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Handy list of all those who will lose out under Republicare. (Original Post) kpete Mar 2017 OP
Kicking this handy link thanks, Kpete! hatrack Mar 2017 #1
Thanks for posting. i think there needs to be some mass demonstrations re. this. skylucy Mar 2017 #2
It needs to be mass advertised, especially in Red States, with a BIG Republican on it OnDoutside Mar 2017 #4
Will tRump supporters realize this includes every single one of them? DK504 Mar 2017 #25
Democrats need to get out there and on to right wing TV and radio OnDoutside Mar 2017 #26
The latest thing I read says Republicans will continue to allow up to 26 covered by parents Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2017 #3
The UCA atreides1 Mar 2017 #5
#Trumpcare #MakeAmericaSickAgain... mwooldri Mar 2017 #20
Those non-trump supporters who decided not to vote for Hillary by either voting third party or not still_one Mar 2017 #6
Nice statement karynnj Mar 2017 #9
That is what makes this a complete disaster. If they had at least turned out to vote still_one Mar 2017 #10
Yep - and having people like Feingold lose is painful karynnj Mar 2017 #11
We will need to be loud and clear with our congress-creeps that it's unacceptable. Ilsa Mar 2017 #7
Great list, but it ignores somethings less tangible karynnj Mar 2017 #8
I believe that World Health Organization (UN body) mwooldri Mar 2017 #21
Nice list, but there are several on it that are not accurate SFnomad Mar 2017 #12
K&R. nt TeamPooka Mar 2017 #13
k and r and bookmarking niyad Mar 2017 #14
Disabled was not added. Doreen Mar 2017 #15
Thanks so much for posting this kpete sagesnow Mar 2017 #16
Thanks for posting Sherman A1 Mar 2017 #17
K&R and Bookmarked! smirkymonkey Mar 2017 #18
This is very good, we need to keep this thread alive. Jim Beard Mar 2017 #19
RepubliCare sounds REALLY good too uponit7771 Mar 2017 #22
This is an old article, Jan of 2017 from ABC, also telling of those who lose Jim Beard Mar 2017 #23
What it takes to turn the leading nation of the Free World to become a 3rd World nation. ffr Mar 2017 #24

DK504

(3,847 posts)
25. Will tRump supporters realize this includes every single one of them?
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 05:18 PM
Mar 2017

Will they have the balls to come out with us horrible liberals.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
26. Democrats need to get out there and on to right wing TV and radio
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 05:23 PM
Mar 2017

And get the message out. It's the only way.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
3. The latest thing I read says Republicans will continue to allow up to 26 covered by parents
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 09:37 AM
Mar 2017

Not that it makes their plan good... just one Obama care provision they say they will keep. Also I think you can't be denied because of pre-existing condition... but probably nothing that says you can't be over charged for it. They really should just leave it alone because their changes will make it worse. On the bright side, I think the Republicans will make it harder to get themselves re-elected if they mess with it now.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
20. #Trumpcare #MakeAmericaSickAgain...
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 07:16 PM
Mar 2017

Sorry but America needs socialist medicine when it comes to healthcare. There will be parts that reject it, but a decent public system that provides catastrophic care and basic preventive care is what we need. Poor people have something called 'time'. For treatments that are elective and non life threatening if not done (e.g. knee replacements) people can wait. People with money can pay more and get new knees quicker.

Single payer, universal care that's free at the point of delivery. Been working well since 1948 in the UK.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
6. Those non-trump supporters who decided not to vote for Hillary by either voting third party or not
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 10:11 AM
Mar 2017

not voting, not only propelled trump into the WH, but gave complete control of Congress to the republicans.

What did anyone expect, that they would do Medicare for all?

Every Democrat running for Senate in a swing state lost to the establishment, incumbent, republican.

Before this is over a lot of people are going to be hurt, and some of the blame will go to those who refused to vote:

Noam Chomsky said: "Progressives who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton made a ‘bad mistake’

“they [made] a bad mistake,” said Chomsky, who reiterated that it’s important to keep a “greater evil” from obtaining power, even if you’re not thrilled with the alternative. “I didn’t like Clinton at all, but her positions are much better than Trump’s on every issue I can think of.”

Chomsky also attacked the arguments made by philosopher Slavoj Zizek, who argued that Trump’s election would at least shake up the system and provide a real rallying point for the left.

“[Zizek makes a] terrible point,” Chomsky told Hasan. “It was the same point that people like him said about Hitler in the early ’30s… he’ll shake up the system in bad ways.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/noam-chomsky-progressives-who-refused-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-made-a-bad-mistake/

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
9. Nice statement
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 11:32 AM
Mar 2017

I would add that if these people found they could not vote for Clinton ... they could have at least came and voted for the Democratic Senate candidate. It is perhaps a sign that they thought she would win without their votes that they did not cast that vote for divided government against Trump. (Yet had the election seemed that close, they might have voted for Clinton over Trump.)

It is the loss of all those candidates that makes me think that in truth, it was not Clinton herself as much as a mindless vote for change. Seriously, if the issue was that Clinton was insufficiently honest and trustworthy, why did Feingold, whose peers often called the conscience of the Senate, lose by more. This makes me think the motivation was people angry at their own situation or at what they perceived were scary changes that werechanging their country in ways they viserally were reacting to.

Consider the intense feelings which I think all of us are feeling now. In their case, this was alphified by 8 years of alt news that distorted everything that happened. There meshed with the fact that many in the rust belt did not see the economy improving - or if they did, they saw it helping others, not them. Also, every social issue we saw as historical gains -- they saw as against their view of what should be.

The unfortunate thing is that their inchoate anger was there when a dangerous demogogue, with media ties, emerged. The US has had demogogues emerge before, but something always happened to keep them from gaining the Presidency. Now, what makes it even worse is that they control both houses of Congress.

I also worry that Trump's attack on Obama is completely intentional. The RW sewer attacked Obama and all his administartion for 8 years. I think that Trump is both following that sewer and worse he might strateigically be trying to eliminate as credible any reasoned voice that exists against him -- and no one is more credible than the wonderful former President.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
10. That is what makes this a complete disaster. If they had at least turned out to vote
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 11:39 AM
Mar 2017

for the swing state Senate races we would at least have a fighting chance.

Now, it won't be at least until 2018, and a lot of damage can be done between then

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
11. Yep - and having people like Feingold lose is painful
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 11:56 AM
Mar 2017

2016 was a better chance for us to win back the Senate than 2018 -- it was the replay of 2010 when we lost many states we never were concerned about.

It also makes me listen to my husband, who has said - as he did for years after 2004 - that it was a very clear choice. For all the noise in either year of accusations true, partially true, or completely made up -- there was a known real choice of two very different sides. There were many things Trump lied about, but many of his worst goals are exactly what he is doing. One of the most troubling things for me this time is that it really was a very very definite choice of two sets of goals. It was not like 2000, where the differences seemed small - with Bush claiming to be a "compassionate conservative" and Gore being one of the right most Democrats in his years in the government. In reality, we learned the difference that year was huge, but it was not obvious in 2000.

2016 showed us that we completely do not understand about half the people in this country. I seriously do not get the values or the mindset for ANYONE to vote for Trump.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
7. We will need to be loud and clear with our congress-creeps that it's unacceptable.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 10:56 AM
Mar 2017

Too many costs are falling on the poor, middle class, and we don't need to subsidize ceo salaries.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
8. Great list, but it ignores somethings less tangible
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 11:09 AM
Mar 2017

Trump's rollback on clean water, clean air and work to push back climate change impact everyone. Although the gated communities will not be on the toxic sites not cleaned up, they are stuck with the same air we all have.

Speaking of "gated communities", his policies will force MORE of them because his policies rather than trying to lessen the gap between the top 1% and the bottom 99% make it worse. It pushes us towards the patterns of a third world community. Where does this leave the current middle class, including the professional class?

Consider that third world nations are, by and large, governed by strongmen. There can be no democracy that would give equal weight to all people - they might just decide to vote their own interest!

I contend that many people, who might be able to survive the terrible list printed would be horified at our country, with a not perfect representative democracy becoming a Trump led dictatorship. Sadly, the easist way to stop this is for whichever Republicans who would be appalled by this to say "No!".

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
21. I believe that World Health Organization (UN body)
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 07:18 PM
Mar 2017

... declared air pollution to be one of the world's biggest health crisis... worse than HIV or Ebola.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
12. Nice list, but there are several on it that are not accurate
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 12:05 PM
Mar 2017

This list was probably created based on assumptions of what the RepubliCONs would do and before their plan was released.

As has already been stated, the 26 and younger will still be able to be on their parent's plan. The pre-existing condition requirement has not been rolled back with the introduced plan either, mostly because it can't be done with reconciliation. I'm sure others on the list are not effects of Trumpcare either.

As much as we need to show what their plan will do to people, we need to be careful not to give them ammunition to pick one or two items from the list, show that it's not true and question the legitimacy of the entire list because of it.

sagesnow

(2,824 posts)
16. Thanks so much for posting this kpete
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 05:33 PM
Mar 2017

I took copies of it to our Local Democratic Women's Luncheon here in Iowa. Appreciate all your frequent posts here.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
24. What it takes to turn the leading nation of the Free World to become a 3rd World nation.
Wed Mar 8, 2017, 02:20 AM
Mar 2017

One giant leap backwards for the United States.

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