I don't know, but a President Hillary Clinton would look pretty good

[MineralMan]

about now. I'd think that would be true for almost everyone, really, who isn't a right-wing creep. Just thinking about all the things that wouldn't be happening makes me long to go back to last Fall. Just imagine how different the news would be.

I know we can't go back, but we sure can think about what things would be like had she won a few tens of thousand of votes in just three states. I imagine that often as I watch the slow destruction of our rights and nation. And then I become discouraged again.

It's a pity, I think. A real pity. What a thing to happen, and we came so close, too.

[samnsara]

1. and a pox on those...

...who didn't vote for her.

[Kahuna7]

3. +1 nt

[MineralMan]

4. Well, they may have meant well, I suppose.

Results do matter, though. We have results. They are not good.

[Baconator]

34. Some bitter medicine...

... but it may lead to a stronger candidate in 2020.

[nycbos]

41. Especially those who call themselves "progressives."

[msanthrope]

2. Well, there were emails. Goldman Sachs speeches. And Jeffrey Epstien's plane. nt

[MineralMan]

7. Yeah, I guess. Somehow, that isn't comforting to me.

I keep remembering what she said she'd do if elected. All of that sounds so much better than what Trump's bringing, somehow...

[msanthrope]

9. We didn't know we had it so good....that we had the luxury of the mental masturbation

of that level of whingeing.


"I have an attic" is a phrase I used in conversation this week. Christ.

[Hortensis]

5. I think of what WOULD be happening.

And am sick that they are not.

[MineralMan]

10. Ain't it the truth?

I'm going to try to keep remembering what might have been, and thinking about 2018 and 2020, when we'll have another chance. Boy, I hope we don't blow things again. I hope we really, truly learned something from this. I hope we understand why elections matter a great deal. I hope we act accordingly in the future.

[Hortensis]

38. Yes. There is nothing that can't be rebuilt, and even better.

[csziggy]

47. But how many will suffer while it is being rebuilt

The children of immigrants snatched away from their parents for indeterminate amounts of time. The increase in hate crimes and bullying that is just going to get worse when we have a president who encourages it. The destruction of habitat and acceleration of global climate change. The erosion of educational quality as public money is shoveled into private school pockets.

We can rebuild - but we should NOT have to. We should have had a qualified president who cared about people, about this country and about the world. What we ended up with is vile, disgusting and hate-filled.

[Hortensis]

48. Well, time to join action groups opposing to try to

lessen damage and tragedies? BEFORE deaths in holding camps and disappearances of separated family members begin?

"Shouldn't have to" has left the station.

https://www.aclu.org/ "Join People Power"

[csziggy]

49. After this month I can try to be more active

Tomorrow my husband goes in to get his appendix out. The same appendix that burst Thanksgiving morning and put him in the hospital for three days with a raging abdominal infection. Hopefully all will go well and he will feel better fast. Just as he was over that his mother went in the hospital and died less than two weeks later. We've been a little distracted by all of this stuff. In two weeks we go downstate to spend my Mom's 96th birthday with her.

This Thursday night the local Indivisible group has a meeting and I hope I can attend. I recognize a few of the names from the 2008, 2012, and 2016 campaigns - we all worked together on those.

I tried to sign up for the ACLU group but you have to let them text you. Since I seldom use my cell phone that is useless as a way to contact me. I couldn't complete the sign up without providing my cell number so I bailed on them.

[Cracklin Charlie]

6. I'm in.

This whole thing is like a bad dream!

I am ready to wake up NOW!

[Mr. Ected]

8. It's really a pity the Founding Fathers couldn't have foreseen an election

Where the winning candidate was assisted by a nation hostile to US interests. Or that they didn't foresee a two-party system that would obviate checks and balances under extreme circumstances (like the ones we're facing today).

If only the Constitution had addressed these issues, we might be celebrating our Madam President being outstandingly presidential.

[MineralMan]

14. It's also a pity they didn't realize that some people would

prefer a disastrous President to one they just didn't love wholeheartedly. I'm not sure what they could have done about that, but their system let someone who won decidedly in the popular vote lose because less than 100,000 people in three states voted for the candidate who lost the popular vote.

But, here's the thing. We knew the rules of how our elections work. We just didn't realize that it was possible for a lunatic narcissist could become President. So, we failed to take that into consideration. I hope we never make that mistake again.

[tblue37]

39. They did not envision popular elections by universal franchise at all. (Nor did they envision

women voting, much less running for president.) If they saw this mess, they'd point out that they tried to prevent most people from voting because this is the sort of caca they expected from most people.

[Plucketeer]

45. I voted against Drumph

But as for the many that didn't - bear in mind that you can take your dollars to Vegas or you can put them in some solid investment. Not having but a few bucks to their name, folks figured, fuck it, I'll vote pie-in-the-sky and cross my fingers.

[guillaumeb]

11. But Benghazi!!!

And the child sex ring in the pizza restaurant basement.

And the Bowling Green Massacre.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

12. I feel the same way

Complaining about her being a "corporatist" and giving speeches to Goldman Sachs seems rather trite right now, eh? Clinton Foundation "play to pay"? Seriously?

[redstatebluegirl]

51. I will never forget having a heated discussion with a millennial who said she voted

for Trump to "make a point", if they "blew up the system with Trump", they could get Bernie in 2020......

[CaliforniaPeggy]

13. Your thoughts mirror my own.

And it just makes me feel sick.

All the policies that we took for granted, that were beneficial to everyone.

I keep wondering how it will all end.

[MineralMan]

16. I don't know how it will all end, my dear Peggy.

I do hope we will do something about it in the next two elections, though. I hope we'll opt for a reasonable government, even if we can't get an ideal one, whatever that might be.

But, I'm not so sure. I'm hearing people talking about primarying some Democrats if they don't do what some want them to. Democrats from red areas who are barely hanging onto their seats. Democrats who vote with the Democratic caucus almost all the time. That worries me, because it makes me think again of 2016, when a good, solid Democrat lost the presidency and we lost some Senate seats and House seats, too that were held by other Democrats.

I don't know how it will all end. I do know that the current situation is far worse than it should be. I know that we're in for an ugly period in this country. That makes me sad and somewhat depressed.

[msanthrope]

32. Wow. Just fucking wow. nt

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

15. But Drumpf's going to bring the revolution

According to Susan Saranwrap.

[MineralMan]

17. Well, by the time the "revolution" comes, I'm sure

I'll be long dead. So that's not all that comforting, somehow. I was hoping for a rebuilding presidential term this year. My hopes were dashed, though.

[LisaM]

35. Yep, was just reading some of her spewing a few minutes ago.

She annoys me. She still doesn't get it, and she still doesn't get that Gore would have been a great President, too.

[TexasProgresive]

18. It's a bit tarnished but there is a thin silver lining.

If Sec Clinton became the 45th president of the U.S. these assholes would've been attacking her at every move no matter how innocent. Where the silver comes from is when it comes out that they have all been covering up and enabling this so called idiot in chief perhaps will open some of the minds that are closed against her and us democrats in general.

I just hope the sliver of silver doesn't get atomized along with the rest of us.

[MineralMan]

20. That lining is so thin I can hardly see it, somehow.

Even with President Obama, the attacks were constant and troubling, despite the fact that he did more to advance things than any recent President managed to do. I hoped that would continue and we'd make even more progress, with a Senate majority and a President who would sign bills that promoted progress.

I just hope that attacks on the remaining Democrats who are holding office don't increase from our own side of the political spectrum. That would be disastrous if we lost even a few more seats in the Senate in 2018. But, I'm hearing rumblings about Democrats in red states who aren't progressive enough. That's how to elect Republicans to those seats, frankly.

It all makes me worried and apprehensive for the future. I sometimes feel like we missed our last chance to move this country forward. I hope that's not true. I hope we will realize just how badly we screwed up and make the necessary corrections. I'm not sure, though, that we can do that, frankly. I'm already seeing signs that are negative about that.

[humbled_opinion]

46. I also think we missed the last chance

How else can we possibly explain the loss of over a thousand Democratic political seats in this country, state houses, governor's, House, Senate, and now White House, in the last 8 years, I mean Obama was not a perfect Progressive but he did move the bar forward, why did everything get so rejected it has to be more than gerrymandering and idiot teabaggers.

[ismnotwasm]

19. Yup

Just listened to Washington States AG press conference on the "new" Muslim ban. I'm just sick

[MineralMan]

21. Aw, Geez. Really?

I'll have to go look at that, I guess. Ugh!

[mcar]

22. I can't help but think about what we've lost

Yes, she'd have faced endless bogus investigations into her "scandals." But we'd have the majority on SCOTUS and sane people in cabinet positions. Let's not even get into foreign policy.

Any Democrat or "progressive" who stayed home or voted 3rd party should be ashamed.

[MineralMan]

24. Well, I do hope that those people have learned something

from this. I hope they finally realize that terrible things can come from idealism that can't bend. Donald J. Trump is the proof of that. I can only hope that he will be forced from office sooner than later. But, then, we end up with Pence, who still wants the US to be a dominionist nation.

Scary stuff. We'd better do something in 2018 to change this course we're on. If we don't, we may be decades away from fixing what has started. We have only a short time to correct this path, I think.

[mcar]

36. We can no longer be complacent

I want to see competitive races in all state leg, governor's races, and so on.

[DFW]

23. Here's an ironic point to consider

IF she had made it, she would have had so much shit poured upon her, they would have had to hire extra window cleaners at the White House. Jason Chaffetz and Trey Gowdy would be looking into cloning, due to there only being 24 hours in a day. Fox Noise and National Hate Radio would be working overtime, and those who thought that single payer health insurance coverage and full income equality were achievable overnight would be calling her a traitor, and shouting that the Republicans had won the election after all.

Half the country would already be screaming for her head to be cut off with a dull knife, having no earthly clue what horrors they had just narrowly avoided.

And you know what? I'll bet she knows every bit of this, and went for it anyway. THAT'S the kind of president we just missed out on.

[MineralMan]

25. True, of course, but we still would have had her in

the White House, instead of the lunatic who's in there now.

Worlds of difference.

[DFW]

30. Correct, but still

It would have been the mother of all cases of "you never know what you've got 'til it's gone."

(now, it's "you never know what you're missing until you lose your only chance to have it&quot

I know one aspiring "progressive (self-declared)" journalist who has a strong following of a hundred or so people on Facebook. He STILL posts nothing but I-Hate-Hillary stuff--all day, every day. He professes to love Bernie, hate the far right, and posts how glad he is that Trump saved us from the awfulness of a Hillary presidency. I don't want to ever know what it would feel like to be consumed by so much hate for the world around me.

[MFM008]

26. it just makes me sick

were saddled with this lunatic.

[bettyellen]

27. Couldn't look worse than this:

Link to tweet

[tblue37]

44. Amazing, considering his vanity, that he goes out in the wind w/o a hat! nt

[LuckyLib]

54. We have liftoff!

[mahina]

28. I try not to think about it, as the sorrow is more than I can bear.

From my sig you'll see I supported Bernie in the primary, but I did all I could for Hillary after she won, including phone banking and helping out at her HQ. I never said a negative word against her and hopefully never will.

Some part of my mind still longs to see her in the office, as you do

These anti-voter laws have got to go, and we've got to fight for state legislatures as hard as we fight for presidential races.

[ffr]

29. It should not have even been close. Hillary is a wonderful caring person.

But we all knew we couldn't go back. Now were on this log ride of doom with no idea where it leads or when it ends.

Fucking republicans!

[Doreen]

31. For those who know what I mean,

I keep looking for a DeLorean to make things better.

[Eliot Rosewater]

33. But HRC is as bad or worse than Trump. At least that is what

the actress playing in the new FX show about Bette and Joan said.

Good show, though, so far.

Remarkable Susan hasnt begged forgiveness.

[nycbos]

42. She is Social Justice Warrior...

... fighting for her "revolution" Therefore she can't be wrong.


That is what the mindset is.

[Gothmog]

37. I agree with your analysis

[Cryptoad]

40. Helll a President Buggs Bunny would look damn good!

[Paladin]

43. Makes me sick, thinking how much better we'd be doing with Hillary at the helm.

It's a hell of a lesson for us; I hope we all learn from it.

[VOX]

50. Al Gore and Hillary Clinton: the best presidents we never had.

Too many Democrats bought the lies that Al was wonkish, "boring," stiff, talked too slowly, was not liberal enough. Sound familiar?

Between these two, who both lost excruciatingly narrow elections (while both won the popular vote), Americans lost out on 16 years of probable peace and prosperity. And genuine action on climate-change. Quite possibly 9/11 would have been avoided, and the Iraq conflict as well.

[peggysue2]

52. Agreed!

I agree, Mineral Man. We lost a great opportunity in November. As an ardent Hillary supporter, I was heartbroken. At the moment, I'm flat-out appalled.

We certainly should have all learned the lesson from the Bush/Gore debacle. I frequently wondered how much damage the country might have avoided had Gore won the WH. That's x2 or 3 this time out because the Trump/Bannon cabal are such a frigging nightmare. Truth is our memories appear to be extraordinary short.

Gore lost because he wasn't dynamic or left enough, the old purity test at work again. On the other hand, everyone wanted to have a beer with George Bush, even though the man was/is a recovering alcoholic and whose business/governing acumen was questionable at best.

Still, with the help of SCOTUS, we ended up with GW, Cheney & Co. who took us into Iraq and nearly brought the country to its knees economically. Obama spent 8 years trying to clean the place up. Now we have another bunch of house wreckers, worse than the last bunch. Totally nuts if you ask me.

We have the memory span of gnats.

[Rex]

53. Trump is the worst case scenario.

A Russian troll is running our country.