What if we split the country in two? Two countries?

[Equinox Moon]

One for rational people and one for the idiot psychopaths.

[teezy]

1. So a bigger Canada? :) n/t

[Equinox Moon]

2. Maybe join California with their process to split off.

[Laffy Kat]

3. How 'bout three ways?

DU-ers take a third. Which part of the country shall we call ours? Do we get the mountains or a coast? What should we name it?

[Equinox Moon]

8. I like the 3-way idea.

I think each new country should have an ocean border.

[Laffy Kat]

10. OK.

That would mean we would divide the country longitudinally and all three countries will have two coastlines and three time zones. That's not confusing. Not at all.

[Equinox Moon]

18. No, no, no.

Horizontally.

[boston bean]

19. We are not fucking taking florida!

lol

[Laffy Kat]

23. Agree 100%

What about the middle part? It's got a little bit of everything.

[Equinox Moon]

24. Sounds good to me!

What do we call it?

Sanesafeland

[Equinox Moon]

26. Ha!

[radical noodle]

32. Hey!

I don't want to move!

[Equinox Moon]

42. I know, right...it's part of the issue of this.

[HopeAgain]

4. I've got Trumpers on each side of me in my neighborhood.

Would be some awfully strange borders.

[Equinox Moon]

6. People will move to their country that reflects their views.

[Xipe Totec]

5. Been done. One wore gray, the other blue. nt

[Grassy Knoll]

11. Yep...

[denbot]

25. It didn't work out.

Bigly

[democratisphere]

7. I think 6-8 countries would be a great idea.

Northeast States, Southeast States, North Central States, South Central States, Northwest States, Southwest States, Hawaii, Alaska. Americans just can't get along with each other anymore.

[Equinox Moon]

9. Oh, dear dear Hawaii. America stole you.

Hawaii was led by a monarchy.

[Laffy Kat]

13. I'm all for Du-ers taking Hawaii.

Let everyone else have the snow. We'd get beaches and volcanoes.

[MrPurple]

28. Nah, the liberals ski more

[democratisphere]

15. I'm pretty sure Hawaii would be happy with a monarchy in lieu

of our current dictatorship.

[Equinox Moon]

27. Sweet, sweet, Hawaii

Such a special group of islands; dripping in beauty.

She needs to be returned to her monarchy. IMO.

[packman]

12. I do believe they tried this once

A rational North and a idiot psychopathic South which wanted to treat humans as chattel - still much of that still exists

[Initech]

14. The idiot half, with their no government government, wouldn't last a day.

When they realize they have no safety nets, they'd come crawling back.

[Equinox Moon]

16. I like you Initech. We think a lot alike.

[Initech]

17. Cool!

[Equinox Moon]

20. Cheers!

[MrPurple]

31. They'd have all the guns, though. We'd need a border wall.

[Equinox Moon]

43. Ha! true.

[PJMcK]

21. Nope

"One nation, indivisible..."

[Tommy_Carcetti]

22. So....divide by property lines?

That's going to be one hell of a crazy map.

[Equinox Moon]

29. Hmmmm....

Interesting aspect to consider.

It could look like a gerrymandering map.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

34. Considering that some people in the same household don't agree on things....

...you could probably divide by rooms.

[matt819]

30. All kidding aside

I think this needs serious consideration.

I've said this before and have been dismissed.

But intereSt is growing in this idea. Some gave dismissed it because of constitutional issues. Others because the current travesty is temporary.

Recent commentary has focused on following California's lead. I really would like to see something from intelligent people about the possibilities, options, process, etc.

The very real reality is that red and blue will never again find room for compromise. We just see the world very differently. So maybe it's time to at least set the thinking, if not the actual wheels, in motion.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

35. Putin would love it.

For sure.

[matt819]

37. Maybe

But also consider that the docket unionsr rolled into multiple states and had its influence reduced in its satellite states. Ok, that was in less then 100 years. The British empire is now England, Scotland (barely) and wales. Things change.

[Equinox Moon]

38. I agree completely.

It will be a very interesting development with the Calexit process underway. If any state could start this process of splitting up America, it would be California.

I would guess that Oregon and Washington would join them next and merge as one country. British Columbia has been invited too join them (in theory).

I don't think America can ever come together again. Dems and repubs are completely different countries now.

[msanthrope]

33. Jokers to the left of me....clowns to the right.....nt

[Equinox Moon]

39. ...and here i am...

[ProudLib72]

41. and I'm stuck in the middle

with you?

Sums it up nicely. Even with DUers in the middle, we'd have about a billion opinions on how to run things.

[MrPurple]

51. Is this the part where somebody loses an ear?

[panader0]

36. The gerrymandering would be epic.

[Equinox Moon]

40. Indeed!

[MarvinGardens]

44. Tough to split...

...when in many regions, the real divide is rural vs urban.

[Equinox Moon]

48. But what if we split into three parts horizontally?

[Dallasdem1988]

45. So sad to think

That a peaceful Balkanization may be the best thing for us at this point.


I am a fierce believer in the right to self determination. And if a group of whites want a all white nation, or some Christian theocracy, maybe its best we peacefully divorce before real bloodshed.

I also believe the same goes for all peoples religions and creeds. A black gentleman I used to work with was a very proud black nationalist, he was tired of his people suffering the yoke of racism which resulted in oppressive measures and senseless violence against black youth in particular. He believed that he and his had the right to self determination, even if that meant the freedom from diversity.

I wanted to argue at first, but then I had to come to agree with him, who am I to tell him his people don't deserve freedom from such atrocity?

[Equinox Moon]

47. Very interesting. Thanks.

[Jim Beard]

46. Didn't we try this once?

[struggle4progress]

49. It's an anti-regulatory rightwing ideologue's wet-dream

The fruitcakes have been pushing this idea for decades now

[Equinox Moon]

50. I was not aware. Yet, I knew of Texas wanting to split off.

[Dallasdem1988]

52. Is it still

Only in their best interest? At what point do we just say enough and save ourselves from them?

[Equinox Moon]

55. I think both sides are fed up! Splitting could be very real.

California is starting it.

[putitinD]

53. The red half would starve without the blue half to support it!

[Blue_true]

54. Liberals take the West 25 states. Have free movement for

Two years so that conservatives can move east and liberals move West. We get Texas and would need to send a lot of jerks east from Texas. We lose the eastcoast, but can develop everything we loose out West, even better.

[TranssexualKaren]

57. I don't think it would be so clean.

Actually, I think we would be several countries. New England is nice but there are differences with us.
At some point in the 21st century we will have a single world government, but with separation we could incubate democracy.

[TranssexualKaren]

56. Change is only possible with separation.

We can never get rid of the electoral college and have a rational democracy until we can separate ourselves from the knuckledraggers.

[Doreen]

58. I keep saying that

maybe Washington, Oregon, and California should ban together and become our own country. Together we would have everything to succeed on our own. We are all blue states so we are already in agreement on most things.

[Equinox Moon]

59. This grouping could be an acutal reality.

It could start a domino's effect.

[Doreen]

60. Well, among all three of us we have enough climate and land types for any agriculture we would need

to survive and we have both Canada and Mexico hooked to us for trade and allies and we have ports all along for access to other countries. I see us as very self sustaining. The rest of the country would be losing out on some strong states.

[Equinox Moon]

61. This is key. The loss to the rest of the states.

Those three progressive states currently help the rest of the country with some sense of balance.

[Doreen]

62. I am glad that I belong to them.

I say it that way because I live in Washington right now but am moving to Oregon in a month or two.