JD Gordon

[cilla4progress]

His recent admissions of changing the republican platform to benefit Russia at Trump's direction in the middle of Russia's hacking the 2016 election to benefit trump ...how is that not enough to charge Trump for treason?

[jmg257]

1. 1) Because he didn't say he did it at trumps's direction.

He said he was making it more in-line with trump's "views" as discussed in March.

2) how is changing the GOP platform treason?


"The Trump campaign's national-security policy representative for the Republican National Convention, J.D. Gordon, told CNN on Thursday that he pushed to alter an amendment to the GOP's draft policy on Ukraine at the Republican National Convention last year to further align it with President Donald Trump's view
...According to CNN's Jim Acosta, however, Gordon said that at the RNC he and others "advocated for the GOP platform to include language against arming Ukrainians against pro-Russian rebels" because "this was in line with Trump's views, expressed at a March national security meeting at the unfinished Trump hotel" in Washington, DC."

[cilla4progress]

2. 1) I'm pretty sure he did

2) because Russia is the worlds largest purveyor of cyberwar and hacked into our election at the same
Time. Quid pro quo. Pretty simple. Russia is an organized crime syndicate.

This is incombination with trump's dirty financial dealings around the world.

[jmg257]

3. I saw a couple pretty confusng articles. But he said trump was not directly involved.

http://www.businessinsider.com/jd-gordon-trump-adviser-ukraine-rnc-2017-3

"Meaning they weren't part of the process to write, draft, edit the document, or weigh in with the delegates at all," Gordon said in an email. "That said, the overarching thought of better relations with Russia was certainly their strategic position"

[jmg257]

7. 2) That's well and good, but changing a party platform isn't treason.

[cilla4progress]

9. Depends on why.

If it's quod pro quo for throwing the election, it is treason.

[jmg257]

13. How is changing the GOP platform doing anything?

The democratic/Obama/Clinton platform includes calls for an assault weapons ban, but we don't have one do we?

Calling for not arming Ukraine rebels vs calls to arm them...for whatever reason (and trumps was "Ukraine not worth WW3&quot doesn't really do anything.

[Cracklin Charlie]

14. I watched Maddow show...

And it occurred to me...Why would Russia know, or care, what was in the Republican Party platform?

Because they hacked the RNC. This is what they were doing with the information.

Why did Jason Chaffetz, and others, go from "never Trump" before, to "whatever Trump wants" now?

Because Russia hacked them, and is blackmailing them. Not past tense.


This cannot be allowed to continue.

[AgadorSparticus]

4. I thought Rachel Maddow said that the ONLY thing the trump campaign stood

Up on its hind legs to make a fuss about was just that: remove the language about the russian involvement with Ukraine. So, it isn't a lie that JD Gordon removed it in order for the Republican platform to align with the trump campaign. But it was BECAUSE the trump campaign said something about it. Otherwise, Gordon would not have picked this one thing out and removed it.

[jmg257]

6. That is correct, and she also used JD Gordon as the proof. But his story

Didn't match exactly with what she said he said.

Gordon was definitely involved in the modifications, to match the trump teams views and "strategic positions".

[AgadorSparticus]

8. It would not make any sense that, of all the stuff listed in the platform,

That he would pick this ONE item to remove---of his own volition. That makes NO sense whatsoever. It sounds like tires are spinning on the right trying to cover their tracks.

[jmg257]

11. Of course its suspicious. And it jives with the dossier, which was Rachel's point.

Wonder why Gordon would even change his story between BI and CNN?

[cilla4progress]

12. And everyone else on the platform committee

Said it was at the trump campaign's direction, while the campaign denied any involvement with it.

Why all the deception?

[Cracklin Charlie]

15. What if changing the platform...

Was demanded by the blackmailer, as proof that the one being blackmailed was going to continue to do as he was told? I believe there may have been something in the dossier that said Putin and co. had been getting worried around convention time, about Trump's ability to carry through.

Why pick such a seemingly random document?

Maybe because they thought no one would be paying much attention, or it dealt directly with the blackmailer's interest, or to send a signal to the blackmailed that the RNC data had also been hacked, and that information would be used as blackmail if they didn't fall into line.

Seems like one after the other has fallen into line.

[Me.]

5. Because A PLatform Is Not A Government Doc

And you have to be able to prove quid pro quo

[cilla4progress]

10. Working

On it.

[Me.]

16. Hope You Or... Anyone Succeeds

[cilla4progress]

17. Not me

brave persistent journos like Rachel. 😉

[cilla4progress]

21. Also, its not just a platform plank,

It's all the softening toward Russia and Putin.

[Me.]

22. That's True

It was an outing moment

[nocalflea]

18. You have to prove "quid pro quo " for treaso

due to collusion.What did they collude in doing - changing the party platform ? for what in return ?
The change in the platform is only a tiny - and more than likely -relatively insignificant - piece of the conspiracy. It can lead you in a direction , but it proves nothing.

[cilla4progress]

19. Um...for throwing the election to him for one, and

Forgiving debt, covering financial tracks.

I agree the platform is not terribly significant. Seems the trump campaign did.

[nocalflea]

20. Their scared.That's why the press needs to keep the pressure on

.Everything , large or small , takes on huge significance in their minds.

[wishstar]

23. Gordon called NY to clear with Trump before platform change, per Diane Denman, Repub delegate

This excerpt from Business Insider was posted here on DU last Saturday:
Piece of puzzle - Trump, et al picked ONLY one platform issue to change and lied about it.

TRUMP PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED IN NO PLATFORM DISCUSSION EXCEPT FOR UKRAINE and LIED ABOUT IT

snip
Diana Denman, the GOP delegate who proposed amending the Ukraine platform to include the "lethal weapons" language, contradicted Gordon's version of events in an interview with Business Insider in January. She said Gordon and another Trump campaign representative asked the cochairmen of the subcommittee to table the amendment after she read it aloud.

"Two men sitting over to the side of the room — I had no idea who they were but later found out they were Trump representatives — jumped up and tore over to get behind the three cochairmen," she said.
Gordon then left the room to make a phone call, Denman said. Equal parts confused and angry over her proposal being scuttled, Denman said she confronted Gordon about whom he was calling.

"I'm calling New York," Gordon replied, according to Denman. "I work for Mr. Trump, and I have to clear it," she recalled him saying, apparently in reference to the amendment.

http://election.democraticunderground.com/10028744429

[cilla4progress]

24. Chilling

[nolabels]

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