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Ligyron

(7,632 posts)
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 10:44 AM Feb 2017

THE MOST IMPORTANT POST ON DU

I apologize for not posting a clickable link.

and speaking of links...

This post is about the link between Trump/Bannon and Putin/Dugin among other things. It's fascinating and I wish more people here would take a look and comment. It summarizes and ties together several other OP's and condenses everything very nicely with links to the sources for much of the material.

Right now there's only maybe a half dozen people involved in the discussion and I KNOW we have intelligent people here whose input would make this whole destruction of Liberalism thread more interesting.

I think it was AlexSFCA who kinda started the ball rolling in this area but it was then taken up by IamFortunesFool, whose post I refer too above, with contributions from GliderGuider and others.

Absolutely fascinating and very, very scary if true.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028632788

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THE MOST IMPORTANT POST ON DU (Original Post) Ligyron Feb 2017 OP
100% Frogg Feb 2017 #1
The striking coincidence of seemingly random connections DK504 Feb 2017 #2
I have been following this conversation mnhtnbb Feb 2017 #3
Puzzle pieces MedusaX Feb 2017 #4
Shameless kick and rec for attention to this important issue. Ligyron Feb 2017 #5
Kicking this for visibility--especially since the Flynn resignation. mnhtnbb Feb 2017 #6
Me too! Ligyron Feb 2017 #7

Frogg

(365 posts)
1. 100%
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 10:52 AM
Feb 2017

You are correct. This is the story! I also encourage everyone to take a look at Adam Khan on twitter. He retweeted a series of info compiled on the Russian connections. And he does use very credible sourcing. It is shocking. Also read Scott Dworkin on twitter.





DK504

(3,847 posts)
2. The striking coincidence of seemingly random connections
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 11:03 AM
Feb 2017

all point directly to the Orange Maggot and his minions is terrifying chart / family tree typr graph. Makes me want to throw up and punch the the wall at the same time. This chart needs to be written up and shown to all to see his connections to Russia and directly to Putin.

mnhtnbb

(31,388 posts)
3. I have been following this conversation
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 11:41 AM
Feb 2017

and go back and forth between thinking it's such a nefarious plot that it must be true because truth is stranger than fiction,
and then thinking there's no way this could be happening because it is seriously scary $hit requiring complicit actions
for a very long time between a lot of people.

If it IS true, we are well and truly fu*ked and entering a very dark period of world history. If it IS true, we have a short time
to get rid of Trump/Pence/Bannon/McConnell/Ryan (because they are all involved) and we seriously need a do-over election.

I do not think the Republicans have the balls to impeach Trump or use the 25th Amendment. That means something else has to
happen for him to be removed from office (death?).

I was heartened to see that an emergency petition for a Writ of Mandamus calling for the nullification of the election has been filed with the SCOTUS and
apparently is on their docket. Have I missed the media reporting about this? Or are they being silent?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028639119

So, yes, I agree it is a very interesting discussion as well as fascinating and scary as $hit.

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
4. Puzzle pieces
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 04:35 PM
Feb 2017

Bannon had been shopping for the proper blunt tool for quite a while before Trump was decided upon...

Perry, Palin, Cruz...

Trump was ideal because he could effectively regurgitate the rhetoric necessary to feed Bannon's base while successfully running the con on various other factions who each required a different (and often contradictory) "message".

Trump's "talent" could easily be acquired for a relatively minimal cost:
* Forgiveness of outstanding indebtedness to various "personal" lenders
* the opportunity/power to exact revenge on all who had ever slighted him and
* the potential for a Trump Dynasty that would eventually lead to Ivanka being the 1st female Jewish "president"...

Like any self-proclaimed master deal maker, Trump likely marketed this *All Access WH package* far & wide...
At some point both Bannon & Putin realized that Trump could effectively serve each of their purposes (despite their distinct differences) simultaneously and the unlikely trio united....
Flynn may have been instrumental in facilitating this union to some degree...
[ if this is the case, Flynn also likely agreed early on to be the fall guy if necessary (rewarded of course)
Contacting Russia about sanctions served multiple purposes:
* the obvious- convey sanction related reassurances
* Create a diversionary trail to be followed
* Create opportunity to taint Pence /others as they publicly deny allegations - in support of Flynn
* Worst case- sets up Flynn as sole lone wolf to be sacrificed in order to publicly "close" the Russia investigation ]


45's lack of constitutional knowledge is an advantage in that people are inclined to evaluate his actions using a traditional governmental construct and will tend to rationalize based on his "inexperience" with governmental processes...
The resulting grace period allows much to be tested and potentially upended while the "people" are still convinced things will be great ....
and the GOP remains hopeful that they can get their agenda items passed thru & signed in exchange for their silence & unconditional support

by the time everyone realizes it is only getting worse, the master plan will already be well underway and most, if not all, of the traditional safeguards (checks & balances) will have been subjected to extreme vetting for weak spots and some may even be effectively immobilized.


The average US citizen has no mental framework in place that allows for the possibility that the US "System" is capable of being subverted...
There is this universal assumption that the US System is indestructible and eternally self-sustaining ...simply because no one is old enough to have experienced anything (specific to the US) to the contrary.

As a result, no one seems to be overly inquisitive as to
* Why so few candidates have even been named for the majority of positions ....

* Why the Transition Team chose not to Vett the few candidates that have been named...

* Why these extremely wealthy cabinet candidates would even consider having to disclose (much less potentially divest) their financial holdings... and if truly so desirous of the position (for respectable reasons) then why the hold up on submitting required docs?

* Why would an alleged master "businessman" ever choose these candidates, who are clearly less than qualified and often fierce opponents of their respective departments?

* Why get rid of the experienced knowledgeable staff members & Ambassadors?
* Why move quickly to issue EO's & Rollbacks when both understaffed and new staff is lacking in procedural knowledge?

Regardless, the result is a skeleton crew aboard a ship that is barreling along with the throttle wide open.....

No one seems concerned that
This conveniently allows Tillerson the autonomy to facilitate Putin's efforts to efficiently access Russia's shale oil (and others) without any oversight or transparency required.


We know that
45 has a way of foreshadowing future projection topics by referencing seemingly unrelated topics when twitter- ranting ....
(Rigged system - Voter Fraud- unfair Media, crime rates, martial law, etc)

A recent rant accused McCain & Graham of always trying to start WW III...
Random?

Now consider that all of the Trump Team rhetoric and much of their "whining" about 45 being unfairly criticized and falsely accused of actions etc..
These claims have often included repeated verbiage/ terms that are eerily similar to those cited as seditious according to the (expired) Sedetion Act .. (perhaps setting the stage to squelch resistance / domestic insurgents)

Add in the Mexico EO contents:
* 10,000 new ICE agents
* 5,000 Border Patrol...
* detention centers at border ...
* enlisting local law enforcement officers as immigration deputies...
* Elimination of Sanctuary City eligibility for Fed. funds....

Then consider the following:

50 U.S. Code Chapter 3 - ALIEN ENEMIES

Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government,
and the President makes public proclamation of the event,
all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward,
who shall be within the United States and NOT actually naturalized,
shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies.

The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable;
•the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and
•in what cases,
and
•upon what security
their residence shall be permitted,

and to
•provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom;
and
•to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety.
(R.S. § 4067; Apr. 16, 1918, ch. 55, 40 Stat. 531.)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/chapter-3



Let's now re-consider the "Travel Ban" Exec Order:
1. Implemented in a way that would undoubtedly draw attention to it ...
2. attempted to set a precedent for the blanket rescinding of legal permanent residency via an EO

Meanwhile ...
* Chief of Border Patrol - who had openly expressed support of comprehensive immigration reform- is asked to step down
&
* State Department exodus takes place

* National Security Counsel Principals committee member changes made which added Bannon and reduced roles of important standing members...

All of this activity (and more) occurred in the first 3 weeks...
yet most people continue to rationalize this as
"Missteps" due to 45 & gang's inexperience.

Most likely the short term environment will be one of scripted chaos designed to incite further acts leading to strict martial law and the "suspension" of rights disguised as necessary acts to ensure public safety.....

If necessary, 45 will resort to declaring war on some foreign country/govt. ... (Bannon would probably prefer to simply instigate a war between two other groups that we could then become a party to...)

----
If we are destined to follow the current course, what might it ultimately look like in terms of day to day life ?

Education + Immigration = Creating an indentured flock

Recent proposals/actions indicate a desired
Decrease in legal immigration numbers with immigration priority given to
* spouses (pro-creation purposes??)
* & minor children ( will attend either privatized or publicly funded evangelical schools)
* & elderly family members in need of medical care but only if they can pay out of pocket

Immigration Priority No LONGER given to adult relatives
(who are able bodied & would be a source of income tax revenues)

Plus the authorized Deportation of an estimated 8+ million under earlier EO will
•result in both job & housing vacancies
• while "asset seizures" will serve as incentives for law enforcement to participate willingly.....

45 has already inquired about a possible need for an EO to enhance ability of Law Enforcement Officers to seize assets at the time of arrest or when thought to be the fruit of perceived "criminal" activity....
No conviction required.

Government emphasis on facilitating the
Resurgence of Manufacturing, Mining, Manual Labor jobs will result in
* abundance of low paying jobs
* decreased demand for highly skilled labor; scientific research; technology; & higher education


Denial of anything scientifically deemed "harmful" to health facilitates deregulation on all levels and eliminates perceived need to offer related medical care.
Which makes it possible to have Healthcare Services for Everyone
By providing just enough care to keep people physically capable of "working".


Focus on need for Military build up might include a mandatory service period for males...

Consistent efforts to delegitimize equal branch power structure results in total
Control Over Exec/Legis/Judicial branches allowing for:
* Elimination of Bill of Rights
* new laws based on Evangelical values
* Police State to "support" new laws
* Allows for establishing a National Religion:
Evangelical Christianity
* Elimination of Birth Control
* Religious Education controlling knowledge acquired by students/youth
* Return to Traditional Gender Role / Gender Inequality /
* Racial Discrimination culturally & legally supported


Basically the elimination of a functional "middle class"
and a
Return to the "I owe my soul to the Company Store" business model
In which a
Few Ultra-Elites monopolize the major industries
& benefit from massive profit margins
* without facing competition from within the industry
* Without government intervention
& • without fear of losing workers to other industries ..



I am not completely convinced that the trio were truly prepared to engage in a full scale mission quite this soon...
They likely anticipated only having control over one branch or the other for the next 2-4 yrs...giving them time to test limits and inconspicuously begin/continue chipping away at the foundation from within..
But it appears that having been given total control over both Exec & Legislative branches, they have chosen to proceed despite the lack of preparedness...
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