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BannonsLiver

(16,043 posts)
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 01:52 AM Mar 2017

I'm finding it hard to believe Ben Carson was ever a "brain surgeon".

This man's stupidity is breathtaking and it's making me wonder how any human being could survive a procedure done by him. I realize that makes me sound like a CT loon but It's just not believable. I wouldn't trust him to stitch up a simple cut let alone someone's cranium.

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I'm finding it hard to believe Ben Carson was ever a "brain surgeon". (Original Post) BannonsLiver Mar 2017 OP
Perhaps he made too many botched attempts on his own brain. nt C Moon Mar 2017 #1
It's that savant thing.. brilliant in one area and Cha Mar 2017 #2
That's the only possible explanation. BannonsLiver Mar 2017 #3
I still think of him as "the narcoleptic candidate..." Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #6
I'm totally with you on your thoughts. I have long thought the exact same things. joet67 Mar 2017 #24
As a surgeon, he is definitely the real deal. I like the savant theory Amishman Mar 2017 #55
That's why he's there MedusaX Mar 2017 #4
That's what I'm afraid of.. So many of us Cha Mar 2017 #7
My hope is he just doesn't do much of anything BannonsLiver Mar 2017 #12
Zero out the budget exboyfil Mar 2017 #17
Jeeze wouldn't that be Cha Mar 2017 #18
And now we see what he knows about slavery world wide wally Mar 2017 #25
right. Cha Mar 2017 #26
Aye, I wish HUD had more resources though as me, my brothers and our mother cstanleytech Mar 2017 #27
Sorry to hear that, cstanley. Cha Mar 2017 #29
that is the mission; to kill it! putitinD Mar 2017 #36
I don't think that Carson would know how to kill HUD. By now, he still doesn't Eyeball_Kid Mar 2017 #53
not Carson's mission, he can't do anything right, but the administration's mission, thats putitinD Mar 2017 #54
That's probably why. calimary Mar 2017 #37
Ben Carson is the the Rain Man of neurosurgery Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2017 #45
I think his assigned job is HAB911 Mar 2017 #51
He's brilliant! True Dough Mar 2017 #5
Oh wow.. thanks for the recap from benny, the genius, carson. Cha Mar 2017 #10
I've never believed he was a brain surgeon. southerncrone Mar 2017 #8
I agree but elleng Mar 2017 #9
Yale University Psychology Degree exboyfil Mar 2017 #11
Amateur assessment: from the way he moves his body when speaking, Eyeball_Kid Mar 2017 #57
Yeah, something is seriously wrong with him Warpy Mar 2017 #13
Well, he did leave a sponge in a woman's brain. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #14
DAMN !!! He was sued 8 times !!! Didn't know this, I was wondering who he fucked up as a doctor uponit7771 Mar 2017 #16
All surgeons are sued frequently. former9thward Mar 2017 #48
For leaving parts of a sponge in people? high MMI sounds like a winger TP for capping jury rewards uponit7771 Mar 2017 #59
Are you saying MM is not high for surgeons? former9thward Mar 2017 #62
The TP is the "others" are small amount and we know that uponit7771 Mar 2017 #63
People who actually work in the field do not "know that'. former9thward Mar 2017 #64
I know someone who was an intern with him. Staph Mar 2017 #15
Somehow I think Trump's buddies are going to get rich exboyfil Mar 2017 #21
It will be like HUD under Reagan. Read the history. The rich buddies got houses for nothing and nikibatts Mar 2017 #41
Exactly what I was thinking exboyfil Mar 2017 #43
he is purposely saying what he says to appeal to white racists JI7 Mar 2017 #19
Maybe MFM008 Mar 2017 #20
People can be incredibly fucked up Mountain Mule Mar 2017 #22
Welcome to DU, Mountain Mule! calimary Mar 2017 #39
He was probably nominally competent... dchill Mar 2017 #23
Did he practice on himself? nt Granny M Mar 2017 #28
Abby Normal Throck Mar 2017 #30
Welcome to DU, Throck! calimary Mar 2017 #40
Just another sociopathic goon. littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #31
As a nurse, I can confirm that, for the most part, tavalon Mar 2017 #34
It's listed as not high on psychopathy - one of the very lowest lostnfound Mar 2017 #47
He should have just remained a celebrated conjoined twin brain surgeon. Kablooie Mar 2017 #32
Two years later the twins were institutionalized due to Kittycow Mar 2017 #38
I think our brain surgeon had a stroke or at least a dozen TIAs tavalon Mar 2017 #33
Strokes/TIAs are a real possibility, as well as dementia or heavy medication. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2017 #58
Brain surgery requires extreme technical skill and little wisdom. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #35
He gave himself a lobotomy liberal N proud Mar 2017 #42
Maybe he was a skilled surgeon at one point, but the guy currently "ain't right." Vinca Mar 2017 #44
In the wake of Trump's usurpation on 1/20/2017... Orrex Mar 2017 #46
I'm with you. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #49
I told a rw "friend" when Carson was running for president HAB911 Mar 2017 #50
Carson isn't really difficult to explain JHan Mar 2017 #52
Ted Kaczynski was a math prodigy Juliusseizure Mar 2017 #61
his a stupid derange man who turns his back on history and his race...echoing beachbum bob Mar 2017 #56
He was able to prescribe opioids. n/t Orsino Mar 2017 #60
plumber...'Drain surgeon'....it's been a typo all these years. spanone Mar 2017 #65

Cha

(294,767 posts)
2. It's that savant thing.. brilliant in one area and
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 01:55 AM
Mar 2017

in benny's case.. dumber than shite everywhere else.

I wonder how he's going to muddle through head of HUD without killing it?

BannonsLiver

(16,043 posts)
3. That's the only possible explanation.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 01:58 AM
Mar 2017

If I ran into him in public before he became famous I'd likely assume he's had some kind of head trauma in his past.

joet67

(624 posts)
24. I'm totally with you on your thoughts. I have long thought the exact same things.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:42 AM
Mar 2017

Makes me wonder if he's a sham who just hasn't gotten caught yet. Maybe I've watched too many investigative shows over the years, but it wouldn't surprise me if he just reads stuff out of a few books and then does stuff.

Amishman

(5,525 posts)
55. As a surgeon, he is definitely the real deal. I like the savant theory
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:39 AM
Mar 2017

His work separating the conjoined twins was apparently exceptional. Could fake that.

His being some kind of savant would fit. The only place he's competent is inside someone's head (pun intended)

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
4. That's why he's there
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 01:59 AM
Mar 2017

He is to serve as Dr. Kavorkian ...
and help put HUD out of its alleged misery....

BannonsLiver

(16,043 posts)
12. My hope is he just doesn't do much of anything
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:06 AM
Mar 2017

I don't think Agent Orange is that into HUD or understands what it does. It seems possible Carson will be left to his own devices so maybe he just sort of falls asleep (literally) on the job without any real fundamental changes.

exboyfil

(17,835 posts)
17. Zero out the budget
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:16 AM
Mar 2017

That would be the approach. Is anything in the budget an entitlement that would require legislation beyond the next budget?

$50B which is close to the amount for the defense build up.

Ben Carson won't lift a finger to stop any budget reductions. In that he is like DeVos and Tillerson.

Cha

(294,767 posts)
18. Jeeze wouldn't that be
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:17 AM
Mar 2017

nice.. not destroy it like they want to do with People's Health care.

We'll have to look back on these speculations and hopes when it's more clear which direction the somnolent dr will take it.



But, he's one scary dude with thoughts like these.. oh look he acknowledged "slavery" then..



cstanleytech

(25,954 posts)
27. Aye, I wish HUD had more resources though as me, my brothers and our mother
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:59 AM
Mar 2017

were never fortunate enough to get any help so we were forced to move pretty much constantly from one place to another *sigh*

Cha

(294,767 posts)
29. Sorry to hear that, cstanley.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 03:18 AM
Mar 2017

Sounds like my family way back in the day.. before HUD.. which started September 9, 1965.

I fell into it quite by accident in New York.. my landlady's daughter worked for them and she could see I was having trouble with my rent.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,384 posts)
53. I don't think that Carson would know how to kill HUD. By now, he still doesn't
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:29 AM
Mar 2017

understand HUD's mission. Others are correct, however. Listening to Carson talk about ANYTHING leads me to conclude that I wouldn't trust him with making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich-- even IF he can do brain surgery.

The GOOD news is that he no longer practices surgery.

putitinD

(1,551 posts)
54. not Carson's mission, he can't do anything right, but the administration's mission, thats
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:38 AM
Mar 2017

why they put a blunderfuck in charge of it. To run it into the ground.

Cha

(294,767 posts)
10. Oh wow.. thanks for the recap from benny, the genius, carson.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:05 AM
Mar 2017


Wait a minute.. he acknowledges Slavery there.. so he's mr two face benny carson.

True Dough

elleng

(128,993 posts)
9. I agree but
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:05 AM
Mar 2017

during my first job in DC a colleague, who lived in/near Baltimore, told me about Carson the GREAT brain surgeon, and that was around 1980.

exboyfil

(17,835 posts)
11. Yale University Psychology Degree
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:06 AM
Mar 2017

Along with his medical degree from Michigan. He is 65 though, and I wonder that, along with having to tow the line on right wing orthodoxy, has impacted his mental skills. He lives in a right wing sound chamber where Africans sold their people into slavery, there where other slaves than Africans, many had it tough when first arriving in the country, life was better for their descendants than if they remained in Africa, and slavery was not all that bad - just look at Gone with the Wind.

The number of people on message boards justifying the analogy is simply amazing. Transport by slave ships kind of matches the vanilla definition of immigration.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,384 posts)
57. Amateur assessment: from the way he moves his body when speaking,
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:56 AM
Mar 2017

the way he articulates his sentences, and expresses his thoughts, he gives an observer the impression that he's somewhat neurologically delayed. There's something going on with this guy that would lead most to believe that he's suffering from some early onset dementia. His total body expressions, from his eyes to his hands to his language, appear to suggest that he's not capable, AT THIS TIME IN HIS LIFE, of complex problem solving. Perhaps he's on a powerful medication that diminishes his daily functioning. Nothing seems normal.

Warpy

(110,557 posts)
13. Yeah, something is seriously wrong with him
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:06 AM
Mar 2017

I keep thinking it was savant syndrome that allowed him to succeed academically and ultimately perform delicate surgeries. If he steps one inch outside that narrow field, the "idiot" part of savant syndrome shows up rather badly. However, it takes a lot to survive pre med, medical school, internship, residency, and advanced training. I don't see him as capable of doing that in his current condition.

It's either that or brain damage somewhere along the line causing him to leave his career suddenly in favor of being a public dumbass.

I would be very interested in finding out what full cognitive and neuro evaluations would turn up.

SunSeeker

(51,109 posts)
14. Well, he did leave a sponge in a woman's brain.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:08 AM
Mar 2017

And then when she came back to him complaining of pain, he claimed it was a brain tumor.

http://gawker.com/report-ben-carson-once-left-a-sponge-in-a-patients-bra-1735224497

He has been repeatedly sued for malpractice. It does not appear his hands or head were all that gifted.

former9thward

(31,510 posts)
48. All surgeons are sued frequently.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 07:56 AM
Mar 2017

Including any that have done surgery on you. And the more complicated the surgery the more they are sued. It goes with the job. That is why their medical malpractice insurance is so high.

former9thward

(31,510 posts)
62. Are you saying MM is not high for surgeons?
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 06:51 PM
Mar 2017

Maybe not in your world. Some plaintiffs' claims are valid, others are total fabrications. But I know that's a RW talking point...

Staph

(6,239 posts)
15. I know someone who was an intern with him.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:09 AM
Mar 2017

My friend says that Carson did exactly as much as was required and absolutely nothing else. Most young would-be surgeons are gung-ho and wildly competitive (as was/is my friend). Carson was not like them. And apparently, he still isn't.


exboyfil

(17,835 posts)
21. Somehow I think Trump's buddies are going to get rich
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:21 AM
Mar 2017

through Carson's inattention, and if any scandal blows up (and there has been two in Republican administrations), Carson will be left holding the bag. It will be a twofer for the right wingers - proves HUD is corrupt and blacks are incompetent. Bannon must have had an orgasm when Carson accepted.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
41. It will be like HUD under Reagan. Read the history. The rich buddies got houses for nothing and
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 04:52 AM
Mar 2017

defrauded the government out our millions while poor people were simply ignored. I think Reagan had more of his administration put in jail than any other modern President to date.

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
22. People can be incredibly fucked up
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:38 AM
Mar 2017

emotionally/psychologically with profound personality disorders and still excel academically. Look at Ted Bundy. His university professors praised him to the skies and he made it into law school. The only reason he had to quit was because he kept on killing women and finally got caught.

Ben Carson may very well kill more people than Bundy did if he allows HUD to go down the tubes without a word of protest. Lots of Americans who are elderly or disabled or the children of single Mom's count on housing assistance to save them from life on the streets. I'm one of them. Turn us all out on the pavement and many will die. I'm going to take two sleeping pills and knock myself out tonight. I can't take much more of this.

calimary

(80,204 posts)
39. Welcome to DU, Mountain Mule!
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 04:38 AM
Mar 2017

This is excruciating. It feels like long slow torture - that doesn't leave any marks except to turn your mind inside out.

I swear, I now wake up most mornings feeling like a hostage.

calimary

(80,204 posts)
40. Welcome to DU, Throck!
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 04:43 AM
Mar 2017

OMG - I forgot about that! Art imitating life in the case of this idiot savant.

littlemissmartypants

(22,105 posts)
31. Just another sociopathic goon.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 03:36 AM
Mar 2017

They come in all colors, shapes and sizes. Surgeons, in particular, are known for their enormous god complexes.


Surgeons—for some reason categorized separately from other doctors—are among the 10 most psychopathic professions, though they do get edged out by lawyers, media workers, and CEOs for the top three spots.




Reference

Kevin Dutton
The Wisdom of Psychopaths: What Saints, Spies, and Serial Killers Can Teach Us About Success
F First Edition Edition
ISBN-13: 978-0374291358, ISBN-10: 0374291357


tavalon

(27,985 posts)
34. As a nurse, I can confirm that, for the most part,
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 04:00 AM
Mar 2017

surgeons really are a different kind of asshole from doctors in other specialties. Now, I can show you examples that contradict both of those, but as a trend, I see why they are listed separately.

Again, as a nurse, I am horrified to see my profession listed, and yet, I meet some really, really, off nurses. Most are awesomely wonderful, caring people. Some make me wonder what ever caused them to take this career path.

Kablooie

(18,518 posts)
32. He should have just remained a celebrated conjoined twin brain surgeon.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 03:40 AM
Mar 2017

He would be basking in admiration instead of being on display as a idiotic oddity.

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
38. Two years later the twins were institutionalized due to
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 04:34 AM
Mar 2017

severe neurological damage. So maybe he just pioneered the techniques?

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
33. I think our brain surgeon had a stroke or at least a dozen TIAs
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 03:56 AM
Mar 2017

By many accounts he was, accent on the was, a really good brain surgeon. There is no way I would let him near my big toe now, so I must assume something changed. He always made me scratch my head. I suppose his old coworker's could be lying, but why?

Eyeball_Kid

(7,384 posts)
58. Strokes/TIAs are a real possibility, as well as dementia or heavy medication.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 09:04 AM
Mar 2017

Something's going on with this guy, and it isn't good.

Vinca

(50,084 posts)
44. Maybe he was a skilled surgeon at one point, but the guy currently "ain't right."
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 07:22 AM
Mar 2017

I wouldn't let him treat my cats.

Orrex

(63,004 posts)
46. In the wake of Trump's usurpation on 1/20/2017...
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 07:26 AM
Mar 2017

I got into a heated argument on FB with a friend-of-a-friend.

I couldn't believe how stupid he was, making wild claims directly at odds with reality while displaying a basic failure to understand politics, economics and foreign policy, and he lashed out with incredible savagery at anyone who disagreed with him.

Eventually I Googled him and couldn't believe the result: he's an accomplished and highly respected physician & research scientist as well as a department head at a major university on the west coast.

I asked my friend (whom I've known for almost 30 years) about this, and she confirmed that that's who he is, and in fact that's how she met him.

I'm sure that the good doctor sees himself as an expert in all things, but he's further proof that expertise in one field is no barrier to abject stupidity in another. Hence Dr. Ben Carson.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
49. I'm with you.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:10 AM
Mar 2017

The guy's a creationist who thinks joseph built the pyramids for grain storage. I wouldnt trust him to operate a bumper car.

HAB911

(8,734 posts)
50. I told a rw "friend" when Carson was running for president
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:17 AM
Mar 2017

that he was simply crazy.

He said, "He's a doctor!"

I said, "You think there are no crazy doctors?"

babbling ensued

JHan

(10,173 posts)
52. Carson isn't really difficult to explain
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:26 AM
Mar 2017

Humans can be brilliant and dumb at the same time. Even a high IQ won't stop cognitive errors: you can have a high IQ and still be irrational about a lot of things.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
56. his a stupid derange man who turns his back on history and his race...echoing
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:50 AM
Mar 2017

white supremacist sentiments....

spanone

(135,445 posts)
65. plumber...'Drain surgeon'....it's been a typo all these years.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 07:09 PM
Mar 2017

that's the only thing that makes sense.

either that or he's a savant.

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