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MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 04:59 PM Feb 2017

Retail Shopping Has Changed Drastically

Used to be, long ago, back in the 19th century and early 20th century, that you went into a store, approached a clerk and told that clerk what you wanted. In some stores, comfortable chairs were available and the clerk came to you to take your order. The clerk would then get the stuff you wanted and bring it to the counter, and then pack it all up for you. Often, they'd even deliver it to your home. That happened even in grocery stores. Other people did all the work, and waited on you.

Then, the concept of self-help shopping came around. Now, you went around the store and collected the items you wanted and put them in a rolling cart, then took them to a check out station, where a clerk tallied it all up and then packaged it for you to take away. We're still doing that in supermarkets and almost every other kind of retail store. In many, we even have to bag up our own purchases. Most retail businesses, including some of the largest ones, still operate exactly like that. That system was introduced not long into the 20th century.

Today, stores are installing or have installed self-check terminals. One store staffer watches over four or so of those, while customers scan their items, pay and then bag them. We're getting used to doing that too, and it has extended to things like gas stations, where nobody is there to help you at all. You are monitored from inside a convenience store, and you can pay with your credit or debit card. The store staff is there just to watch and make sure you pay for your stuff. They don't help you at all.

Each change made things cheaper for the store by making customers do a lot of the work that store employees used to do. And we consumers have gone right along with all that, doing what used to be the work of store employees.

Now, though, we're getting tired of all that work, and are switching to shopping online, where we pick out what we want on a display from a comfy chair, pay for it and it gets delivered directly to our homes, often the next day or even the same day. In many ways, we've returned to the very first model described above. We've grown weary of doing the store's work for them, and are back to choosing what we want from a comfortable place and having other people go get it, pack it up and deliver it to us directly. We can even do the same thing with groceries or almost anything else we buy. All those stores are starting to close down. We've found a new way to shop, but it's a lot like the old, old, way.

Everything has gone back to how it was way back at the turn of the 19th century in a way. I find all that very interesting. The more things change, the more we go back in time, it seems.

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Retail Shopping Has Changed Drastically (Original Post) MineralMan Feb 2017 OP
Interesting I hadn't thought of it this way gopiscrap Feb 2017 #1
I hadn't either, until today. I wrote a long thing about MineralMan Feb 2017 #7
Except now people go to the retailer to select what style and size they want, then search online. mahina Feb 2017 #2
Some people do that. Not all. MineralMan Feb 2017 #4
I've searched online from a brick and mortar store crazycatlady Feb 2017 #11
The one caveat being ymetca Feb 2017 #3
Well, sort of. A lot of retail stores get your mailing address or email MineralMan Feb 2017 #5
Sure, but that's not the same thing ymetca Feb 2017 #12
You are only as manipulated as you allow. MineralMan Feb 2017 #17
Interesting. But it does leave out a facet that Hortensis Feb 2017 #6
There are always trade-offs. MineralMan Feb 2017 #9
companies like Sears used to have huge catalog businesses, which were not unlike shopping online now Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #8
That is certainly true. MineralMan Feb 2017 #10
very true... funny how that worked out Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #13
Montgomery Ward and Sears sold "house kits" back in the 1920s and 1930s. PufPuf23 Feb 2017 #15
I much prefer to go look, find the item, ask questions, see it, feel it. sunonmars Feb 2017 #14
Yes and no... brooklynite Feb 2017 #16
I do whatever research is needed to choose things I buy. MineralMan Feb 2017 #19
I live in rural RW Florida mcar Feb 2017 #18
Yes. People used to use the Sears catalog that way. MineralMan Feb 2017 #20
Shopping on line: PRODUCT REVIEWS! trof Feb 2017 #21

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
7. I hadn't either, until today. I wrote a long thing about
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 05:19 PM
Feb 2017

buying a new PC and how it would have been much easier if I had just ordered it from Amazon. That got me thinking about how retail sales had changed and I realized that we're back to the oldest model again.

mahina

(17,651 posts)
2. Except now people go to the retailer to select what style and size they want, then search online.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 05:05 PM
Feb 2017

Likely the indifferent service reflects this reality, as experienced at Office Depot Max a bit ago.

Be for what is going to happen

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
4. Some people do that. Not all.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 05:17 PM
Feb 2017

Today, if you don't like what came to your house, you just send it back and order something else. No extra charge. In fact, many people search online before going to a brick-and-mortar store to get the thing. They insist on price-matching, too.

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
11. I've searched online from a brick and mortar store
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 05:33 PM
Feb 2017

Case in point-- I make (and sell) pussyhats. Before I shipped out my first hat, I was looking for mailers to send them in. I went to Staples and they wanted $10 for 5 mailers. From the store, I went on Amazon (from my phone) and saw that they sold 100 mailers for $11. Instead of buying the mailers at Staples, Amazon Prime helped me.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
3. The one caveat being
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 05:08 PM
Feb 2017

that you have completely lost your anonymity in your purchases. And you will be "chased" all over the Internet by everything you've ever bought, with that information being sold and re-sold, until a profile of you so precise is established that it will even predict when you die...

... and offer funeral arrangements to your relatives!

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
5. Well, sort of. A lot of retail stores get your mailing address or email
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 05:18 PM
Feb 2017

now, and send you flyers or emails. That's been true for some time at brick-and-mortar stores.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
12. Sure, but that's not the same thing
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 06:01 PM
Feb 2017

as, based on how much and how often you buy something, your future behavior can be predicted with amazing (alarming?) accuracy. Online purchasing is the mother lode of data being used to determine everything from your political affiliation to your health.

Over time the ability to predict, and thus modify, your behavioral "choices" becomes something that can be subtly guided in a "preferred" direction without your even knowing it.

I don't think enough of us truly appreciate just how manipulated we have become by even the simplest of choices we make.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
17. You are only as manipulated as you allow.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 08:29 PM
Feb 2017

You have complete freedom to buy only what you want, and when you want.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. Interesting. But it does leave out a facet that
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 05:19 PM
Feb 2017

comes to mind. Goods, courtesy of technology lowering production costs--not the good hearts of business, of course--have become so cheap that our home sizes have bloated dramatically to provide more and more storage. Active living areas aren't bigger in comparable homes, closets and garages are.

Oh, and I shouldn't forget to thank the good people of China, especially, who willingly or unwillingly have so helpfully subsidized the filling of our stores and catalogs with affordable abundance.

Btw, we live out of town, and damaging as allowing businesses to grow huge is, I love what Amazon has meant for us. I love shopping in my easy chair or out on the porch and having whatever it is delivered to me a couple days later. Of course, the dark flip is that a good bookstore was once an absolute requirement for any town I would want to live in, heck even consider. Now most of those are gone and with them a big reason for wanting to go to town.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
10. That is certainly true.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 05:24 PM
Feb 2017

Oddly enough, those mail order giants missed the step that online shopping offered and now they're going out of business. Had they adopted the online model first when it was available, Amazon might never have happened. Instead, we'd be shopping at sears.com. They embraced the online concept, but did it too late. Now, everyone sees those old catalog retailers as old-school, which they are.

Walmart, on the other hand, seems to be doing OK with its online system. I don't know if it will be able to compete, though. Amazon, by inviting smaller retails to participate in its online system, seems to be ahead of the game once again.

PufPuf23

(8,774 posts)
15. Montgomery Ward and Sears sold "house kits" back in the 1920s and 1930s.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 06:11 PM
Feb 2017

I grew up rural in 1950s and 1960s and the arrival of new "Monkey" Ward and Sears catalogues was a big event and they served as dream books for us all from kids to grandmothers.

sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
14. I much prefer to go look, find the item, ask questions, see it, feel it.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 06:06 PM
Feb 2017

I don't get that from a screen, same way i feel about downloading, i'd rather have the DVD or CD.

There's no emotion from a screen and i think, it goes a long way to killing communication.

You went to the store, had conversations, had social contact, everybody needs that, in fact its the only way a lot of people get some interaction.

You should see the joy older people get from meeting people, browsing and frankly i prefer it.

I also hate the hassle of returning goods by mail, at least I have a place to take it back too.

brooklynite

(94,535 posts)
16. Yes and no...
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 06:11 PM
Feb 2017

...When you ordered online, who did you talk to to make sure the product you were buying was really what you were looking for?

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
19. I do whatever research is needed to choose things I buy.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 08:33 PM
Feb 2017

I rely on that, rather than what someone tells me. I don't see the problem.

mcar

(42,309 posts)
18. I live in rural RW Florida
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 08:32 PM
Feb 2017

We've got grocery stores, a few big box stores, dollar stores and that's about it. I do much of my shopping online. Saves me having to drive an hour to buy clothes and many other things.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
20. Yes. People used to use the Sears catalog that way.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 08:36 PM
Feb 2017

I have a Sears catalog for every decade from the 1890s to the 1970s. They show me how people lived.

trof

(54,256 posts)
21. Shopping on line: PRODUCT REVIEWS!
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 09:03 PM
Feb 2017

More than one time I've seen some super whiz-bang something on TV and thought I'd like to have it.

Then I go search for product reviews and see it's a POS.

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