are priceless. Both "victims" must have been well prepared to expect 45's weirdnesses, but to actually be face-to-face and hand-to-jerk with him during historic moments...
Arkansas Granny
(31,515 posts)It reminds me for all the world like the sharp tug you give to a dog's leash when you want to remind them who is in control of the situation.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)pandr32
(11,581 posts)He has no interest in learning about the cultures of others and how not to offend. This man should not be anywhere near the White House and foreign policy of any kind.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)And he adds to it by "complimenting" the P.M. in a condescending way.
The Blue Flower
(5,442 posts)It was all about dominance.
Two courses of hand patting.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)It's also similar to pussy-groping, but for males. Perhaps some of those who have been mishandled in this way might begin to understand how violated females feel when Man-Baby's hands start to wander.
Trump's protocol office doesn't know sh*t about protocol, btw. Either that or he doesn't listen to anything they say - which is also probable.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Worthy of a heart!
meadowlander
(4,395 posts)Firm grip. Make sure your hand is on top. If you can't get your hand on top use your other hand to cover the other person's. Give a little pull to get them off guard and show your strength.
It's all bullshit and does not translate into other cultures.
Arkansas Granny
(31,515 posts)That said it all.
Cha
(297,188 posts)and I'm not in the mood now.
This is great from the PM
mainer
(12,022 posts)If you find it, post it!
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)I want to know if he bothered to the "Meishi" and bow. The handshake in Japanese culture is really only done infrequently with non-Japanese. But watch this video closely. I watched it live and was shocked and now watched the video twice and it's worse than when I first saw it live and posted this discussion. Trump actually "pulls" Prime Minister Abe at himself multiple times almost pulling Abe out of his chair. This is very aggressive and "dominance" behavior. Very, very inappropriate and especially to the Japanese. I did business with Japanese companies, even as often the only woman in the room around executives and I have never seen such aggression demonstrated.
Not a good sign. Trump is a bully and wants to dominate.
Dulcinea
(6,629 posts)Either no one told The Donald that aggressive handshaking isn't culturally appropriate, or he doesn't care.
I'm betting on the latter.
You'd think Trump would have met many people from different cultures in the business world & would know better.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)and after the handshake does it again.
Same posture he took with Obama when they met in that room.
Where as Abe is relaxed, open posture, Trump is very closed,has his hands in front of his balls.
his smile during the handshake and just after was gloating.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)Take a look at this video clip from the Daily Show which shows the handshake with a timer.
Here's what I see:
They shake hands. Abe starts to pull his hand away, but DT does the stupid little pat-pat with the other hand to keep the handshake going. Then trump tries to do the power pull. But the PM is having none of it.
About 7 seconds into the handshake Trump tries, but the PM pulls his hand back quickly. Because (a) it's a stupid gesture and (b) DT doesn't have the grip strength or the arm strength to actually pull this stupid "power" move off against the Japanese PM.
At 10 seconds into the handshake, Trump tries again. This time he leans his body forward as he does it. It seems pretty clear that he does this so that he can have a little extra leverage on his 6th-grade power pull. He knows he needs the extra leverage because he got his ass handed to him the first time around.
From that point on, you can see the PM smiling and DT gritting his teeth. That is the expression of someone exerting effort without wanting to seem like he's exerting effort. He's trying SO HARD to overpower the Japanese PM, but he can't do it. Not with those small hands, Donald!
He gives another try at the 14 second mark, and the Japanese PM pulls his hand back quickly, once again completely dominating the Donald's pathetic attempt at a pathetic gesture. At this point, Abe even uses his other hand, pointing to the cameras, as if to say: pay attention to them. You're trying very hard to win a game of tug-of-war that your opponent ISN'T EVEN PLAYING, and yet still you can't do it. So how 'bout we knock this shit off."
At 17 seconds, trump does the hand pat again, because he knows when he's beat.
At 18 seconds, the awkward hand-hug ends, and the PM is like: "WTF was that?"
Trump, you can see in the video, lifts his hands in the air and lets them fall, in what is very clearly a gesture of defeat.
Pathetic. Loser. Sad.
https://www.facebook.com/thedailyshow/videos/10155041198446800/
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)which trump finally did, and after the handshake Trump said immediately "You have strong hands" which really revealed that handshake game.
to be fair, Trump asked Abe what the Japanese camera person were saying, and that was Abe's response, focused on taking a good publicity pic.
flygal
(3,231 posts)liberalla
(9,243 posts)I suspect the PM was tipped off in advance to the handshake. I think from now on, people are on notice about the power play handshake game and it's not going to work out well for 45. They will be prepared for it.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)There was a video the other day of his meeting with Neil Gorsuch where he did exactly the same thing - it looked like he nearly yanked the guy off his feet. It's obviously a dominance move. For a Japanese person it probably would have been even more disturbing because that's way outside their culture of courtesy.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)describes the handshake in her book. I believe she does it too? (Someone let me know if I'm wrong about this.) The point IS to overpower and put off balance whomever they shake hands with.
lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)These clowns have no idea of the concept of international
diplomacy let alone how to act in social situations.
anarch
(6,535 posts)seriously, what a complete assclown. It's so embarrassing!
lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)"And hey, I mean that. Honest. Hey I really do."
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)Trump prefers raw dominance, something the equivalent of a cat simulated-mounting and biting another cat's neck (I hope he doesn't start doing that!). He's not going to grope Merkel because she's not young and hot, but since she's a woman he would be even more compelled to establish his dominance. I would expect him to do the grab-and-yank handshake very intensely while looming over her.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Let's hope he does not grab her by the p**sy, as he is apt to do.
barbtries
(28,789 posts)if he doesn't grab her pussy.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,175 posts)They'll either be prepared so they don't lose their balance, or they'll pull the same time 45 pulls.
If we're lucky, they might even pull 45 off balance. If we're REALLY lucky, they'll pull him right off his feet and we'll be treated to a spontaneous exhibition of Greco-Trumpo Wrestling right there in front of God 'n' Everybody.
He's a grabber, that one.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)...down on a "power handshake Trump-style"....
The world would cheer....
Buns_of_Fire
(17,175 posts)Just to reinforce his learning experience, you understand.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)bring him a bucket of hand sanitizer?
lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)One of those, "Now, now, honey, don't you worry. I'll take care of everything for you" moves. He is so, so out of his league.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)Every time he tried, Abe was clearly stronger than him. So trump had to call on his other small-ish hand for reinforcements.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)The expression on his face after he got his hand back tells the tale. And the hand patting? Yuck!
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)A handshake is a very brief ritual but it has some very certain implicit expectations and norms. The human hand, historically, has been unique to our very survival. Extending your hand, making it vulnerable to another person is a gesture of trust. Trump violates this, and he does it rather terribly.
I wonder if he only does this when cameras are rolling. People look (understandably) alarmed when he does it, but presumably, it is not the first time Gorsuch or the PM actually shook hands with him. Does he shake normally and then pull this bullshit when the cameras are rolling?
I would guess yes.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)I thought Trump touts himself as some knowledgeable businessman...no one I know in business at any level, but any level would dare to do this.
I would love to see Trump do this with the head of one of the Yakuza clans....he would be lucky to only have "yubisume" and lose a digit for his offense...
I doubt he will ever dare do this to Putin when they meet....
former9thward
(31,997 posts)Abe seems to be enjoying himself here:
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)When I greeted him today at the car, I was saying I shook hands, but I grabbed him and I hugged him because thats the way we feel, Trump said. Ill let you know if that changes, but I dont think it will.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/japanese-prime-minister-visits-white-house-but-trumps-travel-ban-dominates-event/2017/02/10/95ad4b2a-efa6-11e6-9662-6eedf1627882_story.html?utm_term=.799044c83421&tid=sm_tw
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)Was it a freemasons grip?
Less Masonic, more boorish.
The lion's paw is not a hand on hand thing.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)This fucking moron is that deficient in basic social skills and etiquette. How embarrassing. This will not be lost on the Japanese people, who certainly understand nuance and "face" in interpersonal encounters. This was horrible. He looked as if he were trying to snap Abe's wrist.
randome
(34,845 posts)Or maybe it was, "Funny. You don't look Chinese."
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The Dolt45/Spicer super-soaker fires a continuous stream of stupid and NEVER needs refilling![/center][/font][hr]
spinbaby
(15,089 posts)A photographer says something.
DJT asks, "What did they say?"
Abe translates, "Look at me."
DJT turns to look at Abe instead of the photographer, apparently not understanding that Abe translated the photographer's request.
madokie
(51,076 posts)I'm not sure what to think of him.
Nuts is all I can come up with
mainer
(12,022 posts)That hand tug is so disgusting.
Nwgirl503
(406 posts)It's his go-to move. Apparently even with men.
And his hair is the same color as that chair.
I still can't believe this is real. He's really sitting in that room. He's really meeting heads of state from other countries. He's really representing the US. When will this nightmare be over?
fishwax
(29,149 posts)Yeah, definitely uncomfortable. But he was holding his own with it, too. Trump was clearly trying to pull his hand closer, but I think the Japanese PM is stronger and Trump didn't have the strength to make it happen.
Trump did the same thing to Gorsuch during the "Next Supreme Court Justice" finale. Gorsuch wasn't ready for it, and trump almost pulled him off his feet.
That look, on the PM's face though. I mean, it's the kind of look you see at family functions when someone finally breaks free of a conversation with the drunk and incoherently rambling uncle.
LisaM
(27,806 posts)I'm sorry to resort to junior high school slang, but he's just gross.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)We fear him but not for the reason he wants us to fear him.
He is a whiny little boy, in reality
Mr. Sparkle
(2,932 posts)That look sums up what the rest of the country is feeling ,the last 3 weeks
kentuck
(111,089 posts)...and he was uncomfortable also, it seemed to me.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Japanese people prefer to bow, of course, but they don't mind shaking hands, as long as it's not the American Death Grip with a lot of pumping and yanking. I'm sure Abe was warned to expect the Ugly American routine from Trump.
Arkansas Granny
(31,515 posts)I think that is unlikely. He prefers to act like the bully. He thinks people respect his "toughness".
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)His fans seem to love him because he's obnoxious.
raccoon
(31,110 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)He had to ask his aides what treaty Putin was talking about ..in the middle of the call with Putin!
It seems he feels not knowing what others know is "weak"...Trump's world view is you have seem tough, in charge, smart, and never ever a loser,
even if it means not admitting what you don't know.
His pathology carries that to a high extreme.
DippyDem
(659 posts)If I recall correctly, it's the state dept. job to advise Presidents on proper protocols with the various visitors from other countries. I guess Herr Drumph knows more than the state dept. and won't listen. Oy!
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)Dawg - he is illiterate, crude and a national embarrassment.
Now they're reporting that Orange wasn't wearing his translation headset.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)blue neen
(12,319 posts)Abe:
mainer
(12,022 posts)It's the Japanese version of "Oy vey."
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)It spoke volumes: "Jeez, can you believe this guy?"
pangaia
(24,324 posts)1- You do not do this to ANYBODY.
2- You do not do this to a head of state.
3- Abe was mortified !!!!!!!!! Did you see his face? Of course you did.
4- For what it is worth, you especially do NOT do this to a Japanese, WHATEVER the position or lack of position.. I would not do this to my best Japanese friends whom I have know for up to 35 years !
Plus he started off his remarks with "Welcome to THE VERY FAMOUS WHITE HOUSE !"
Stupid shit fuck !!!!!!!!
raccoon
(31,110 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)simguy225
(80 posts)The Japanese are very good at controlling reactions. The fact that Abe reacted at all speaks volumes.
DinahMoeHum
(21,784 posts)re the chapter on Japan:
"A smile can mean pleasure, but it can also be a means of self-control, as when it's used to hide displeasure"
"Keep a smile, even when you are upset"
"Laughter can mean embarrassment, confusion, or shock, rather than mirth"
https://www.amazon.com/Kiss-Bow-Shake-Hands-Bestselling/dp/1593373686/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1486755354&sr=1-1&keywords=kiss+bow+or+shake+hands
malaise
(268,967 posts)What an uncouth (my paternal grandma loved that word) scumbag. Good effin' grief - he's the 'ugliest American' ever.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)We got a belly full of tRump..45...whatever term we use to refer to this oaf during the campaign and the days and weeks following the election. I think we hoped that the weight of the office would temper him somewhat so that he would not be a national embarrassment to all of us. OH, but no! Not to be. So here we have him....all naked for the world to see. He is clueless about what is classy behavior and is too pig headed to take instructions from the protocol people who could help save him from himself.
Until he is impeached or run out with the guys with butterfly nets, we just need to mock and belittle this poor excuse for a human being. Goad him into full meltdown. I have to keep reminding myself that he really is a sick, sick man. And he can't help himself or control the impulses that drive him. That doesn't mean he should be allowed to remain in office...because he is to be pitied.
The people we should be mad at are the ones who enabled him to get where he is. He didn't do this alone. There were Republicans who could see that he had a following and was knocking off competitors left and right. So they jumped on board to be a part of his team so they wouldn't get left behind. But look what they got for us. Incompetence and unethical behavior at every turn.
Oh, and we need to follow every single lead that can get us out of this nightmare. Don't let a thing go by that could be a piece of this puzzle. There is more to this whole mess than meets the eye. We need lots of digging and pushing to get to the truth. Protests. Rallies. Whatever it takes to push the people who can fight for us in getting rid of this dangerous man. Never ever give up or give in.
malaise
(268,967 posts)Talking about the weight of the job - wait on this pic
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)You reminded me how much I miss President Obama.
You owe me a bottle of bleach for my eyes for making me look at that pile of goo currently occupying the White House.
malaise
(268,967 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)malaise
(268,967 posts)raccoon
(31,110 posts)simguy225
(80 posts)I think it appropriate
George II
(67,782 posts)....and look like he wanted to kiss him?
Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)[center]
Mary Trump [/center]
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)He doesn't shake a hand, he OWNS the hand. He'll let go when he's damn good and ready.
He's an embarrassment to our country.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)The Republican draft dodger has been fingered repeatedly for his loser - arm jerk - "handshake."
good thing Abe was ready to thwart this rude bullshit from a Faux aLPHA mALE republican draft dodger.
SpankMe
(2,957 posts)Still creepy, though.
PatSeg
(47,419 posts)with Gorsuch, when the nominee stretched out his hand to Trump, but Trump tried to aggressively pull him in. Gorsuch held his ground. It was really uncomfortable to watch. Such a nasty bully.
Edit to add link
I guess he does this a lot!
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/02/romney-trump-handshake.html
StarryNite
(9,444 posts)So much for being a germaphobe when he has his hands all over everybody all the time with his groping and grabbing.
One of the curses of American society is the simple act of shaking hands, and the more successful and famous one becomes the worse this terrible custom seems to get, Trump
It sure is a curse for the people who have to shake his creepy little hand!
PatSeg
(47,419 posts)He sure seems to get into it, though it clearly is a dominance thing with him. I guess being a germaphobe is a selective thing for Trump.
I can't imagine letting the man touch me and the look on Gorsuch's face as he turned away was very telling. There is a reason why people don't want to get that close to the man.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)In his desperate attempt to look "dominant," he tries to yank Gorsuch off his feet (can our comedians please make fun of this pathetic shit) and fails -- but then the Orange Monster Pussy Grabber grabs Gorsuch's wife by both of her shoulders and yanks her in to kiss her. That is not okay, and he is doing it in yet another "dominance" display. She is a small woman, and he yanks her off her feet (she clearly wasn't expecting this either). Trump is such a pathetic douche. Zero people skills.
PatSeg
(47,419 posts)It is embarrassing to watch him interact physically with people and it makes my skin crawl. The way he grabs a person's hand and then holds it and pats it - both needy and dominating.
WomanWhoRoars
(175 posts)It's like the old Pepe Le Pugh cartoon - the cat ( Japanese PM ) can't get away fast enough
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)"I'm patting your hand like you're a little old woman."
Arkansas Granny, up-thread, said it best, though, about the yanking.
barbtries
(28,789 posts)when we were expecting guests from Japan, we were schooled on how to interact with them. Their culture is one of deliberate courtesy. Clearly this would make the PM very uncomfortable, but trump is a lout who is convinced that he's a hugely popular star that everyone but everyone feels honored to be next to.
he's rude.
Skittles
(153,157 posts)when he was campaigning I kept asking his idiotic supporters CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS MAN REPRESENTING AMERICA ON THE INTERNATIONAL STAGE
f***, what a fucking EMBARRASSMENT
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)Abe's tie. It's like a gotdam Tim Burton film or something. Jeepus creepus.
More_Cowbell
(2,191 posts)President Bannon as a puppeteer losing control of his marionette Trump, so he can't make him end the handshake correctly.
Quayblue
(1,045 posts)Abe wasn't having that shit, then the eyeroll afterwards...
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,425 posts)The two world leaders engaged in a 19-second handshake that didn't appear to end well.
By Louis Nelson | 02/10/17 01:41 PM EST | Updated 02/10/17 03:49 PM EST
President Donald Trumps grin-and-grip with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe in the Oval Office on Friday came off more like a power play between world leaders and ended with an exaggerated eye roll from Abe.
The moment quickly took off on Twitter, with GIFs proliferating of the awkward moment. It proved to be just one of a series of slightly offkilter interactions during a generally warm meeting between Trump and Abe, who are also due to spend part of the weekend golfing at Trumps Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.
With the pool of American and Japanese press in place to observe the meeting between the two nations leaders, a Japanese photographer piped up to ask Trump and Abe to shake hands.
The two men obliged, smiling and shaking hands for what seemed like an excruciatingly long 19 seconds as Trump and Abe appeared to engage in a tug-of-war over their clasped hands, with the press snapping pictures.
Hekate
(90,672 posts)It involved staring someone in the eyes and putting his hand and arm out lower than expected. When his victim put his own hand out, Saddam's was not where it was supposed to be, so that person would bow their head to see how to make the appropriate adjustment.
Cameras would flash, and voila, another photo of Saddam assuming dominance posture over a foreign dignitary who was seen to be bowing submissively.
Wilson adjusted his own posture accordingly in advance and continued the staredown.
The Mad King is a complete boor. Words cannot convey what an embarrassment he is to our nation.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)kimbutgar
(21,137 posts)I thought the prime minister looked uncomfortable. His body language gave him away. Chump wouldn't let go of his hand.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)He has absolutely no concept of diplomacy. Everything to him is a power play. I still can't believe this fuckwit is sitting in the oval office. It's disorienting.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)I have complained to so many people about this -- he does it ALL THE TIME, and SNL or others should make ruthless fun of his pathetic attempts at being a tough guy. It is such a pathetic, jerk move.