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babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 10:07 AM Feb 2017

In Trumpworld, it's OK to be ignorant

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/opinion/article133978969.html

Opinion: In Trumpworld, it’s OK to be ignorant

BY LEONARD PITTS, JR.


It’s time we talked about the most consequential political divide in this country.

That divide is not between liberals and conservatives. Rather, it is between the ignorant and the informed, between those who have information and can extrapolate from it and those who do not and cannot. There is an education gap between left and right, and it poses a grave threat to our national future.

This gap has been empirically proven. A 2015 Pew Research Center study, for instance, found that only 24 percent of Americans with post-graduate degrees and 29 percent of those with college degrees identify as consistently or mostly conservative. The corresponding numbers for liberals were 54 and 44, with the rest not identifying strongly with either ideology.

But empirical proof is superfluous. The truth has been obvious since the knowledge-starved likes of Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin and Louie Gohmert first became stars of the political right. It has been obvious since Stephen Colbert found it necessary to coin the word “truthiness.”

Now, however, that ignorance has reached the highest levels of American governance. Did The Great Trumpkin really sign an executive order without knowing what was in it? Did he really reportedly have to ask what Vladimir Putin was talking about when the Russian president brought up an arms-control treaty in a phone call? Is his Twitter feed really a blizzard of embarrassing misspellings? Was there really a misspelling in his official inauguration poster? Did his Education Department — repeat: his Education Department — really misspell “W.E.B. Du Bois” and then, misspell its apology? Did he really praise Frederick Douglass, stone cold dead since 1895, as “an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job and is getting recognized more and more?”

Sigh. Yes, all of it.

As he has already legitimized coarseness, misogyny and bigotry, the so-called president now legitimizes ignorance.


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The need to fix American education could not be more stark or urgent. We must wrench our local school boards free of partisan political hackery and re-double our efforts to teach our children not what, but how to think. The world is not growing less complex or challenging while we dither about, literally pretending ignorance is bliss.

With apologies to The United Negro College Fund: A country is also a terrible thing to waste.

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In Trumpworld, it's OK to be ignorant (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2017 OP
My late father, a doctor, used to criticize anyone with an advanced degree. no_hypocrisy Feb 2017 #1
Sounds like my father, now in his 80's. Kath2 Feb 2017 #11
I hear ya! no_hypocrisy Feb 2017 #15
OMG! Kath2 Feb 2017 #17
Knowing plenty of doctors, with MD degrees, not all have common sense SharonAnn Feb 2017 #16
With all due respect to your late father PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2017 #20
Replying to your (3) replies: no_hypocrisy Feb 2017 #25
Even worse. Kath2 Feb 2017 #2
And viewed with suspicion if you're not. tanyev Feb 2017 #3
In "Idiocracy" anyone who knows how to read becomes suspect. nt tblue37 Feb 2017 #9
Not only "OK" rock Feb 2017 #4
Ya beat me to it! "Mandatory".....and "Scared Shitless." (nt) Paladin Feb 2017 #10
I nominate Sarah Palin to be the "Make America Ignorant" poster child. oasis Feb 2017 #5
It doesn't take much time in public forums online... Docreed2003 Feb 2017 #6
Not even a matter of "can not" get info and extrapolate--but those who CHOOSE not to. CousinIT Feb 2017 #7
"Idiocracy" has been re-classified from a comedy to a documentary. Cooley Hurd Feb 2017 #8
Really when you get right down to it... blue sky at night Feb 2017 #12
Pol Pot took this shit to the extreme and executed people who wore glasses dalton99a Feb 2017 #13
OK? Hell, its the only qualification Augiedog Feb 2017 #14
"Ignorance is strength." yallerdawg Feb 2017 #18
If we're so smart, why do we still lose? dawg Feb 2017 #19
Republicans were willing to defend "Grab 'em by the pussy." dawg Feb 2017 #21
I can't give a bigger defacto7 Feb 2017 #22
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States... alterfurz Feb 2017 #23
Cult of ignorance hvn_nbr_2 Feb 2017 #24
Not only OK, ignorance is a prerequisite. Hoyt Feb 2017 #26

no_hypocrisy

(46,101 posts)
1. My late father, a doctor, used to criticize anyone with an advanced degree.
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 10:19 AM
Feb 2017

Used to complain that the country was being run by MBA's and nobody with common sense had any input. It sounded like a Bill O'Reilly program.

Dad's sentiments are now policy apparently.


And not only is ignorance wisdom in a 1984 way, willful ignorance is divine. I have a friend in Israel who recognize anti-Semitism in the U.S. from *both* the rightwing and the leftwing, but he professes that the leftwing is much worse than the rightwing.

Kath2

(3,074 posts)
11. Sounds like my father, now in his 80's.
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 11:23 AM
Feb 2017

Age has not diminished his anger over anyone not exactly like him. Of course he is a big Trump supporter.

He made my life hell in high school (1973 - 1976). We still speak, but are emotionally estranged.

no_hypocrisy

(46,101 posts)
15. I hear ya!
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 12:15 PM
Feb 2017

If my father were still alive, I'd be hearing repetitious Trump quotes 24/7 and "Did you hear what Donald Trump said today?"

My father had the last laugh: he disinherited me, my brother, and my sister. But he DID leave $35,000 to the Trump-lover neighbor across the street.

Kath2

(3,074 posts)
17. OMG!
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 12:35 PM
Feb 2017

I come from the same experience. Trump quotes, Fox news quotes and quaking with rage over black, brown, gay, poor and liberal people. I'll be seeing him tonight for my daughter's birthday. I suspect he will be on good behavior because he knows she is more liberal than me and is way more vocal, too.

BTW, my girlfriend's father disinherited her because she is bi. So nice.

SharonAnn

(13,772 posts)
16. Knowing plenty of doctors, with MD degrees, not all have common sense
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 12:22 PM
Feb 2017

My father was a doctor and most adult friends were doctors. There were not all blessed with "common sense". But they all thought they were right on every issue.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,855 posts)
20. With all due respect to your late father
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 12:39 PM
Feb 2017

and to all of the doctors out there, it's been my observation that doctors are incredibly likely to believe that just because they have that medical degree they know everything about everything. It's a bit scary. Especially when you consider that the nature of their chosen field is such that while they may very well know an enormous amount about medicine, especially their specific branch of it, they are often likely to be far more narrow in their knowledge than they realize.

no_hypocrisy

(46,101 posts)
25. Replying to your (3) replies:
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 04:22 PM
Feb 2017

You get it.

I was raised by a man (like Trump) who thought he was smarter than God, often demonstrating poor judgment. I didn't go along with him because poor judgment is poor judgment, and I wasn't born a lemming. To her credit, my sister woke up after our father passed. She used to try to become what she thought he wanted as a perfect daughter, to her ongoing frustration. That created a schism between us.

oasis

(49,383 posts)
5. I nominate Sarah Palin to be the "Make America Ignorant" poster child.
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 10:26 AM
Feb 2017
Deplorable nation wallowing in stoopidity (sp).

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
6. It doesn't take much time in public forums online...
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 10:35 AM
Feb 2017

To realize not only are many Trump supporters ignorant of facts, they are willfully so. I had one such supporter suggest that Trump not only wasn't a racist or bigot but that he had never said anything remotely racist/sexist/or bigoted during the campaign. Even when faced with quotes, they were dismissed as quotes take out of context or altered and not truly reflective of Trumps beliefs. That type of pretzel logic will never accept reality, such as Russian/Trump ties. They believe that Dems are just angry over the election and trying to tear Trump down by pushing the Russian angle. When you have a press secretary like Spicer pushing bullshit daily, it only validates their worldview.

CousinIT

(9,244 posts)
7. Not even a matter of "can not" get info and extrapolate--but those who CHOOSE not to.
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 10:42 AM
Feb 2017

I have relatives who willfully CHOOSE political ignorance. They vote Republican and they voted for TRUMP.

One has a college degree. But he never watches news and pays zero attention to what's going on. He's a misogynist pig who voted for and defends TRUMP whatever he does -- because in HIS opinion, whatever TRUMP does could never any worse than having some WOMAN in the WH. ANY woman. He's MRA and hates women. NO MATTER HOW QUALIFIED.

The other family member is just (chooses to be) politically ignorant. She doesn't look at news on the internet or on the TV nor does she read newspapers. Where does she get her info? From her own ass - her husband - a Republican who decries "socialism" even as he LIVES on it: TriCare, Social Security and before that SSI and a military pension. ALL "socialist" money. Does he send it BACK and refuse to accept this socialism?

NO.

He insists HE needs it. But others? NO, he says. Bunch of illegals all abusing the system and getting all this stuff, he says. HE needs it. My 89-year-old Mom who has been a citizen all her life and all the 89-year-old citizens who are here too and those who will come after them, -- they don't NEED it. But HE does.

Ignorant asses, the lot of them.

And they CHOOSE that. Actively. Willfully.

It's not a matter of CAN'T get info or process it. THEY. REFUSE.

blue sky at night

(3,242 posts)
12. Really when you get right down to it...
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 11:45 AM
Feb 2017

it is not just O K A Y to be I G N O R A N T but a R E Q U I R E M E N T. There just is no other explanation.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
19. If we're so smart, why do we still lose?
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 12:37 PM
Feb 2017

Answer: because we keep trying to reason with people who cannot be reasoned with.

The Republicans are masters at manipulating the voters. They are always willing to "go there" and push whatever buttons it takes to get out their base.

Sadly, we need to learn from that.

And for God's sake, put up a united front from the very first minute our primaries are over.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
21. Republicans were willing to defend "Grab 'em by the pussy."
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 12:41 PM
Feb 2017

Conservatives have been defending Milo's pedo talk.

And we have a shit-ton of useless mouth-breathers who weren't even willing to defend the Secretary of State for using the "wrong" email server.

alterfurz

(2,474 posts)
23. "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States...
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 01:09 PM
Feb 2017

...and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov



hvn_nbr_2

(6,486 posts)
24. Cult of ignorance
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 04:10 PM
Feb 2017

This cult of ignorance and of glorifying ignorance is nothing new. I grew up in a very conservative area--4 counties out of 66 in the state voted for Goldwater, and my county was one of the four, so we had quite a few knuckledraggers.

I remember in ninth grade civics class about 1962 or 1963, someone was sure that we are "a Christian nation" and that the constitution is based on God and Christianity. The teacher responded that the word God does not appear in the U.S. Constitution. The knuckledragger was incensed and knew that that was not true. Now, the question of whether the word God appears in the U.S. constitution is an easily tested empirical question, and I tested it by reading the constitution (Hey, it was 1962. We didn't have web-based text search.). But the knuckledragger would have none of that--the cult of ignorance believes that the gold standard for determining truth is this: truth is whatever they want to believe.

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