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**Breaking News on Rachel Maddow** (Original Post) SummerSnow Feb 2017 OP
Article... jmg257 Feb 2017 #1
Calls into question the results of the election, don't it. gtar100 Feb 2017 #2
voter fraud! terrorists from ME countries! Look here instead! wordpix Feb 2017 #9
Yes. Something doesn't pass the smell test. Initech Feb 2017 #10
that's my plan wordpix Feb 2017 #11
I'm with you Plucketeer Feb 2017 #46
And I fear that this focus on Flynn just distracts TexasBushwhacker Feb 2017 #13
It's going to be a slow release, with each release, the noose tightens. alfredo Feb 2017 #33
Didn't we all know this before the election? Freethinker65 Feb 2017 #3
Well then it wouldn't be "breaking" would it? (though SO FAR there is no evidence of collusion). jmg257 Feb 2017 #5
So far this is not really breaking news then? I read all of this stuff back in August, if not before Freethinker65 Feb 2017 #7
Yep and similiar article last month too jmg257 Feb 2017 #8
King Chaos is finding out he doesn't have control w/ just the stroke of a pen wordpix Feb 2017 #17
It ain't getting any better, that's for sure! jmg257 Feb 2017 #18
He'll resign and Pence will pardon him. alfredo Feb 2017 #34
Speaking of Manafort, appearance of a Russian cabal with him, Tillerson, Flynn, Trump wordpix Feb 2017 #12
Roger Stone, Carter Page... Freethinker65 Feb 2017 #16
don't know these, I'll have to read up wordpix Feb 2017 #19
They are chewing their way up the chain of command. alfredo Feb 2017 #36
Here's one from November - sourced BY the Russian listed in the newer articles. jmg257 Feb 2017 #21
Yes, we knew it. StarryNite Feb 2017 #15
According to Joy Reid - the new news is that they met with Russian *Intelligence* officials eleny Feb 2017 #20
Thanks much for the update!! Freethinker65 Feb 2017 #22
You're welcome! I saw your post earlier eleny Feb 2017 #23
This story confirms that the intelligence community has many of the conversations on tape. meadowlander Feb 2017 #39
Rachel pointed out the difference triron Feb 2017 #44
drip drip drip OMG the water broke grantcart Feb 2017 #4
I predict this will be bigger than Watergate. sarcasmo Feb 2017 #6
There's no question this is bigger than watergate crazylikafox Feb 2017 #14
No doubt workinclasszero Feb 2017 #31
And MSNBC just said they had a FISA Warrant so they have both sides of the conversations Stonepounder Feb 2017 #24
FISA!!! bucolic_frolic Feb 2017 #30
If there is any proof that there was collusion elmac Feb 2017 #25
Macolm Nance said they had better start getting lawyers. GreatCaesarsGhost Feb 2017 #26
That came out the in The NY Times. My question is why wasn't this released before the election still_one Feb 2017 #27
To do as much damage to trump as they can. alfredo Feb 2017 #38
The problem is the American people have been robbed still_one Feb 2017 #40
Yes we have, but we are seeing yet another example of, alfredo Feb 2017 #48
Trump's Russian pals defend Flynn keithbvadu2 Feb 2017 #28
There it is bucolic_frolic Feb 2017 #29
Its about time! Akacia Feb 2017 #32
Can't we just prevent something like this from happening again by setting the precedent of... butdiduvote Feb 2017 #35
So who is going to do the "install"? triron Feb 2017 #45
Drip...Drip...Drip... workinclasszero Feb 2017 #37
Just hoping there's enough behind the dam to take out the top tiers of the Republican party too. meadowlander Feb 2017 #41
Boy I agree with that!!! workinclasszero Feb 2017 #42
And here we are again at the "bringing down" moment defacto7 Feb 2017 #43
The Intel community is slow walking releases, letting trump twist in the wind alfredo Feb 2017 #49
Who is going to do anything about it? C Moon Feb 2017 #47

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
1. Article...
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 10:29 PM
Feb 2017
WASHINGTON — Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications around the same time that they were discovering evidence that Russia was trying to disrupt the presidential election by hacking into the Democratic National Committee, three of the officials said. The intelligence agencies then sought to learn whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election.

The officials interviewed in recent weeks said that, so far, they had seen no evidence of such cooperation


But the intercepts alarmed American intelligence and law enforcement agencies, in part because of the amount of contact that was occurring while Mr. Trump was speaking glowingly about the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin. At one point last summer, Mr. Trump said at a campaign event that he hoped Russian intelligence services had stolen Hillary Clinton’s emails and would make them public...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

Manafort, Carter Page, Roger Stone, and Flynn.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
2. Calls into question the results of the election, don't it.
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 10:35 PM
Feb 2017

Hmm. I wonder what the republicans will do, those shining exemplars of "American Values".

Integrity was never really something they cared much for. Just a show of it when it serves their purposes.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
9. voter fraud! terrorists from ME countries! Look here instead!
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 10:47 PM
Feb 2017

The repukes will do anything to keep US from looking at Russian election hacking.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
11. that's my plan
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 10:50 PM
Feb 2017
Seriously, I'm not standing for gawd's own dummy Pence or Paulie Blue Eyes who would get rid of ACA with a finger snap. They never ran for pres and they did not get 3 million more votes than Drump. I'm with HeR.
 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
46. I'm with you
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 12:57 AM
Feb 2017

Pence and Ryan aren't folks I'd want any more than Trump. Hillary won the popular vote - bring her on back! Then what about all the rep seats we lost? What a different country we would see!

TexasBushwhacker

(20,190 posts)
13. And I fear that this focus on Flynn just distracts
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 10:55 PM
Feb 2017

from the real issue. It's not enough for Flynn to be out. Frankly, it's not enough for Trump to resign or be removed. We need to find out what the Russians did to influence the election; how far does it go. And perhaps we need another election.

Freethinker65

(10,021 posts)
7. So far this is not really breaking news then? I read all of this stuff back in August, if not before
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 10:43 PM
Feb 2017

Manafort was forced out because if it. What we did not have were the transcripts of the communications. After the election, collusion was inferred, but no evidence given. I am hoping/ assuming there is something new in the reporting. I do not have cable TV and am just reading as things get discussed.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
8. Yep and similiar article last month too
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 10:46 PM
Feb 2017
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html

Intercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates
By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT, MATTHEW ROSENBERG, ADAM GOLDMAN and MATT APUZZO JAN. 19, 2017
WASHINGTON — American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.


Basically they have been investigating the connections for month(s), and are still looking for evidence.

Maybe w/re: Flynn will turn something up?

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
17. King Chaos is finding out he doesn't have control w/ just the stroke of a pen
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 11:01 PM
Feb 2017

Trump has p'o'd professional agency people and they'll leak it if they get more info.

I said after the election this is not the end of it. I have a pretty good sense of where things are headed ---to impeachment and criminal charges against many of Trump's cabal and Trump himself---but of course, anything can happen and no one can predict the future. And maybe I'm overly optimistic (but I don't think so---I think the King is going down)

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
12. Speaking of Manafort, appearance of a Russian cabal with him, Tillerson, Flynn, Trump
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 10:54 PM
Feb 2017

am I missing anyone? Bannon perhaps?

There is something new. More people in more agencies are leaking the info. Won't be long before there will be some leak about Drumpf himself.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
21. Here's one from November - sourced BY the Russian listed in the newer articles.
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 11:14 PM
Feb 2017
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/world/europe/trump-campaign-russia.html?_r=0

MOSCOW — The Russian government maintained contacts with members of Donald J. Trump’s “immediate entourage” during the American presidential campaign, one of Russia’s top diplomats said Thursday.

“There were contacts,” Sergei A. Ryabkov, the deputy foreign minister, was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency. “We continue to do this and have been doing this work during the election campaign,” he said.

Mr. Ryabkov said officials in the Russian Foreign Ministry were familiar with many of the people he described as Mr. Trump’s entourage. “I cannot say that all, but a number of them maintained contacts with Russian representatives,” Mr. Ryabkov said.

Later, the Foreign Ministry in Moscow said Mr. Ryabkov had been referring to American politicians and supporters of Mr. Trump, not members of his campaign staff. The contacts were carried out through the Russian ambassador in Washington, who reached out to the senators and other political allies to get a better sense of Mr. Trump’s positions on various issues involving Russia.

StarryNite

(9,445 posts)
15. Yes, we knew it.
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 10:59 PM
Feb 2017

We were telling our rethuglican family members and friends that tRump and Putin had a thing goin' on. But practically all the media kept talking about was Hillary's emails. People who hate Hillary for whatever reason, chose to believe that Hillary's emails made her unfit and that there was nothing to the tRump and Putin connection. Then having Russia's interference and Comey throwing more bullshit on the fire while ignoring what tRump was up to didn't help. Had the media been doing their job it may have been stopped before tRump's regime took hold.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
23. You're welcome! I saw your post earlier
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 11:29 PM
Feb 2017

I was inclined to agree with the spirit of your point. Except that there's a difference between knowing factually and believing something.

And then I heard Joy make this point and understood why it's so intense. Not only do we have proof of contacts, who they met with is over the top grievous.

meadowlander

(4,395 posts)
39. This story confirms that the intelligence community has many of the conversations on tape.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 12:36 AM
Feb 2017

And in that sense I think give more weight to what was more speculative before.

triron

(22,003 posts)
44. Rachel pointed out the difference
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 12:52 AM
Feb 2017

This article specifically links communication with Russian Intelligence.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
31. No doubt
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 12:04 AM
Feb 2017

The sitting president conspired with a foreign government to subvert, hack and "win" the election!?

Political story of the century!

What did Trump have to promise Putin in exchange for his help in "winning" the election??

Trump will go down in history as the worst traitor ever!

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
24. And MSNBC just said they had a FISA Warrant so they have both sides of the conversations
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 11:39 PM
Feb 2017

on tape!

OMG, this could be the beginning of the end.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
25. If there is any proof that there was collusion
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 11:45 PM
Feb 2017

between tRump and Putin to throw the election, other then him asking for russian hacking of Clintons email on national TV which should be proof enough, then prison time and a nulled election should follow.

alfredo

(60,071 posts)
38. To do as much damage to trump as they can.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 12:29 AM
Feb 2017

I hope there's the proverbial "finding him in bed with a dead hooker or a live boy."

alfredo

(60,071 posts)
48. Yes we have, but we are seeing yet another example of,
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:10 AM
Feb 2017

Republicans not being willing or able to effectively govern. They lack the moral core to be trusted with power.

butdiduvote

(284 posts)
35. Can't we just prevent something like this from happening again by setting the precedent of...
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 12:18 AM
Feb 2017

...installing the robbed candidate, in this case Hillary?

Maybe campaigns will think twice about colluding with foreign entities to sway elections in the future if they know discovery of their transgressions would result in the immediate installation of their campaign opponent?

meadowlander

(4,395 posts)
41. Just hoping there's enough behind the dam to take out the top tiers of the Republican party too.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 12:40 AM
Feb 2017

We need to get pretty deep in the line of succession before we get to a non-wingnut.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
43. And here we are again at the "bringing down" moment
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 12:46 AM
Feb 2017

...yet there's no one to do the bringing down.

The entire administration needs to go, all the executive orders need to be rescinded, all appointees need to be stopped in their tracks and unconfirmed ones put on an indefinite hold. But who's going to do that? There is no constitutional way to override congress and the executive. The SCOTUS has no power to call it out of thin air.

The only reasonable answer is a new election... but who's going to call for it? who's in charge of running such an election and who's going to make it fair?

We are in a tough corner, people. All ways out lead to GOP/fascist control or a military take over. The ropes are deviously and firmly tied. I'd love to hear some realistic ideas; I surly can't think of any.

alfredo

(60,071 posts)
49. The Intel community is slow walking releases, letting trump twist in the wind
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:14 AM
Feb 2017

Trump fucked with the wrong people.

I think they won't lower the boom until they are sure of their evidence.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
47. Who is going to do anything about it?
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:07 AM
Feb 2017

The congress, the senate? Time and time again, they make it clear there will be no investigations.

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