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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis is what the GOP thinks of poor people without access to HC (Bible Justification Warning)!
Just like Jesus said, The poor will always be with us, he said. There is a group of people that just dont want health care and arent going to take care of themselves.
Pressed on that point, Marshall shrugged.
Just, like, homeless people.
I think just morally, spiritually, socially, [some people] just dont want health care, he said. The Medicaid population, which is [on] a free credit card, as a group, do probably the least preventive medicine and taking care of themselves and eating healthy and exercising. And Im not judging, Im just saying socially thats where they are. So theres a group of people that even with unlimited access to health care are only going to use the emergency room when their arm is chopped off or when their pneumonia is so bad they get brought [into] the ER.
https://www.statnews.com/2017/03/03/roger-marshall-kansas-obamacare/
"Bad! Sick!"
luvMIdog
(2,533 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)We heard about mythical death panels in the last round, and that meme spread like wildfire. Please spread the word from the horse's mouth so the morons who elected these assholes can see for themselves.
gopiscrap
(23,760 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Wow.
This is like the Republicans I know who quite the give a man a fish teach a man to fish horseshit, when they clearly have no intention to do either.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)There is a group of people that just don't want to show humanity and aren't going to take care of anyone else. Just, like, soulless conservatives...I think just morally, spiritually, socially, you just don't want to exemplify any kind of decency.
The Congressional Republican population, which is a free credit card with perks, as a group, do probably the least medical care for the population and the most for themselves.
And I am not judging... I'm just saying categorically that is where you are. So, you're a group of people with unlimited access to health care who wouldn't help someone even when their arm was chopped off.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)and abused Gospel verses about the poor. Jesus was actually quoting an old testament verse from Deuteronomy 15 7-11. His disciples would have known the background of that chapter and understood his rebuke to Judas.
For anyone interested here's the bit from the Bible that Jesus was quoting from:
Generosity to the Poor
7 If there is among you a poor man of your brethren, within any of the gates in your land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart nor shut your hand from your poor brother, 8 but you shall open your hand wide to him and willingly lend him sufficient for his need, whatever he needs. 9 Beware lest there be a wicked thought in your heart, saying, The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand, and your eye be evil against your poor brother and you give him nothing, and he cry out to the Lord against you, and it become sin among you. 10 You shall surely give to him, and your heart should not be grieved when you give to him, because for this thing the Lord your God will bless you in all your works and in all to which you put your hand. 11 For the poor will never cease from the land; therefore I command you, saying, You shall open your hand wide to your brother, to your poor and your needy, in your land.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)I figure knowledge is power (and at times a 'weapon').
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Many of our Christian neighbors here in the deep south feel their responsibility is to what they see as their community. If children are going hungry in the next town over, that really needs to be that community's responsibility.
When I pointed out once that our county has plenty of sick whose needs were not being met by the people of the county, and shouldn't we...? End of subject. They got tired a long time ago of explaining to liberals what we seem incapable of understanding.
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)Some are VERY set in their beliefs. I've even been called the 'devil' for quoting Bible verses which prove them, and therefore the ministers they quote, wrong or expose their hypocrisy.
I'm not sure if it's that they get tired of explaining as much as their being tired of us showing them up.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and when examined with open minds their beliefs have far more validity than most are willing to admit. As far as they go, of course.
At least they did at one time, anyway.
These times, when religious doctrine has been twisted to support political partisanship, have to have done great damage to conservative churches. I've read some "whither Christianity" moaning for years, but hopefully it's becoming apparent to more than just some leaders and scholars, and those few percent who've withstood the corruption.
standingtall
(2,785 posts)A woman had brought Jesus an alabaster box of precious ointments,but his disciples saw it,they had indignation,saying, To what purpose is this waste? For this ointment might have been sold for much and given to the poor.
The Jesus said For ye have the poor always with you,but me you have not always. He was about to be crucified and those ointments were to be used for his funeral.
Jesus was not saying the poor will always be with us therefore it was pointless to help them.He was saying in this case his death was priority. Jesus taught to help the poor in many other places of scripture anyway. Disgraceful that someone would misuse that scripture to justify denying healthcare to poor people.
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)that's the context and that be obvious to someone who calls themselves a Christian (and IME this story is a common one told during Lent). Sadly though it's easier for some to quote Bible verses taken out of context and with zero understanding of the background story, historical times, why, etc.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... not know the background.
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)so it's possible he doesn't.
IME many people go to church/mass just to show they're 'good christians'. There they pick up snippets of scripture and then use them without any real thought, understanding or knowledge.
hatrack
(59,585 posts)He beat Tim Huelskamp in the GOP primary.
Huelskamp was such a dick that he got kicked off all of his committee assignments. He even got kicked off the Agriculture Committee - and he's from freaking KANSAS, for crying out loud.
Well, now the real Rep. Marshall has stood up, and we now know him for the heartless asshole he has revealed himself to be.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)...that provide settings with gardens and the like.
I mean, why would the poor not go to his expensive clinics, right?
hatrack
(59,585 posts)If you know what I green, uh, mean.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... that poor people just don't want to healthy sounds reasonable. That means I get to quit caring because it's their fault. I also don't have to think anymore, so that's good. And it's wrapped in a basterdized bible quote, so I can feel morally great and superior.
Nothing more to do but to take away their healthcare!
hatrack
(59,585 posts)Solly Mack
(90,765 posts)LunaSea
(2,894 posts)Comes from Rev Barber-
http://shareblue.com/heresy-rev-barber-smacks-down-gop-rep-who-quotes-jesus-to-claim-poor-dont-want-health-care/
BARBER: Well, that is a form of heresy. It is a misquoting of Scripture. It is what the so-called religious evangelicals put out there. They actually misquote that Scripture. When Jesus was quoting that as a good Hebrew, and a good Jewish person. Whenever they quoted part of scripture, they meant the whole Scripture. If you go back to Deuteronomy, that Scripture says because the poor will be with you, then you should care for the poor. You should care for the alien. And it was talking to the nation. Jesus, if he did anything, provided free health care, Joy. Everywhere he went, he set up free health clinics.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Im not judging, Im just saying thats socially where he is.
Oneironaut
(5,494 posts)I know Jesus scolds Judas for judging a woman for pouring oil (perfume?) on him (but wasn't that because he was a thief?), but I can't find this quote in the context of "people will always be poor, so there's nothing we can do about it."
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)of that Jesus quote.
You're right that Jesus was scolding Judas, and in his saying, "You will always have the poor among you" Jesus was quoting from a main Jewish tenet taught by Moses about helping the poor in Deuteronomy 15 to do so.
HAB911
(8,891 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Medicaid recipients? Methinks he is talking out of his ass.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)...it says that it's inconclusive, but people on Medicaid tend to use preventive medicine.
caroldansen
(725 posts)care about is themselves.
Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)Jesus expected others to understand his meaning as it was a familiar quote...it has been used by the right to justify wounding the poor...but they better pray (haha) there is no God because if there is they will be sent straight to hell.
"If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be ... For the Poor will always be with you Therefore I command you, You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land. (Deuteronomy 15: 7-11)"
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Demsrule86
(68,565 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Not an excuse to shrug one's shoulders and do nothing.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)or they don't understand it. I'm an atheist and I know more about their bible than many of them. They use the bible to justify their cruelty.
What a jackass Marshall is. Cruel AND ignorant, a lethal combination.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)...but I respect all faiths and creeds. I did find that a lot of people do not understand what it is they believe in.
It's not the faith or belief that disturbs me, it's the warped view of their belief that seems at issue.
Calculating
(2,955 posts)Because these sorts are gonna be in for a rude surprise in that case.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Marshall's from Kansas, the Koch-destroyed hellscape that's voted right-wing for so long that it's falling apart at the seams.