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vi5

(13,305 posts)
2. I was initially against Common Core...
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 11:53 AM
Feb 2017

...as it was very integrated too much into the PARCC standardized testing. My first impressions of it were with my own kids and I was less than enthusiastic. But I'm also 3/4 of the way into getting my own teaching certification at age 47 and I'm realizing that the idea of a common standard of learning is not in and of itself a bad idea. It's the emphasis on standardized testing and the tie in with Pearson (as my student teaching mentor calls them "the Halliburton of education) which moves it from a "common goals and standards" model that can be adapted accordingly to the individual needs of students depending on region, economics, etc. and into a "pass this test or else!!!" model for students and teachers.

I think the actual specifics and implementation of common core need to be tweaked but don't think it should be a throw the baby out with the bathwater situation or approach.

Either way I don't trust Devos to do anything the right way. Sorry, I mean the "correct" way.

Squinch

(51,074 posts)
14. I disagree. There is no way to extricate the Common Core from Pearson.
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 01:18 PM
Feb 2017

The tests come from Pearson, the books to teach to the tests come from Pearson, the company that sets the standards is a subsidiary of Pearson, teacher training that stresses the need for Pearson is dominated by Pearson, teacher colleges are funded by Pearson, EVERYTHING goes back to Pearson.

The Common Core has been an abject failure in implementation. Anyone who is not the "middle student" is seriously damaged by it. If you are smarter than average or if you are not as smart as average, you are essentially tossed aside. And the Common Core has failed to improve the performance even of the average student it aims at.

There is no way to tweak it.

We need to look to Finland, who goes by progress rather than standards. They also attend closely to what we know about children's brain development. We work in direct opposition to what we know about children's brain development.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
17. I don't disagree with any of your points....
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 01:37 PM
Feb 2017

It's more the general idea of grade appropriate benchmarks. Having now had to study and read all the standards, there's nothing really in them that I have any issue with. it is the poor implementation and the one size fits all approach that Pearson insists on, and the limited manner of assessment that is the debacle. The standards can be used to measure speed of progress and tell us whether a kid is working above or below grade level and whether they need more support or more stimulative endeavors.

But again, I'm not completely married to the idea. More just detailing how I went from reflexively anti-everything about common core to open to the idea that there are bits and pieces along the way that could still be useful to educators as long as we extricate Pearson from the entirety of the process and start from the ground up with a different approach.

I think the unfortunate thing is that the past 5-10 years have seen education become one of those few things that "both sides agree on" thanks to folks like Arne Duncan, Michele Rhea, Corey Booker, and even President Obama. It's similar to tax cuts/increases where unless and until there is a complete overhaul on the entire American approach both sides are going to work together under similar misguided premises (tax increases always bad/public schools in America are failing because of teachers/standards issues), which isn't likely to happen then we need to figure out where and when to chip away at the edges.

But yes, bottom line is I would want a complete burn it to the ground and start over approach to our current education system and work toward the model you mentioned (among others). But being realistic and knowing that is not likely to happen any time soon, I think we need to figure out the best way to chip away.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,437 posts)
3. Betsy DeVos has no common core. She clearly doesn't know what she's doing...
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 11:58 AM
Feb 2017

and she used her billions to impose her draconian views on the nation.

Please, someone buy her a year's supply of bonbons. She'll be more effective with a mouth stuffed full of confections.

Johnny2X2X

(19,240 posts)
9. Profit
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 12:28 PM
Feb 2017

Common core gets in the way of the profit her private charter schools can make. Her entire approach is about creating profit from schools, ending the public school system, and resegregation.

Squinch

(51,074 posts)
11. Actually Common Core was just as mercenary, it just shuttled the profits away from anywhere
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 01:10 PM
Feb 2017

where DeVos's buddies could get at it.

Common Core sucks, and De Vos sucks. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

hunter

(38,339 posts)
15. Yep, pressuring public schools to purchase expensive corporate common core curriculum...
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 01:26 PM
Feb 2017

...books, tests, the entire package, and "failing" schools that don't.

That's the part of Common Core that's offensive to anyone who supports public education. It sucks money out of schools that are already underfunded.

I'd love to see a publicly funded curriculum based on the Open Source model. Textbooks, tests, all of that, would be developed by public school educators, many of them paid extra to develop and maintain these materials, and these materials would be given away free of charge for anyone on earth to use.

Squinch

(51,074 posts)
16. I'd also, just once, like to see a curriculum that took into account even a little
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 01:36 PM
Feb 2017

of what we know about neurodevelopment.

Kids brains are ready to receive certain things at certain times. The way we teach today NEVER gives them those things at those times. For example, ages 4 and 5 should be doing tactile learning and self regulation. That's why we used to do finger painting and play duck duck goose. THOSE things were absolutely appropriate for kids at those ages.

Now we want 4 and 5 year olds to learn letters and numbers and how to write between narrow lines on paper. The 4 and 5 year old brain is completely not ready for that, so they end up feeling unsuccessful.

And while we are making them do things their brains are not ready for, we are not allowing them to do the things their brains ARE ready for, for example games that show them how to sit still for a little while and which then give them a burst of activity before requiring them to be still again. That's how kids learn self regulation. We don't allow them to learn that any more, and then we wonder where all the ADD is coming from.

MineralMan

(146,341 posts)
13. She also wants to replace teachers with armed guards.
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 01:13 PM
Feb 2017

School isn't for learning. Under Devos, it will be all about controlling and teaching only certain lessons that promote blind obedience.

Teacher! Leave those kids alone!

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