Calling a woman a skank, tramp, bitch, whore, stripper is still misogyny

[B2G]

regardless of a woman's political persuasion.

I can't believe I even have to post this in here.

[ProfessorGAC]

1. If We're Talking Kellyanne. . .

. . .i'm perfectly fine with liar to describe. An add on would be "not as smart as she thinks she is."

I don't need any derogatory terms other than those. Those suit her perfectly.

[leftstreet]

2. I never know if the subject is Kellyann or Melania n/t

[NurseJackie]

21. I was wondering the same thing.

[Ms. Toad]

189. The point is that it doesn't matter who the target is. n/t

[ileus]

3. With the enemy....anything goes.

[bettyellen]

13. Nope- misogyny is bigotry and against the TOS. We had enough this past year, thanks.

[meadowlander]

15. So it's fine to call Colin Powell the n word then?

Of course it isn't. Because sometimes the words we choose reflect worse on us than on the person we are trying to criticise.

If it it wrong to call someone a nigger, or a fag or a bitch as an insult, then it is always wrong to call them that, even when they are a bad person. Using those words is calling down institutional and historic privilege to assert your supposed inherent superiority to another person based on an aspect of themselves that they have no control over. And that reliance on privilege is *always* racist, homophobic or misogynistic no matter who it is directed at.

It's not the words, it's the way you are using them.

[MineralMan]

34. Not with me it doesn't. Whenever words that have misogynistic

or racist connotations are used, it reflects on the person who uses them, not the target of their dislike.

It's possible to find negative words in an almost unlimited variety without using any sexist or racist slurs. English is a very cool language that way. The onus is on the person calling names to choose a name that doesn't insult an entire class of people.

That's my opinion, anyhow.

[Eliot Rosewater]

152. Agreed. The only name any of them need to be called are liar and fascist, these are correct.

[LOL Lib]

43. Right?

Lest anyone forget, we are at war with this administration and we better fight back. Conjob did more to put cheeto in power than any Russian. She normalized a serial abuser. Every cell in her body is wretched.

Oh and btw, why is ok to make fun of SCROTUS's looks and Mitch the turtle if conjob is "protected?" This "protected, safe place, snowflake shit" is why the repugs just kicked our asses at the polls. I have had enough getting kicked around by repugs.

[Demit]

54. The words in the OP are not making fun of her looks.

The words are all low-status sexual words. Used when you want to put women in their place, let them know that they are no more than (lowly) sex objects.

[liquid diamond]

61. She is female. That's all it is. For all her faults

her possesing a vagina prohibits you from calling her certain names regardless of how accurate the label applies. So much for equality between the sexes.

[JTFrog]

106. "possesing a vagina prohibits you from calling her certain names regardless of how accurate"

The same way that the color of a person's skin prohibits you from calling them certain names?

If you don't like the fact that this is a liberal website that shuns sexism and bigotry, then I maybe you should have thought about before agreeing to the terms of service that prohibits said name calling and makes you feel so slighted.

[liquid diamond]

111. Read my previous posts.

It is wrong to call someone a name just because of their gender or race. However, if their behavior matches the dictionary definition, then the shoe fits.

Oh, and cut the crap. I've been a member here for almost ten years. Just because we don't agree on an issue doesn't mean that I'm a newbie troll.

[Hekate]

168. Last year, some here considered Hillary "the enemy," and called her the C-word. Nuh-uh.

Some learned better, but many have gone on to another site, where they get to call her and other women they disagree with whatever they want.

Get over it, dude. I dislike Tavis Smiley and Cornel West a whole lot, but I don't get to call them the N-word.

[liquid diamond]

169. Pay attention.

I never said it's ok to call a woman the names in the OP
because one disagrees with her. If she ACTS a certain way that matches a dictionary term, then she should wear the shoe. Enough with treating women like defenseless children. You wanted equality and (for the most part) got it. The good and the bad.

[meadowlander]

177. "It's OK to slut shame women who are actually sluts"

is not a valid argument.

The fact that slut shaming is a thing is what is sexist. Society has a grotesque double standard that says when men sleep with a lot of partners it is a measure of their success and desirability but when women sleep with a lot of partners it is a character flaw.

That is what is sexist. Full stop. Using those terms to critique or shame a woman is sexist. Full stop. It doesn't matter how she "actually behaves". The weighted judgement of that behavior is the sexism.

[liquid diamond]

181. That double standard exists because women can get sex much more easily than a man can.

Social experiments have proven that numerous times. In this society, women are considered the gatekeepers of sex. Unless it’s rape, they have all the power and the final say. They decide where it will happen, when, how, and who they sleep with. Society believes that kind of power comes with responsibility, so that is one reason why they hold women to a higher standard and shame them for promiscuous behavior.

Personally, I DO NOT agree with that reasoning. Morality be damned. Whether male or female, I think sexual promiscuity is inherently dangerous to one’s health and safety.

[meadowlander]

182. Um, no.

If both partners aren't deciding mutually where, when, how and who they sleep with then it is rape. Nobody is the "gatekeeper".

Women are slut shamed because for thousands of years society said that men owned their wives and that it was acceptable to use violence and coercion and shaming to ensure that "their" women only slept with them so they could be sure that their children were genetically theirs. We can thank slut shaming on the fact that it is obvious who a child's mother is, but not immediately obvious, pre-genetic testing, who the father is. Since fathers are expected to devote significant resources into raising children they can't be sure are theirs and because they are physically stronger than women and controlled more resources because they did not have to stop work to take care of babies, we got to experience the lovely shackles of patriarchy which we still haven't managed to throw off.

Women have also been told for thousands of years that their bodies are dirty and a source of shame and that they need to hide them so that they don't inflame lust in the wrong man. Every major world religion teaches this including Buddhism, where being reincarnated as a woman is a punishment, Judaism where women are supposed to hide under a sheet when they have sex and be kept isolated during their periods, and Christianity where women are told their destiny is to be subservient helpmeets to their husbands.

Sexual promiscuity is not inherently dangerous except in the context of a society that views women as property and a woman who refuses to be the property of one man as someone who needs to be put in her place.

Now that we have contraception and antibiotics, there is nothing inherently unhealthy or unsafe about having multiple partners. And it is certainly not more unhealthy or more unsafe for a woman to do this than a man.

To the point, it's none of my damn business how many people someone else wants to sleep with, nor is it yours. And being judgmental about it, particularly when you don't have any of the facts in front of you, says a lot more about you than it does about the person you are trying to shame back into their place.

[TDale313]

66. No one said don't attack her.

We absolutely should. And there's plenty to attack. But when you attack any woman *for* being a woman, you're attacking all women. And that's what you're doing when you use those slurs.

[OriginalGeek]

85. Cheeto chose to be orange

KAC did not choose to be a woman and I agree with OP. She shouldn't be denigrated for it. Especially when there is a shitload of things she actually did choose to do to be denigrated for.

I really can't believe how much the feet on the couch thing blew up all over media (not just DU). It's so a non-issue to me. Big fuckin' deal - her feet on the couch don't do squat to hurt this country. Her lying support and enabling of trump does.

[LOL Lib]

97. Ehh I hear all of you.

Mitch didn't choose to look like a turtle but it's tough shit for him that he does. Gotta live with it. Conjob is vile in every way. She stood beside a man who has forced himself on women and called it locker room banter. She is as soulless as they come and deserves every name she is called. That is my opinion. Sorry if having that opinion is against the rules here I hope my comment is removed. No harm meant on my behalf.

[TDale313]

172. It's not about her. That's the point.

Slurs that insult females FOR THEIR FEMALENESS are an insult to every woman. I don't give a fuck about KAC. But when you make her being a woman the core of the insult, it's wrong- not because it disrespects her- but it says women in general deserve to be disrespected FOR BEING WOMEN. It has fuckall to do with whether any one woman "deserves respect"

[femmedem]

90. No. Language that derives its power from slut shaming makes our culture more misogynistic.

Do you think it's ok to mock someone for their disabilities if you think they are, for other reasons, a terrible person?

Do you think it's ok to use a racial or ethnic slur to insult someone because you consider them evil?

If you thought someone from the Middle East was a terrorist, would you call them a towel head? Or does that language hurt and endanger other people from the Middle East?

Language matters. Language can kill. Consider the Rwandan genocide, which began with radio broadcasts referring to one ethnic group as cockroaches.

If I were black, I would not feel safe in a world where the n-word could be tossed around freely, even on a Democratic message board.

Likewise, being a woman who has been raped, I don't feel safe in a world where people feel free to use gender-based hate speech against people with whom they disagree.

Edited for clearer sentence structure.

[Squinch]

99. How about if it's a Republican who is gay? You feel OK about pulling out

all those awful names for gay people that say more about the person calling the name than the person being named?

How about if it is a Republican who is black? You going to go all David-Duke-at-home and pull out all those names that say more about the person calling the name than the person being named?

I'm going to guess not. But if it's a woman Republican, you are saying anything goes. So I guess you'll just pull out all those awful names that people use to demean women that say more about you than about the women you are demeaning. And then we'll know just what you are. Because you will have told us.

Have fun with that.

[hughee99]

190. If you can't come up with a better reason to dislike someone of the opposing political persuation,

and are stuck using slurs for their race, geneder, religion, etc..., perhaps it's time to sit down and figure out what your own beliefs really are.

[LanternWaste]

191. I hope you don't cut your lip shaving. That would be bad.

I hope you don't cut your lip shaving. That would be bad. Beliefs being what they are, and all...

[Caliman73]

4. 100% agreed

I am not condoning those words in ANY way whatsoever. I know that for me it is sometimes difficult to suppress the social programming to use misogynistic, homophobic, or racist words when very angry. I certainly give it my fullest effort to realize that those words have been used specifically to demean ALL women, minorities, and other marginalized groups. I think that internally I get that instant reaction, but have been able to filter it and realize that I need to focus on what I disagree with about the person's actions, motives, etc... rather than an arbitrary feature or specifically hurtful phrase. I think that ProfessorGAC stated well that you can just call someone a "liar" or say that they "disgust me" rather than use charged words that demean all.

Thank you for reminding us.

[jmg257]

5. Of course it is - but it seems much more fun to pile on people we don't like, even women.

De-humanizing them all is even better.

[jrthin]

6. I am a woman, and

Sometimes common sense and the obvious dictate that those terms are used. Using political correct language to obfuscate the truth is not good for a society.

[coco22]

7. +1

[hamsterjill]

10. I tend to agree.

There are times when the terms are appropriate, and at those times, the terms are acceptable to convey true behavior, etc.

The terms should not be applied generally to any woman but rather to specific actions. Same goes for men and their behavior.

[meadowlander]

22. Under what circumstances is it appropriate to call a woman a skank or a tramp?

Remembering that it is 2017, not 1917.

What "true behavior" justifies a gender-specific term to disapprove of how many sexual partners another person has or the fact that they dress in a sexually provocative way?

We're all grown ups. Supposedly we had a sexual revolution 50 flipping years ago. Why is it anyone else's business how many people a woman sleeps with or how she dresses?

[Demsrule86]

49. How nice you have arrived to defend GOP women...

I called Kelly Ann trashy and she is.

[Demit]

62. meadowlander is defending all women

from genderized slurs. And I agree with what she or he said.

[Demsrule86]

122. Oh please...after the abuse heaped on the Obama's I couldn't give a damn.

[frankieallen]

131. ah, there it is. "that person is an asshole, therefore i have every right to be an asshole too"

what are you, 12 years old?

[Demsrule86]

165. Wasting your time...I personally don't say some of the stuff I see.

However, all the holier than you stuff about Kelly Ann or Trumps wife...leaves me cold. If the GOP had been even a little decent about the Obama's and the Clintons, it would be different...but they were not...and I am not going to castigate Dems...another circular firing squad if you ask me... about stuff our people say. And I wouldn't find against them on juries either.

[meadowlander]

184. It's not a waste of time for two reasons.

1. When we treat other groups with disrespect they feel unwelcome in our party. If we want to beat the Republicans in 2018, we need women and the LGBTQ community and racial minorities to feel that they are respected and valued in the Democratic party. I do not feel respected and welcome in a community where it is acceptable to slut shame people or use misogynistic or racist or homophobic slurs just because you don't like what they say or believe. This isn't "being a special snowflake". It is having self-respect and expecting basic respect and civility from others.

2. When we sink to their level, we become hypocrites and we lose the ability to effectively critique them the next time they try it. In fact, the Republicans will be emboldened by our use of the same slurs and will push the envelope out even further while saying "how can you criticize me when you do the same thing?"

I guarantee Kellyanne Conway doesn't give a flying fuck if you think she's a slut. So calling her that isn't "winning the war" or "fighting back" against the Republicans. The only thing it accomplishes is to alienate women and minorities and to make us all look like hypocrites when we don't call people out on it. Which is what is wasting our time. Because seriously, how depressing is it that we are still having this conversation about fairly basic principles of respect for women sixty years after the womens' liberation movement kicked off?

[LenaBaby61]

107. I called Kelly Ann trashy and she is.

Yep.

Tramp, trollop, hussy. SHE'D think nothing of calling another woman those words, but I MUST defend her because somebody else called her names? Uh, I don't think so. That would be like me defending a Neo-Nazi woman who called me the N-word or a half-breed or even Pocahontas. What, I couldn't call a Nazi woman who called me that a hussy? I have to go all Marquess of Queensberry rules and say, you're racially disparaging ME racially, but no, no, I won't call you that I think YOU are because I'm all Marquess of Queensberry PLEASE, I'll call her what I want to if she goes there with ME. End of story.

Michelle was called an ape in heels, monkey face, N-word, gorilla, man and while she went high while they went low on her and still continue to go low, that's Michelle. Love her, but that's Michelle, not me. That hussy Melania went all birther/racist in 2011 and questioned Pres. Obama's birth certificate's authenticity vs hers and in HER mind, her birth certificate was "fantastic" because she's white and European. His was fake because he was non-white.

If I'm in a verbal knife fight (And I've been in several along the rode in my life), I'm not standing around and allowing anybody to knife me verbally.

[Demit]

68. Lol, what would you call a husband who would sleep with a skank, then?

Because surely the act would say something about him as well. Is there a ready-made list of sexual slurs for low-life men? Please provide them.

[mnhtnbb]

88. a dick?

[11 Bravo]

92. Dick, prick, dickhead, wanker, tosser, jerk-off ...

off the top of my head.

[Demit]

100. You should look up the last three words for the, um, solitary aspect of their meanings.

[11 Bravo]

108. You asked for examples. I provided them. Please don't pretend ...

that by doing so, I have somehow endorsed any of the terms to which you object.

[Demit]

116. What? I meant that the 3 last words all mean masturbation, and thus wouldn't

describe a married man who slept with a "skank."

I don't think you're following the conversation very well at all, LOL.

[11 Bravo]

124. Three questions: Are the terms almost exclusively applied to males?

Are the terms sexual slurs?
Are you overlooking the first three terms in my reply?
(Answers: yes, yes, and yes) My answer to the first two questions provide the sum total of the rationale for my initial response to your question; and your answer to the third, reveals something altogether different.

You disapproved of my reply, ignoring the clear meaning therein, and now wish to quarrel.

Do it with someone else.

[bettyellen]

136. None of those is making a moral judgment on the man- they equal "jerk" ....

Jerks are our Dad and brothers and husbands- are skanks and bitches held in remotely the same esteem? Nope, they're beneath contempt.

[Demit]

139. Go back, read the first post in the subthread, & try to follow the gist.

None of your answers fit the scenario described by the poster in post #55. Not even the first three, because those words don't describe behavior related to the sexual act in any way. They're insults for when a man is intentionally cruel or unkind.

I'm not quarreling with you; you are quarreling with me. In addition to being weirdly obtuse you are being unnecessarily prickly.

[ornotna]

163. I love seeing us at each others throats

It's the best!

[Shrike47]

155. Ex-husband, in my case. He's still the father of my children.

[hamsterjill]

63. Thank you for the reminder that it IS 2017.

I haven't forgotten the time frame.

I'm not sure why you referenced something about the number of sexual partners a woman may or may not have had. That point is not relevant to my post.

Here's a scenario that is playing out in my own circle of colleagues. I am not directly related to any of the parties that I describe.

A younger woman recently divorced her older, wealthy husband. She didn't get much in the divorce settlement.

She then almost immediately started flirting with yet another older, married gentleman who she knew was lonely and did not have a loving relationship with his then-wife. This gentleman is quite wealthy.

This young woman succeeded in getting the man to divorce his wife, and then she became involved with him romantically. They married. She has now succeeded in interjecting herself into his business affairs and stands to benefit greatly once the older gentleman passes away. She is not working in the businesses. She is rather getting him to sign legal documents that make her the beneficiary of the profits of the businesses. She has succeeded in getting the gentleman to alienate his grown children - something the gentleman laments about having happened.

The woman openly tells her friends what she is doing and that she does not love the gentleman. She is open about being solely after his money. She doesn't tell the gentleman, of course, but she tells others.

Her efforts, her actions, her determination have all been with the intended result of getting his money so that she does not have to work or worry about her future. She will be taking the inheritance away from his grown children, and she has no remorse or concern about doing that. She isn't working for his money. She is taking advantage of his romantic interest in her.

He is clueless. He thinks she loves him. And he's been willing to give up most of his friends, family and acquaintances for her because she can be more successful with him if he doesn't have others around him, and she's found reason for him to disassociate with anyone who might speak of what she's doing. His children are sad to see their father being taken advantage of, but they've not been able to convince him of what she is actually doing. His health has started to decline.

What term may I use in 2017 to describe this woman that is politically correct in your view?

For me, skank fits the definition. I would feel the same were it a man trying to take advantage of the romantic feelings of a woman. It is not the gender. It is the action. It is deliberate action on her part with an intended outcome that is less than honorable in my opinion. I don't think it's right for her to be taking advantage of an elderly, compassionate gentleman just because she can. Surely, the man has some responsibility in this, but I'm not sure he actually understands what is happening. He's quite naïve.

I am entitled to have that opinion of her if I choose. People form opinions of other people based on actions. As a woman myself, I will not give her some pass based on the fact that SHE is a woman, too. To "skank" is to "deceive"; therefore, the term fits in this scenario.

[liquid diamond]

71. Very well put hamsterjill.

I agree completely. It is great that a woman shares my opinion, so it won't be dismissed as misogyny. Of course there are those who would say you just hate your own gender to make a point.

[hamsterjill]

79. Thank you.

I appreciate your response.

[JTFrog]

167. Women can be just as misogynistic as men.

So you can stop patting yourself on the back now.

[bettyellen]

78. Wow- I'm surprised you're so emotionally invested in this man and wife's personal decisions...

I had an old neighbor who was the dearest happiest guy, always kind and really sharp dressed and ready with a smile. Apparently his kids found out he had been hiring a prostitute twice a month for years and were incensed. Tried to get her arrested but failed and also to get control of his money by claiming he was endangering himself when he wasn't.
They ended up putting him into a retirement home far away because his choices offended them. Who thinks like this?

[hamsterjill]

89. I'm not emotionally invested in this man at all.

n/t

[bettyellen]

114. Sure you are - sharing what you imagine to be the story of their private lives with strangers and

Condemning their behavior. And here I am thinking it's none of my business- and none of yours.

[hamsterjill]

119. Oh, good grief!

That's reaching a bit, don't you think? Are you implying that I have some vested interest in this situation when I've already stated that I do not? I have factual knowledge of this situation, but I have no emotional interest.

The behavior that I described of the woman is manipulative. Do you think that type of behavior is appropriate? Is it okay to scam someone out of money? Isn't it more honorable for someone to earn money rather than scam?

I have no say in what she does or doesn't do. I have no say in how she and the man conduct their relationship.

The point is that people, including myself, form opinions of other people based on actions. To deny that is unrealistic. Do you go through your life and have no opinions of others? Somehow, I just don't that's possible.

[bettyellen]

121. Neither you nor I knows what goes on between those two people or how they really feel about it.

I'm not sure why you think you do. Or why you wasted all this time thinking and speculating about it.

[hamsterjill]

145. I'm not sure why you worry about how I spend my time.

The scenario was posed with a question, being what would be the politically correct term for the person I described. I "wasted all that time" giving the background to be able to ask the question.

I still believe the term applies. I will continue to use it and if that bothers someone such as yourself, feel free to place me on ignore.

The world does not and will not necessarily bend to one definition of what is and is not appropriate. Nor what is and is not progressive.

Have a good evening. This conversation has ended.

[bettyellen]

149. Nope - peering into the private lives of consenting adults and judging is not progressive -

We do not stand for that kind of judgement- especially putting all the onus on women when things aren't "traditional enough" for our own particular taste. Progressive don't care for your moral judgements on others sex lives- never will.

[Warren DeMontague]

185. Fuckin' A.

[mnhtnbb]

186. She has plenty of opinions about others and has expressed them in this thread.

Some of us just don't pass muster with the pc word police, nor are we allowed to have opinions unless they match those of She Who Determines Acceptable Progressive Thought.

[hamsterjill]

187. Yes. I see that!

Right you are. We're not "progressives" unless we fit a certain definition, either. How dare any of us have a differing view.

I must've missed the memo where some were put in charge. Obviously, my bad!!!!😄

In all seriousness, I sometimes marvel when threads take on the tone of trying to strong arm all posters into behaving a certain way, especially since DU is multi-generational. There are some terms and ideas that the evolution of which mean different things to different people of different ages. We, as Dems, need to be cognizant of being inclusive, not exclusive, of varying viewpoints.

Have a good one!

[Ligyron]

95. That old guy sounds like my Dad.

The story is almost precisely the same.

A few people here would absolutely melt into a puddle of goo if they heard me reference her and that's just exactly what she is too.

[mnhtnbb]

105. It is a common story with men: they are easily deceived when it comes to

attention being paid to their peckers--especially as they age.

It doesn't have to be a young woman, either, because it happened to my husband's father who resisted
marrying a 4th wife (and I'm not going to apologize for calling that old bag a witch) until he was 96 and she was in her 90's. She then
proceeded to get him to dissolve his trust (which meant a huge portion of the estate went to taxes when he died)
and basically write my husband--his only son--out of the will and divide the estate between herself and my husband's
two sisters.

[bettyellen]

115. Or they like sex enough to be happy with their situation- whatever it looks like to you?

I know plenty of young couples that don't "appear" to. E perfectly in love. I don't think it's my business unless one of these people brings their problems to me.

[elehhhhna]

127. Beyond skank. She's an amoral predator.

It is amoral also a slur now?

Facts are facts.

Here's another relevant ageist slur: "there's no fool like an old fool". IMO you're describing a marriage between a skank and an old fool.

[hamsterjill]

147. Exactly.

And she's a skank because of what she's doing, not which gender she is. Maybe I should start saying "skankette"????

Next, it will be considered politically incorrect to refer to a woman as "ma'am"!

[liquid diamond]

26. I agree that there are times to call

women some of those names if the shoe fits-especially if her BEHAVIOR (not just her being a woman) matches the dictionary definition of the insult. They don't get a pass just because they are female and calling her that name supposedly insults all women. Bullshit it does. Not all women marry for money in exchange for her sexual favors. You know who I'm talking about.

[bettyellen]

35. Progressives don't judge consenting adults or use a woman's sexuality to shame her...period.

You might be socially conservative personally, but it's not your place to judge me or my friends what they do with other consenting adults. The GOP has weaponized this crap to deny women's essential Heath and reproductive services, as well as LGBT rights. These values are not progressive, and misogyny related slurs is against the TOS here.

[liquid diamond]

50. My post had nothing to do with

shaming but accurately calling a spade a spade based on BEHAVIORS. Should we refrain from calling bank robbers thieves for fear of hurting their feelings? Instead of calling rapists what they are, do we call them sex criminals?

[bettyellen]

69. This is no better than anyone judging Hillary for staying in her marriage... these things

Are deeply personal decisions regarding what they decide to PRIVATELY do with their bodies. Progressives value this right to privacy and refrain from judging people's personal private decisions within their marriages and partenerships. We don't have a different set of values for people we dislike.

[wryter2000]

141. So, when is the N word appropriate?

KAC is not acting like female genitalia (cunt). She's acting like her boss.

[hamsterjill]

146. How did the "N" word become a part of this?

We are talking about terms that apply to a person's actions.

[wryter2000]

171. We're not

We're discussing terms related to a person's identity

[TheFrenchRazor]

175. so what if a non-white person acts very badly? do they "deserve" the N-word? the correlation is

is quite obvious; only difference is that misogyny is more fashionable here than racism.

[wryter2000]

192. As far as I'm concerned

Cunt is the N word for women.

[Ligyron]

87. +2

Right now we have bigger problems and I'm not aware of any posts on DU using them.

Can you point any out.

[mnhtnbb]

94. ++

I agree.

I'm 66 and have lived through being treated in the workplace as a sexual object. I even had my boss come on to me one time
during a performance evaluation (at lunch outside of the workplace) in the early 80's. It was not pleasant.

I have no problem using words like tramp, slut, floozy, prostitute, whore or anything similar to describe a woman who sells her body for money.
I don't think that makes me a misogynist; I think it makes me a realist. And males have been known to do the same thing. Is it not supposed to be acceptable to call a man a gigolo? Does it mean if I call a man a gigolo I hate men? I don't think so.

[liquid diamond]

113. They claim calling one woman a whore

means you are calling all women whores. It's total bullshit.

[bettyellen]

134. Nope. Just that it's a gendered slur when applied inaccurately to people not in the profession

It is commonly used to denigrate sexually active women who are not professional prostitutes. It's more common to use it to slur women who are sexually active, and it's something that we should question - because we generally do not judge men for same.

Above someone is complaining a man marrying with a "gold digger" - do we see anyone here judging him for purchasing himself a sex life? Nope. Somehow the only nasty part of that equation is the woman. Something is wrong with the way we judge mutually consenting adults- when they are women.

[Squinch]

102. So under some circumstances, is the N word OK with you? How about gay slurs?

[jrthin]

126. What about someone's

Behavior would make you want to use the N word or use a gay slur? Are you serious in that you would want to describe behavior by using the N word. If someone is sleeping around indiscriminately, male or female, I think one could say their behave like a slut. Fact are facts.

[Squinch]

135. Are you serious that you would want to describe behavior by using similar slurs against women?

Slut is a female slur. Made to be about females. It's bigoted against females just as the N word is bigoted against people of color. Yes. Facts are facts.

When you use gendered slurs, you are doing the same as when you use racial slurs or slurs about sexual orientation.

All of them are unacceptable to people with a brain.

[Oneironaut]

153. I am a woman, and you are wrong.

Being a liberal isn't a "Be an obnoxious misogynist" lifetime pass. I don't care who is saying it - this isn't okay. It's disappointing to see pro-misogyny sentiments on a progressive board.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

164. Your statement is not logical.

Not using misogynistic terms does not obfuscate the truth.

[TheFrenchRazor]

174. wow. talk about not getting it. nt

[jrthin]

8. And btw, if a woman strips

for a living, what do you call her? Common sense is dead.

[leftstreet]

12. 'Exotic dancers' and 'sex workers' are job descriptions

Don't know why those professions get lumped in with pejoratives like skank, _itch, etc

[meadowlander]

20. Because sexually empowered women are bad

and therefore it's fine to call any woman you don't like a stripper as a way to diminish her.

It has the added bonus of keeping actual strippers in their place too.

[bravenak]

76. I called myself what I was. A stripper.

[JustAnotherGen]

14. ITA ;-)

[meadowlander]

16. A stripper.

Why do you need to use a pejorative like "skank" or "tramp" that implies that sexually active women should be an object of scorn?

[bettyellen]

30. It's not "common sense" its denigration of a woman's sexuality and misogynistic

[phleshdef]

9. "Couch gate" is the dumbest fucking thing ever.

Attack her on her lies and her efforts to prop up this horrid administration.

[SFnomad]

31. Couchgate isn't about what she did ... it's about the hypocrisy of the right wing

having a cow over President Obama putting his feet up on the desk, while finding this perfectly acceptable ... and not having a problem with President Bush (and others) doing the same thing that President Obama did, without outrage.

[phleshdef]

39. I totally agree about the hypocrisy of the right wing

But there are a lot of people here on du who are being hypocrites as well. It didn't bother me one damn bit when Obama put his feet up on the desk and it shouldn't have bothered anyone. Just like this stupid couch thing shouldn't bother anyone. It's making us all look very fucking childish.

[Oneironaut]

161. I agree. It's a pointless distraction.

Trump is acting openly hostile towards immigrants, and Liberal America is outraged that a woman put her feet on the couch.

[JustAnotherGen]

11. Oh well get used to it

[meadowlander]

17. That's the spirit that brought us the Civil Rights movement.

Glad to see the spirit is still alive on the Democratic Underground in 2017.

[demmiblue]

18. I called Kellyanne trashy and classless for the couch thing, but..

I alerted on several comments that I believed crossed the line (one about a certain someone sticking their head between her legs).

I am noticing that several of those types of comments are coming from newer members.

[demmiblue]

19. Another one I saw (regarding the couch photo):

That's a position I'm sure she's well acquainted with

To which I responded:

That's a position a lot of women are well acquainted with...

nothing wrong with that. It is the setting that is the problem.

[Bucky]

70. Thank you

Hatred is a beast you either feed or starve. Off you use hate language against one person, you normalize it against all people

[demmiblue]

125. Your post up-thread should not have been hidden.

And thank you, too!

[Maru Kitteh]

25. I have also noted they have come from newer members but also

I have seen some things posted here lately by very, very OLD-time members that should not have stood. One was a naked older guy from behind with his legs spread and his junk hanging down, in very clear view. I kid you not.

Kind of hard for us to expect the newbies to know where the line is when long-time members post things of that nature.

[demmiblue]

45. You make a good point. n/t

[crazycatlady]

23. This

Even if the woman is Sarah Palin.

What is worse is these words have no male equivalent.

[Ligyron]

104. I would use the same words myself.

Just make sure it references the male subject.

[Maru Kitteh]

24. Agreed, but she is very smelly.

Smelly is equal opportunity. Smellyanne Scumway!

I'll make no apologies for pointing out that she looks like she's been running behind a garbage truck for 7 weeks either. She does. So does Bannon (but he always looks like that).

For those two their outward appearance is just a manifestation of the violent, unsavory forces within.

[liquid diamond]

27. What do we call a woman who

exchanges sex for money? I can't wait to hear what euphemisms you come up with.

[demmiblue]

28. A sex worker. What do you call them? n/t

[liquid diamond]

32. Exactly what I thought. Lol.

[demmiblue]

33. What do you call them? Those women? n/t

[liquid diamond]

36. I call them what dictionary definition applies.

I don't sugar coat labels to spare people's sensitive feelings.

[leftstreet]

40. You should call them what they prefer

Have you asked them?

[liquid diamond]

51. Nope. I don't interact with such people.

[demmiblue]

44. So what do you call them? Labels are fluid and change as societies develop.

What do you call African Americans? Which dictionary definition?

[sarah FAILIN]

72. I call them hookers

That is the traditional label for the job they do.

I call people that dance and take off their clothes gor money strippers for the same reason.

I call people that serve me food at a restaurant a waiter or waitress for the same reason.

I agree we don't call people nasty names, but changing the name of a job to be more politically correct is ridiculous. If you perform sex for money, you are a hooker. Somehow I think this pc business is getting out of control.

Side item..my daughter works with the elderly. One of her little ladies BRAGS about being a stripper when she was young. If they call it that, there is no reason for us to apologize for their openness.

[B2G]

73. And if you call a woman a stripper or a hooker,

knowing full well they aren't, what would you call that?

[sarah FAILIN]

96. a lie

But if a woman or man came up to me and offered to have sex for money... that's a hooker.

[liquid diamond]

74. Thank you. This excessive PC bullshit

is just meant to spare the perpetrator's feelings.

[sarah FAILIN]

98. You're welcome.

I don't know how all this pc crap got this bad.

[MineralMan]

38. A sex worker, prostitute, or some other word that means what you

want to say, but that applies to what that individual does, and not to her gender. We have no shortage of words that we can use. We need to select them carefully, though, so as not to apply the wrong ones to an individual when doing so will refer to a characteristic shared with many others.

It's really simple.

For example, I could call Kellyanne Conway a pus-filled wen on the backside of humanity with impunity. Since being a pus-filled wen is not an insult that applies to one particular race, gender or other class. It's descriptive, pejorative, and altogether disgusting, but it's not racist, sexist or anyotherist.

[liquid diamond]

56. I've been saying that people should be labeled

based on their behavior and not just based on gender alone. I haven't been paying much attention to "couch gate" since I find it petty and fucking stupid. However, I think it would be wrong to call Kellyann any of the names in the OP just for her posture.

[MineralMan]

57. Really. None of the execrable behaviors she has exhibited have

anything to do, really, with being a woman. She's a nasty, awful human being with no redeeming qualities I can identify. There are lots of people like that, men and women alike. There are plenty of perfectly good words one can use to describe such people. That she is a woman is irrelevant.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

110. Good point !

Lets see, Kellyanne Conway, ok, the couch thing was flippant and Trump goes off flippant any time he is challenged or he thinks he is disrespected,or if he is experiencing discomfort . Conway revealed it when she stated through the press ,she meant no disrespect or ill respect. There is no pill to give Donald Trump that will substitute for his insatiable need of his connection to flippancy.Safe be it to say than, Kellyanne Conway became the epitome of Trump's flippancy ! And that by any reasonable definition is disrespect-full.
And she lies ! OK so, Trump was experiencing some discomfort and he needed it. And without it he may have canceled at the last minute leaving word to tell them something not very nice for all he gives a whoot.

So without some in depth perception or perhaps with some she may have seemed to appear somewhat horrifying.To say the same thing in slang is whorish or- Very odd.

[Vinca]

84. And pus-filled wen has a nice ring to it . . .

[MineralMan]

93. Well, I thought so, anyhow.

You don't see a wen like that all that often.

[True Dough]

46. A prostitute

It doesn't have to get vulgar. And the term only applies to those who engage in the exchange you described, not just any woman you don't like.

[liquid diamond]

52. I agree with your last sentence.

[TNLib]

29. Is this about Kellyane?

Can we say her "skanky" feet shouldn't be on the couch?

Just seeing that pic made me think of stinky feet.

[Kingofalldems]

37. Links please.

[demmiblue]

48. Puhlease, I got a post hidden for linking to a poster's well documented transphobic history on DU.

People don't want to get posts hidden, even for pointing out the truth.

[loyalsister]

41. Yep

Using those words normalizes them as insults making it okay for others to use them against your political allies. I don't think anyone would suggest that it's okay to call Herman Cain the n-word because he's political opposition.

[MineralMan]

42. Agreed. That the woman in question is a woman is immaterial

to her crude, disgusting habits. People of either sex or gender could have equally noxious behavior patterns. Applying an insult that is gender specific is wrong, because it attaches a behavior to a gender, rather than to an individual.

It might be better to refer to Kellyanne Conway in regard to her lapse of common decency and decorum as an uncultured, heinous guttersnipe. That way, no misogyny is implied or can be charged.

[True Dough]

47. I agree with skank, tramp, whore, slut and c_nt

Those crude terms need not be applied to anyone. There are plenty of civil alternatives.

[B2G]

60. Well aren't you a special kind of judgemental.

So if I have more than one child, I shouldn't be allowed to work?

[demmiblue]

67. Apparently you have to be Suzy Homemaker.

And if you are a single mom with more than one child... ?

I don't want to even know what some of these people's opinions are about single moms.

[usedtobedemgurl]

58. Bitch is misogyny?

I honestly go by bitch or Miss. Evil Bitch in some circles. In fact, I have my boyfriend call me that and not because I have low self esteem or anything. I actually think of 'bitch' as a compliment. It is a word, in my circles, used to describe a woman who knows what she wants and how to reach out and try to get it. I self assign the name to myself and am proud of it.

As far as any of the other words, you did not include 'slut' but I teach my sons that that is not a bad word at all. Knowing what you want to do and doing it with whomever you please is more of a name in my community and not a shaming tactic and I have told my son this because I am, indeed, a slut. Nothing to be ashamed of and as I have explained to my sons, it is only a definition of someone who has had multiple partners and never ever use it to shame someone. I use it in everyday conversation saying things like, "She is such a slut and I admire that about her. I wish I had the balls to go after some of the guys she does. Maybe next week...." I also call my boyfriend a slut. He knows it is a term of endearment and given his druthers he would do anything that moved - male or female. And that is ok.

A stripper is just a job title like manager or delivery person. You should never put someone down for the job they do.

Tramp, skank, and whore should never be used as a put down and shame on those who do.

[bettyellen]

82. Here at DU it is. We're not your personal circle of friends, so....

This is actually supposed to be a site respectful of women and POC so yeah- the standards here may differ from your own. Same as a lot of public spaces. It's not that hard.

[usedtobedemgurl]

117. I understand it is not that hard....

I am just saying I personally, here or elsewhere, do not consider it misogynistic. Do most people find the word 'bitch' to be misogynistic? I never have my entire life and I am a feminist. I am not trying to be a troll, I just never thought of it that way and cannot wrap my head around it.

[bettyellen]

120. It's probably the mildest gender slur- and like all slurs "in group usage" doesn't have the same

Dehumanizing and degrading effect as you know it's accepted in your peer group. In your personal life you have the choice to push back or opt out when you feel people cross the line and find friends more in line with your comfort level.

So much of the Internet is degrading and disrespectful to women, even hostile- so we have standards here to show we value diversity. Gendered slurs are as unacceptable as racial ones, just as they are in many places where a diverse group come together to meet and discuss issues. It helps foster a welcoming attitude where people marginalized in many places on the net are treated with equal respect.

We can argue where the line should be forever... but if there weren't one, rest assured a few people could easily overrun this place and turn it into a sewer. I'm on MIRT helping them keep this place troll free and you'd be shocked at how quickly this place would go downhill.
When standards and the TOS were looser we actually did lose a great deal of women LGBT and POC for just that reason.

[coco22]

132. I am surprised you are still here..

as many times that you have said "bitch". I have been warned.

[usedtobedemgurl]

178. Is that against TOS?

If so, I had no idea. The OP should probably be alerted as well to violation of TOS.

[Warren DeMontague]

140. A couple factual points: One, DU has been fighting over the word "bitch" since at least 2004.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1359420

And contrary to what anyone here may assert, the word has still not been "banned" by admin nor has there ever been some sort of definitive declaration from them that it constitutes a TOS violation.

It is worth reading what the actual TOS says:

No bigotry/insensitivity
Members are expected to respect diversity and demonstrate an appropriate level of sensitivity when discussing related topics. Racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, or other forms of bigoted intolerance are not permitted.

Why we have this rule: Democratic Underground is a diverse community which includes people of every race, sex, religious belief (or lack thereof), sexual orientation, gender identity, body type, disability, age, etc. We want to promote a welcoming atmosphere for all of our members, and do not want to provide a platform for bigotry.

Now, whether or not the word "bitch" in all its uses specifically falls under that, again, is a subjective determination. Many people here feel it is a slur to an entire gender, others (such as myself, frankly) feel that it is a specific insult with a gendered component, not the same thing. I would put it roughly analagous to "dick", however there has never been any serious discussion on DU that I'm aware of towards banning the use of "dick" or similar insults.

My hunch is, if using "bitch" in a post were to get said post in front of a DU jury, the jury would first and foremost look at the context, particularly who the word was in reference to.

It is incorrect, however, to assert that the TOS- "new" or otherwise- provides some definitive list of banned words, particularly one that includes "bitch". Some people have tried for years to get a list of banned words included in the TOS, and failing, I suspect they've collectively decided to declare victory and go home. Personally, I don't think there's any argument one could have over that word which wasn't covered already in that 10 thread extravaganza on the matter back in '04.

It might be worth noting that its usage here bothers some people, so weigh that when considering how you phase your posts, if so inclined. That's what I do. But it doesn't mean I'm not gonna correct the historical record when it is misrepresented.

So don't let anyone try and tell you there's been some definitive executive-level declaration including "bitch" on some list of "banned slurs", misogynist or otherwise. There hasn't.

[usedtobedemgurl]

179. OK, thank you....

I did not read this before replying to the other poster and I was going to go look it up. I suppose being tolerant of others means them being tolerant of my views as well.

I asked in all honesty whether the OP thought it was misogynistic because it never struck me as such. I was not trolling or trying to get someone's ire up.

I do what I can with my boys. I teach them yhings like the word 'slut' is not a slur. And this may be controversial but I have taught them, since they could walk, to open doors for women. I teach my youngest (only him, since he still lives with me) about being sex positive, about respecting women, and about being aware of them in general as far as manners go.

I have spoken up about Conway as well as Melania when folks say shaming things about them. It is in no way acceptable to shame someone. I asked if it really was misogynistic, since I do not feel that way and I wanted to hear from the OP, and I get someone in my face saying they are surprised I am still here.

[Warren DeMontague]

183. Here's my take, and I am fully aware that my opinions are not some universal truth any more than

anyone else's--

Something like "slut" or "skank"-- yeah, there's an implication of "sex is bad (if you're a woman) and you as a woman are bad for having it"... and as others rightly note, there's not such a comprable set of insults on the male side. So I totally agree that it's an inherently sexist insult, as opposed to merely an insult with a gendered component.. Patriarchy in action or whatever you want to call it.

Shaming women for having consenting adult sex is just as much bullshit as it is for men. No argument from me, there. And I could give a shit, for instance, that Melania has nude pics out there. Don't care, am not in a froth of outrage over it, although it's always worth pointing the hypocrisy angle, since the GOP would lose their shit if it was someone on our side... hell, they had tantrums over Michelle Obama's bare shoulders..

...I digress. I still think "bitch" is not the same thing, I am of the opinion it's analogous to "dick" or "prick"- an insult with a gendered component but not an insult on the entire gender or one that perpetuates sexist double standards.

JMO.

But as I pointed out, some folks have been fighting over that particular word for, what, 13 years now? So you kind of wandered into a long-simmering DU minefield, unawares.

[meadowlander]

188. I agree,

but I also think that the awfulness of slurs is informed by the systems of institutional oppression that sit behind them and by their historic context.

Why is "nigger" worse than "dick"? Because we had hundreds of years of slavery in this country and because African Americans are still regularly racially profiled and discriminated against in the job and housing markets and are routinely gunned down by police for the crime of "walking in public while black".

Why is "bitch" worse than "prick"? Because we had thousands of years of women being viewed as property and because they still don't get equal pay, face sexual harassment at work, have their opinions ignored while we talk about how they dress, and are raped at a epidemic level and then blamed for it because they were walking outside at night or not dressing appropriately or talking to the wrong person.

Bitch when applied to a human being means someone who takes a submissive sexual position (which is implied to make them bad or lesser than the person who takes a dominant sexual position) or someone who, because they are relatively powerless, snipes at those who have more power behind their backs (which is implied to make them bad because they don't "have the balls" to attack the other person to their face). The fact that that term is applied to women speaks to society's view of them and to their historical reality. It is generally used to tell women who are expressing their opinion to shut up and sit back down or women who are being assaulted to relax and take it.

I don't think you can take the term out of that context and compare it to a term like "prick" or "dick"- meaning a man who is being overbearing, rude, inconsiderate or annoying because of over-confidence and entitlement and who is being told by society that he needs to be more considerate of other people or tone down his level of aggression. The level of baggage with those terms is just not the same.

All insults are mechanisms of social control but they do not all exert the same level of force. It actually does matter who is pulling the levers, who is on the receiving end, the levels of institutional and historic "machinery" trying to push us into behaving in a certain way and the motivations behind that social control.

[Warren DeMontague]

193. Maybe. Like I said, pretty much every argument that could be had on the word "bitch", was run

through when DU had 10+ threads on the topic, in 2004.

My opinion is just what I laid out, there.

[mythology]

59. Unfortunately people tend to lose perspective when dealing with "other"

They justify crappy behavior because it's somebody they don't like.

[musette_sf]

64. Correct

and it is completely unnecessary to use any pejorative sexist terms to express one's disdain and disgust with anyone, female or male.

[Vinca]

75. Here we go again. Let's all hold hands and sing kumbayah because surely

they would never call us names like that . . . polite, civilized people that they are.

[B2G]

77. I'm not talking about them.

I'm talking about us. "They do it too" was never an acceptable excuse in my household. I hold mine to a higher standard.

"When they go low, we go high". Remember? Or are those just words?

[Vinca]

81. I don't use the terms myself, although I've been known to yell a certain word at her when she

appears on my television. I'm just saying we have to stop obsessing about being such tender flowers.

[sarisataka]

86. For many they are just words

far too many are ready to abandon their principles and standards just because the "other side does it"

Perhaps they never really held those principles...

[underthematrix]

80. uneducated Melania went all birther

on President Obama I'm gonna call her whatever I want to call her.

[nini]

83. what is it when we call men dicks, pricks, etc?

Insults are insults. If you pick one gender based it's still an insult but I'm not going to say every insult aimed at a woman is misogyny. Maybe some are but not all - it can be just an insult.

The word bitch especially is overreacted to in my opinion.

[CountAllVotes]

130. well ....

If you appear on the teevee w/your tits (implants) hanging out for everyone to view, you should expect a few "comments" I'd guess esp. when Mrs. Obama went all out by showing her ARMS for god's sake.

Reap what you sow Melania as you paid for them. You married for it so enjoy!

I have NO SYMPATHY for this GOLD DIGGER. Is that a "misogynistic" term as well? GOLD DIGGER?

[Warren DeMontague]

142. Are you saying she's a gold digger?

[CountAllVotes]

143. well it seems to be the case

What do you think?

[Warren DeMontague]

144. She aint..

never mind

[CountAllVotes]

148. she is a birther

We know this ok?

[Warren DeMontague]

160. I'm making a joke, in reference to a Kanye West song.

I just figured if an old Deadhead with his finger way way far off the pulse would spot it, everyone else would too.

[Warpy]

91. "Stripper" is also a job description so be careful

where your knee is jerking.

[tenderfoot]

101. That's only okay if you're conservative or Donald J. Trump

eom

[luvMIdog]

103. I called her a skank I won't do it anymore if it's disturbing but -

I'm also a woman. I didn't mean anything sexual implied. I meant low class and trashy. This is from the Urban dictionary-


Skank
Derogatory term for a (usually younger) female, implying trashiness or tackiness, lower-class status, poor hygiene, flakiness, and a scrawny, pockmarked sort of ugliness. May also imply promiscuity, but not necessarily. Can apply to any race, but most commonly used to describe white trash.
You know that girl Crystal that lives in the trailer park? She's a total skank.

I also called Trump a prick once, but no one noticed .

I will however do what will make others feel better and not use that word again

[JustAnotherGen]

109. Compared to what she does

You calling her a skank pales in comparison. She props up a racist hateful xenophobic, lies and well - she's a fucking disgrace.

For the record I find her to a be a disgusting worthless scum sucking maggot who is homely from the inside out. She needs a soul transplant and then maybe she won't repulse me with her fuglyness.

OP is more worried about being the word police than what Conway and her boss want to do to women who don't look like her. Fuck him, fuck her, fuck their next ten generations.

[CountAllVotes]

150. No kidding

Its ok for der fuhrer to say things like "let's bomb the shit out of them", etc. ad infinitum.

She bought this package and owns it.

No difference between the mindsets involved.

[bettyellen]

123. Non- gendered words like "trashy" and "asshole" can come in handy!

[NurseJackie]

154. Classless. Common. Cheap.

That's what I was thinking when I first saw that photo of her splayed out on the piano. Pure trash.

[CountAllVotes]

137. my neighbor calls her a "slut"

Defintion:

slut

noun

A sexually promiscuous female, esp one who dresses or acts provocatively (1451+)

Seems the shoe fits and it was said after seeing the sex pix on the net.

She done it to herself IMO.

[NWCorona]

112. Agreed! Anybody who's ever been in the military knows how easy and corrosive dehumanizing is.

I have no time for misogynistic comments.

[bettyellen]

118. Dehumanizing is a good point! Have been disturbed to hear DT refer to him as as "what voted" or ...

"What comes into this country"
Deliberately dehumanizing POC. It horrifies me.

[whathehell]

128. Thank you....Quite a few here need to hear that

including, sadly enough, some female DUers....It's not for nothing that women are often cited as their own worst enemies.. .

[frankieallen]

129. really? where you been? I not only believe it, i expect it.

[MountCleaners]

133. Someone thinks "stripper" is an insult?

It's a job.

If you've ever been called a "bitch" by someone who intends harm or who truly hates women, you would not like that word. I've used it to describe truly awful men and women, but sparingly. However, I would not use it against someone online because you don't know where it's coming from and frankly I respect the fact that the word is triggering to people who have suffered abuse. Repugs use abusive language all of the time and I think we should be better than that.

[wryter2000]

138. It's happened here before

We used to be routinely treated to Rude Pundit's calling Ann Coulter a "cunt." Thank heaven we don't call Clarence Thomas the N word. (Lord I hope I'm right about that.)

[bettyellen]

158. Yes and the bulk of those who make excuses for slurs decamped here for JPR where no word is

Off limits. They had to leave because they kept wanting to denigrate our nominee and there are certainly loads of places on the net where one can do that.

[Oneironaut]

151. Blatant hypocrisy here.

If Republicans called a Democrat these names, these same people would be going wild. Give me a break with the, "she's the enemy, so it's okay!" Similar types of mental gymnastics were used to commit horrible atrocities throughout history. At the very least, your thinking is foolish and your attempts to resolve your own cognitive dissonance are obvious.

You're either against misogyny, or you're for it. There are no exceptions. If you think "we need to be like them," then you're part of the problem. Kelly Anne Conway is an annoying hack who should be attacked for her policies - stop being a hypocrite and stop bringing all women down with her.

[bettyellen]

157. Yep! Look at the people on this thread judging other women for relationships and slurring them...

And imagining the men's are just victims of these predatory women. It's classic misogyny and being a judgey jerk.

Dudes- when you're talking about two consenting adults!- mind your damn business! Not everyone has the same type or depth of relationships you do, and we don't all have the same values about sex. No one tells you who to love or HOW. And vice versa!

[Oneironaut]

159. +1 million! Thank you!

[bettyellen]

162. It's the same as judging HRC's marriage and that was just as disturbing because when you look at the

Fallout- it's always women at fault, who suffer the consequences when people stick their big fat noses in other people's relationships.

[Dallasdem1988]

156. The double standard

The double standard around here is disgusting. Have some fucking morals you hypocrites. There are mountains of appropriate things to attack them with, who are you to use such filth? Would you call me a faggot just because I'm gay if I didn't happen to agree with you?

Pathetic. This website has been killing me to read Lately it's like we have sold our souls

[JTFrog]

166. Obviously it does no good to try to educate some people.

Their hatred and vitriol override any common sense or decency on this issue.

2016 showed that clearly enough.

[cwydro]

170. I agree.

With both your statements.

[TheFrenchRazor]

173. you are of course correct, but principles are "relative" to many here. nt

[rzemanfl]

176. I find it interesting that the first post I saw here of Kellyanne on the Oval

Office couch used the word "fap." Being a male pushing seventy, I had to look the word up. I didn't see anyone object to a word that suggested Kellyanne was about to masturbate in a room full of men, including that joke who is supposed to be president.

[njhoneybadger]

180. I think we should hold hearings on the matter.

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