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babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 10:56 AM Feb 2017

STEP BY STEP:

HERE IT IS... STEP BY STEP:

1) Trump owes Blackstone/ Bayrock group $560 million dollars (one of his largest debtors and the primary reason he won't reveal his tax returns)

2) Blackstone is owned wholly by Russian billionaires, who owe their position to Putin and have made billions from their work with the Russian government.

3) Other companies that have borrowed from Blackstone have claimed that owing money to them is like owing to the Russian mob and while you owe them, they own you for many favors.

4) The Russian economy is badly faltering under the weight of its over-dependence on raw materials which as you know have plummeted in the last 2 years leaving the Russian economy scrambling to pay its debts.

5) Russia has an impetus to influence our election to ensure the per barrel oil prices are above $65 ( they are currently hovering around $50)

6) Russia can't affordably get at 80% of its oil reserves and reduce its per barrel cost to compete with America at $45 or Saudi Arabia at $39. With Iranian sanctions being lifted Russia will find another inexpensive competitor increasing production and pushing Russia further down the list of suppliers. As for Iranian sanctions, the 6 countries lifting them allowing Iran to collect on the billions it is owed for pumping oil but not being paid for it. These billions Iran can only get if the Iranian nuclear deal is signed. Trump spoke of ending the deals which would cause oil sales sanctions to be reimposed, which would make Russian oil more competitive.

7) Rex Tillerson (Trump's pick for Secretary of State) is the head of ExxonMobil, which is in possession of patented technology that could help Putin extract 45% more oil at a significant cost savings to Russia, helping Putin put money in the Russian coffers to help reconstitute its military and finally afford to mass produce the new and improved systems that it had invented before the Russian economy had slowed so much.

8) Putin cannot get access to these new cost saving technologies OR outside oil field development money, due to US sanctions on Russia, because of its involvement in Ukrainian civil war.

9) Look for Trump to end sanctions on Russia and to back out of the Iranian nuclear deal, to help Russia rebuild its economy, strengthen Putin and make Tillerson and Trump even richer, thus allowing Trump to satisfy his creditors at Blackstone.

10) With Trump's fabricated hatred of NATO and the U.N., the Russian military reconstituted, the threat to the Baltic states is real. Russia retaking their access to the Baltic Sea from Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia and threatening the shipping of millions of cubic feet of natural gas to lower Europe from Scandinavia, allowing Russia to make a good case for its oil and gas being piped into eastern Europe.


Sources: Time Magazine, NY Times, The Atlantic, The Guardian
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babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
5. Yes, I read that. He's still lining his pockets
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 11:19 AM
Feb 2017

despite the illegality, nevermind what his actions will do to our standing in the world.

BumRushDaShow

(128,967 posts)
3. Dumping more oil into the market from Russia
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 11:18 AM
Feb 2017

would kill the nascent oil fields in the northern tier states that are already hurting from Saudi (and OPEC) over-production. Drumpf would have to eliminate Saudi from the equation (fat chance).

And then Drumpf mumbled about Iraqi oil and how we should have taken that!

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
4. This good summary should include two more MONEY factors
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 11:18 AM
Feb 2017

1) Putin took Crimea because Ukraine levies tax on oil pipelines. Putin's oil is not very economic and needed cost reductions.

2) Putin's favorite Russian oil company sold a $19.5 Billion stake to a mystery unnamed buyer who is being kept hidden. Could be an Exxon/tRump connection there, especially if the mystery buyer actually parceled out pieces.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
6. Carter Page is associated with that $19.5 billion dollar stake in Rosneft
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 11:49 AM
Feb 2017

I extracted the most relevant paragraphs about the Rosneft deal but the entire article has a lot more information about Carter Page.

Memos: CEO of Russia's state oil company offered Trump adviser, allies a cut of huge deal if sanctions were lifted

Natasha Bertrand
Jan. 27, 2017, 7:06

<SNIP>

Rosneft then scrambled to find a foreign investor, holding talks with more than 30 potential buyers from Europe, the US, Asia, and the Middle East. The company signed a deal on December 7 to sell 19.5% of shares, or roughly $11 billion, to the multinational commodity trader Glencore Plc and Qatar's state-owned wealth fund. Qatar's sovereign wealth fund is Glencore's largest shareholder.

The "11th hour deal" was "so last minute," Reuters reported, "that it appeared it would not close in time to meet the government's deadline for booking money in the budget from the sale."

<SNIP>

The privatization deal was funded by Gazprombank, whose parent company is the state-owned Russian energy giant Gazprom.

Page holds investments in Gazprom, though he claimed in a letter to FBI Director James Comey in September that he sold his stake in the company "at a loss." His website says he served as an adviser "on key transactions" for the state-owned energy giant before setting up his energy investment fund, Global Energy Capital, in 2008 with former Gazprom executive Sergei Yatsenko.

There is no evidence that Carter played any role in the Rosneft deal. But he was back in Moscow on December 8 — one day after the deal was signed — to "meet with some of the top managers" of Rosneft, he told reporters at the time. Page denied meeting with Sechin, Rosneft's CEO, during that trip but said it would have been "a great honor" if he had.
http://www.businessinsider.com/carter-page-trump-russia-igor-sechin-dossier-2017-1


I've been sort of fascinated by Carter Page - who looks as though he could be a brother to Stephen Miller. While most Wikipedia articles have where people were born and grew up, Page's Wikipedia article is not even sure when he was born - "born 1971 or 1972." It does say that Page graduated from the US Naval Academy and I did find a Carter William Page who graduated in 1993 (https://www.congress.gov/nomination/103rd-congress/373).

Page seems to have been on the fringes of a lot of US-Russian business dealings, but never a main player and mostly forgettable. His resume reminds me of the old Alec Guiness spy character who was mostly invisible and unremarkable.

Here is the most recent bit about Carter Page - who seems to be working from the same playbook as Stephen Miller:
Carter Page, at Center of Trump Russian Investigation, Writes Bizarre Letter to DOJ Blaming Hillary Clinton
Jon Schwarz
February 15 2017, 9:05 p.m.

Carter Page, briefly a foreign policy adviser to Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, sent a peculiar, rambling letter this week to the Department of Justice, asking it to review “the severe election fraud in the form of disinformation, suppression of dissent, hate crimes and other extensive abuses led by members of Mrs. Hillary Clinton’s campaign and their political allies last year.”

Page is reportedly one of several targets of a counterintelligence investigation by the FBI into possible links between Trump associates and Russian officials.

Page provided the lengthy letter to The Intercept when asked whether he would support President Trump using his power as president to declassify any government material to disclose any intercepted conversations between Page and Russian officials. He did not say. Instead he forwarded the letter, which is well-formatted, heavily-footnoted, grammatically correct and has no spelling mistakes. However, its content is bizarre.

To begin with, it is addressed to the voting section of the Justice Department’s civil rights division, which is charged exclusively with enforcing federal laws that protect the right to vote.

More, including some of the bizarre contents of the letter: https://theintercept.com/2017/02/15/carter-page-at-center-of-trump-russian-investigation-writes-bizarre-letter-to-doj-blaming-hillary-clinton/

mcar

(42,329 posts)
8. He was on the PBS News hour last night
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 11:57 AM
Feb 2017

Smarmy, smug and lying constantly. I had a visceral reaction to him.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
10. Thanks for the background and correcting me on the dollar value (19.5 was percentag, not dollars)
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:09 PM
Feb 2017

But the hidden buyer is still a mystery.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
11. I want to post this on Facebook, too, if that's okay.
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:15 PM
Feb 2017

But are there any links to the sourcing for Time, etc.?

I love the information and certainly do not doubt it. I just have a fundie on my Facebook feed that is stalking me and questioning everything that I post, and I want to be able to properly source it.

Thank you in advance.

babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
12. That's where I got it.
Thu Feb 16, 2017, 04:22 PM
Feb 2017

Only sources provided, no direct links or I would have posted them. Maybe if the fundie is that invested in the truth, he/she will look them up. I kid!!

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