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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA special warfare unit flew a Trump flag in public. Now the Navy is punishing its members.
Follow-up to an eye-witness report on DU several weeks ago. Note that the punishment is not further defined.
The sight of a large blue-and-white Trump flag perched atop the lead vehicle in a military convoy was a shocking sight for some Kentucky drivers on the final weekend in January.
Video and photos of the vehicle spread rapidly online, prompting Navy officials to open an investigation after they confirmed that the convoy was from a special warfare unit from Virginia Beach.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/03/01/a-special-warfare-unit-flew-a-trump-flag-in-public-now-the-navy-is-punishing-its-members/?utm_term=.7394cc82d092&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Trump's bad...
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,854 posts)own political opinions, they must not confuse those with the job they are doing.
gopiscrap
(23,759 posts)prison sentences, forfeit their benefits and cashiered out of the military in a public ceremony
hack89
(39,171 posts)They will get letters of reprimand in accordance with the UCMJ.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)As the DoD is not allowing us the sentence, I suppose your allegation is as good as any.
hack89
(39,171 posts)after 20 years in the military. What they did doesn't rise to the level of a criminal felony which is what it takes to be sent to prison.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)... an Article 15 summary punishment, which can result in some loss of pay, but does not become part of the "permanent record".
It's no felony, no court martial, no prison, no draw-and-quartering, no keel-hauling.
As far as infractions go, this one is very minor.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)If any of those clowns are noncoms, an Art 15 is a serious hit.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)I guess.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Another is what has been their duty performance up to that point. Do they have clean records or tidy files of *uck ups?
gladium et scutum
(806 posts)Hard work can cover up sin.
Cha
(297,196 posts)or what?
Mahalo, sarge
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)I don't recall seeing any E-4 or below.
Anyway, what these clowns DESERVE is a big chewing out, nothing more. If anything formal is actually done, it's because of the press and pressure from above.
Panich52
(5,829 posts)and thought of his command in MidEast as a Crusade. He was forced to resign his commission, but since these "Trump crusaders" aren't commanders, punishments you suggest are fine with me.
malaise
(268,980 posts)and this is just as bad.
gladium et scutum
(806 posts)a couple of yahoos show a Trump flag. Article 15 (aka Captains Mast) at most. Chew their ass, maybe restrict the for a while. Doesn't rise to anywhere near the level of a Felony (Courts Martial) level offense.
sarisataka
(18,636 posts)and their families cursed unto the third and fourth generation
gopiscrap
(23,759 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)But being Seals and all, they'd probably just swim home.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)Miserable little fucks.
world wide wally
(21,742 posts)Initech
(100,068 posts)Wouldn't be much of a change.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Action
Aviation Pro
(12,165 posts)...that was not answered in the article is whether the occupants of the vehicle were SEALs or support personnel. My guess is that it was the latter.
marybourg
(12,631 posts)in the article, even if it had to be along the lines of: we were not able to discover whether . . . and then they should get back with an update when they did find out.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)move to the next foxhole please, I don't want you watching my back. Need someone I can trust.
meow2u3
(24,761 posts)That would be the mildest punishment. They actually deserve a court-martial, convictions, and years in the brig and then a dishonorable discharge.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)Convictions for which felony crime?
Jesus, some of you posters are unhinged.
Cha
(297,196 posts)malthaussen
(17,194 posts)Show me where they violated the UCMJ in a fashion deserving of such penalty.
Article 15, maybe. Even that is going overboard, but they did piss off the wrong people.
-- Mal
sarge43
(28,941 posts)What punishment would you hand out for serious crimes - treason, mutiny, etc? Drawing and quartering?
Don't use sledge hammers to kill flies.
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)...the last time a major industrialized country allowed a subgroup of their military to fly a flag dedicated to a specific political party, and a specific political leader...it was THIS FLAG. We all know how that turned out.
keithbvadu2
(36,793 posts)Did they fly it before or after Trump killed SEAL Chief Owens?
malthaussen
(17,194 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)any purpose to make martyrs out these Trumpeteers. The less attention they receive the better for our side, and I have a feeling that their peers will not let them forget this asinine act of faux-patriotism quickly.
Gothmog
(145,185 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)have already been struck by him.