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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHarry Reid tried to warn you. He shouted it from the rooftops.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/31/harry-reid-just-made-a-huge-incendiary-evidence-free-claim-about-trump-and-russia/?utm_term=.f2de6a3453be
Stuart G
(38,454 posts)When?..Let's see how Trump responds to Comey. If he shuts up..well, things will subside...but I do not believe that he can/will shut up...we will see....
Let's say he picks a fight with Comey.......well that will be something...I am guessing that is what he will do
BumRushDaShow
(129,832 posts)expected to be signed tomorrow might divert attention again if they can play it up enough by terrorizing innocent people with it...
malaise
(269,248 posts)Amaryllis
(9,526 posts)said he thought it should have been released before and the president can decide to declassify info. Supposedly it was to avoid appearing bipartisan but I find it hard to believe that is the only reason given what's at stake. Wyden and other intel senators were also asking for it to be declassified but McConnell wouldn't.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)Sorry, but IMHO the Obama team has a lot of 'spainin' to do about why they didn't announce any of this before November.
Amaryllis
(9,526 posts)to wait on McConnell. Pres can declassify.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,027 posts)Merlot
(9,696 posts)My only thought on why he didn't was he knows how hard the repubs play. If he declassified the info the repubs would play it as partisan. They would have called it election tampering and had HC won, she would have been "illegitimate" in their talking points for the next 4 years.
If HC had won she could have declassified it.
That's all I've got.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)they had a lot of intel but didn't have the time to connect the dots, or they didn't have the one piece of absolutely damning evidence. Probably could have snared some of the aides, but they wanted to go after the bigger fish.
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)an investigation you don't want to reveal your hand until you know for sure that you have the winning one.
Obama really enjoys playing poker and chess. If you know the basics of the games and watch him carefully the skills used with those games show up in how he deals with certain things. If true then I'd take a SWAG that this is probably one of those things.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...and did not want the appearance of interference in the election, BECAUSE THEY AND THE REST OF US THOUGHT CLINTON WOULD WIN. Everything pointed to a Clinton win. The Obama Team probably felt like it would be much better for the new, incoming President to deal with the tRump*/Russia connections.
Beartracks
(12,822 posts)Amaryllis
(9,526 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,760 posts)There's a button in the lower right when you open that post.
Maaattcast
(18 posts)Look at it in the context of what everyone was thinking circa October 2016, that HRC was well on her way to an easy victory, everyone assumed that would be the outcome despite Russian meddling and Comey's bizarre statement 10 days before the election (that ended up being pointless as we all now know the "newly discovered emails" weren't new at all, only duplicates of messages the FBI had reviewed months prior). Everyone was just extremely confidant, including the man who helped lead Obama to 2 presidential election victories and whom Obama trusted completely (Plouffe)..
I figure Obama and most of his top aides really really really wanted to get more information out, we know this to be true essentially, with the reporting about the White House request that the congressional leadership of both parties join President Obama in releasing a public statement detailing Russia'a intentions. And we know Mitch McConnell said no, and made clear if the White House went forward with such a statement he'd make it a partisan issue.. which is exactly the opposite of what the White House wanted to do.
If this scenario went down, im sure many were advising, that on top of nearly half the country simply not believing it and thinking Obama was abusing his office to influence the election, it would also throw a big rench in the election that they felt confidant they were still on track to win. If the Russia issue became a highly partisan issue in the weeks before the election, you could even argue it would embolden the Russians to be even more audacious in there bid to influence the election (knowing that the issue was now tarnished as a right vs left fight rather than a national security issue). Simply put, when McConnell made his deal with the devil it killed any hope of Obama coming out with more information.
Finally, I'd also just point out that Obama took his responsiability as leader of the nation FAR FAR FAR FAR more seriously than our current occupant of the White House. We also know he was far more level headed (I mean seriously, we go from one of the most calm and collected leaders of our country to literally probably the most unhinged and least level headed). This sense of responsibility led Obama to act with caution.
NBachers
(17,156 posts)for more from Maaattcast.
I think that people don't get that this country managed to take the bloodless coup instead of the blood letting that WOULD have occurred had Hillary won.
BHO had to know, it was going to get REAL ugly had Hillary won as was, but if he had been too forceful in exposing what was going on it would have been painted as completely illegitimate by the right (and by extension our POS media).
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)And I concur. Everyone including their dog Bo thought Hillary would win. Not by a landslide maybe, but decisively. He was operating under that premise. So because Trump was so close at her heels, it just seemed the prudent thing would be to just shut up about it. Or come across as trying to influence the election himself. The turtle would be milking that for all its worth if he had.
On top of that, nice guy Barack was bending over backwards to prove he is the consummate gentleman and good President, and was frankly not in the mood for a fight right as he left office. The 'smooth transition of power' was pre-planned for months already.
So he did retain his classy image, but at what cost?
jg10003
(976 posts)risk looking overly partisan. It's also the same reason he didn't push a lot harder for Merrick Garland. We all thought that we would win the senate. Obama figured that after the election the senate would confirm Garland before the new Democratic controlled senate took over.
JI7
(89,281 posts)establishment is trying to stop the people and other bs.
that would have been the story instead of trump russia connections.
FakeNoose
(32,844 posts)Sally Yates had the info (Russian hacks and everything) and brought it to the White House, and she's the one that Trump fired.
I haven't seen her in the news or on TV since then.
I think she's must be writing a book or something. Either that or she left the country.
She is a Democrat, appointed by Obama. Did Trump put a gag order on her?
Rhiannon12866
(206,520 posts)http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/sally-yates-governors-race-georgia-235134
Fluke a Snooker
(404 posts)I can't believe that the GOP is even allowed to exist as a political party, let alone allow individuals as repugnant as Sessions and Trump to govern. Absolutely disgusting!
mdbl
(4,976 posts)to describe them
calimary
(81,558 posts)I think we just keep to keep asking:
"Okay, what do we know?" (Besides everything bad?)
And we know plenty. There's quite a list of KEY players in the trump inner circle - either back during the campaign or up til and including now - who have had some or a lot of contact with the Russians. Ambassadors, political operatives, oligarchs and high-rollers, money-launderers and financiers, society friends, real estate wheeler-dealers, media manipulators, messengers and assorted go-betweens, Putin insiders, the Ukrainians, hookers, RT people, one gadabout daughter and her wannabe-heavyweight husband, and at least one loose-lipped son.
I'm sorry - but there's just too much. And too many. It's just too doggone fishy. Or "hinky," as Al Franken recently put it.
It struck me in the midst of the Sessions mess - so much in the media (especially Pox and other "fake news" outlets) is making an earnest effort to frame him as though his Russian misadventures were some sort of isolated incident. But that approach ignores the MULTITUDES of other kinds of Russian connections swirling around this extra-large trump toilet bowl. Ol' Jefferson Sessions is just another brick in the wall - a wall that stretches for miles. He's just one face and name in a cast of what looks increasingly like thousands.
This is just too fishy. It's smelled that way to me ever since last summer - when it just struck me odd, all of a sudden, that all these damn leaks and Wikileaks releases and hacked emails WERE ALL TARGETING DEMOCRATS. Either at the party level, or individuals like John Podesta and, yes, Hillary Clinton. It just suddenly struck me as awfully fishy. I even tweeted every media person, pundit, and talking head about it. Nothing. Only NOW has it finally crossed anybody's mind among professional journalists that there's something REALLY FISHY here, and simple dismissals that it's just coincidence or everybody does it or "senators meet with those people all the time".
I suspect I know why President Obama kept this under wraps. He's the guy famous for being a master of "three-dimensional chess," after all. I'm sure he knew if his White House exposed this scandal before the election, it would be denounced everywhere as politicizing the election and trying to exert undue influence. Pox Noise, hate radio, Breitbart Inc., and all the talking CON-heads at every affiliate and network would all carry the same ball about it to viewers and listeners far and wide. The true message would be lost while everybody was arguing about reckless partisan politicians dancing on heads of pins. And the non-slanted media, ever wishing "to be fair" would take the bait and give those ridiculous rabbit hole trips round-the-clock attention. The Sturm und Drang would drown out the message. And by Election Day everybody'd already grown tired of it and moved on.
So what's the next best move? Leave lots of bread crumbs where those most strategically in the know would be able to find them. Or maybe leave a lot of little trap doors around - for people to fall through, when they think they've won and their vision becomes clouded by power, ambition, and greed.
tobefree
(33 posts)and if you're familiar with his background, he's not afraid to go straight at things.
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dchill
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underthematrix
(5,811 posts)along as a Russian asset.
From the article:
Reid is saying that he has been told the FBI has evidence of possible collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. And he's not just saying this information came from mysterious and unnamed national security officials; he's saying Comey himself has left him with this impression.
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)It all has to play out. It seems like forever since inauguration. Time is moving very slowly right now. But everything has to be put together. Cross the t's and dot the i's. President Obama did what he thought was best. It had to be very difficult place to be in. So Harry Reid took it from there. And clearly he was shut down. They have to keep digging and fighting to get the truth out. More ugliness to come.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)Bannon, Trump, Miller.......they didn't realize the depth of the waters they were getting into. Some Dunning-Kruger effect going on, I think.