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Norbert9

(494 posts)
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 11:26 AM Mar 2017

Mysterious Russian, and Trump, related deaths are really piling up

I'm sure many have seen most of this but I think it's worth repeating. Seven, count 'em seven, Russian high ranking officials have died starting on election day. Plus another Ukranian businessmen with ties to Trump and Russia for good measure. The list:

1. November 8, 2016: Sergei Krivov, age 63, believed to be the Consulate Duty Commander, died at Russian consulate in New York. After initial reports suggested trauma, police deemed he died of natural causes.

2. December 19, 2016: Andrei Karlov, age 62, Russian Ambassador to Turkey shot publicly in Ankara. It is believed he was assassinated in protest of Russia's involvement in Syria.

3. December 19, 2016: Peter Polshikov, age 56, senior figure in the Latin American department of the Russian foreign ministry, was shot in the head in his apartment in Moscow.

4. December 26, 2016: Oleg Erovinkin, age 61, was not a diplomat but was a former KGB/FSB general, a current Top Rosneft executive, former deputy head of personnel for the protection of state secrets under Yeltsin, and alleged information source of Rosneft kickbacks in the Donald Trump–Russia dossier. He was found dead in the back seat of his car in Moscow and the cause of death is unknown.

5. January 9, 2017: Andrey Malanin, age 55, head of the Consular Department at Russia's embassy in Greece, was found dead at his apartment in Athens. He reportedly died of natural causes.

6. January 27, 2017: Alexander Kadakin, age 67, Russian Ambassador to India died reportedly of heart failure in New Delhi.

7. Feburary 26, 2017: Vitaly Churkin, age 64, Russian Ambassador to the United Nations for over a decade died also reportedly of heart failure the day before his birthday in New York.

8. March 2, 2017: Alex Oronov, age 69, neither a Russian nor a diplomat but he bears mentioning. He was a native Ukranian, naturalized American millionaire and had family ties (father of an in-law) to Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen. Reports are circulating he set up a secret with Russian officials regarding Crimea. I have not found any reports on where or how he died.

Links:

Axios: Russian diplomats keep dying unexpectedly

Some history: In November 2015, a senior adviser to Putin, Mikhail Lesin, who was also the founder of the media company RT, was found dead in a Washington hotel room according to the NYT. The Russian media said it was a "heart attack," but the medical examiner said it was "blunt force injuries."

Two cases that are a little clearer: In 2006, former KGB officer and whistleblower Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned with radioactive polonium. Six years later, whistleblower Alexander Perepilichny died from a toxin while jogging in England, per the NYT report.

Crooks and Liars: EIGHTH Russian Connected To Trump Found Dead

GQ: In the Last Six Months, a Number of Russian Officials Have Reportedly Died Unexpectedly

The Independent: Unexpected deaths of six Russian diplomats in four months triggers conspiracy theories

Vitaly Churkin, 64, was rushed to hospital from his office at Russia’s UN mission on 20 February, after becoming ill without warning on his way in to work.

It was initially reported that Mr Churkin may have suffered a heart attack, but following an autopsy medical examiners said the death required further study.

Media company Axios note that not only is Mr Churkin’s death unexplained, but it is also remarkably similar to the deaths of Russia’s Ambassador to India on 27 January, the country’s consul in Athens on 9 January, and a Russian diplomat in New York on US election day, 8 November.

The three other deaths were all also labelled “heart attacks” or the result of “brief illnesses”.

The Independent: Ukranian businessman with links to Donald Trump and Russia dies in unexplained circumstances

Mr Cohen is understood to have an extensive network of personal and business relationships in the Ukranian-American community – and his associates included Mr Oronov, a partner in the ethanol business the lawyer’s brother, Bryan, set up in Ukraine.

The “peace plan” meeting brought together Mr Artemenko, Mr Cohen and Felix Sater, an American-Russian long-time business associate of Mr Trump who is reported to have ties to the Russian mafia.

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The [Facebook] post, written in Russian, translates loosely: “Yes, I’m guilty... Alex Oronov, my partner, my friend, my mentor, Alex was a family member of Michael Cohen. And he organised all kinds of stuff, including an introduction and a meeting for me with Michael Cohen.”

It adds: “Unfortunately, his heart could not endure it. He died... Friend, your death will not have been in vain, nor will the deaths of tens of thousands of Ukranians and Russians, Alex Oronov, during this wild, undeclared war! Rest in peace and forgive me if you can, as difficult as that may be!”

Jalopnik: How Russia's Critics Keep Ending Up Dead (Or Almost Dead)

Sources told The Telegraph this week that Russian-backed Serbian nationalists disguised as cops planned to launch an attack on the parliament building in October of last year and kill Djukanovic, the prime minister at the time.

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Though there is a difference between the U.S. and Russia. Where Americans may feel despair in their justice system, many Russians have simply given up. As flawed as America’s justice system is, it is nowhere near as bad as the one Russians have to endure. America has its own issues with unfair court systems and police brutality—look at the Black Lives Matter movement and other protests that have sprung up in recent years attempting to address this very problem—but Americans do believe the process, flaws and all, can work for them if they force it to. In Russia, not so much.

We also have to keep in mind that political opposition here in the U.S won’t get you jailed and killed. In Russia, it is sadly common. There is nothing commonplace about top political leadership being murdered just blocks from the White House. The U.S. may not be perfect, but its civil society is much more intact than Russia’s by any measure—and Russia’s is so damaged that we may never see an end to the killings.

Mic: At least 7 Russian officials have turned up dead since Election Day. Here's what we know.

On Nov. 8, the day of the 2016 United States election, Russian consular duty commander Sergei Krivov was found dead on the floor of the Russian consulate in New York. Though police had initially said he died of "natural causes," a Buzzfeed report revealed mystery surrounding Krivov's sudden death. Krivov, who was found with a head wound, was initially said to have fallen to his death before consular officials changed the story and said he had suffered a heart attack.

In December, Petr Polshikov, a senior Russian diplomat who served as the chief adviser to the Latin American department at the ministry, was found dead in his Moscow home with a bullet wound in his head. Hours later, Andrei Karlov, Russia's ambassador to Turkey, was assassinated at an Ankara, Turkey, art gallery by a Turkish police officer, apparently in response to Russia's involvement in Syria. There is no evidence that the two shootings were related, according to the Independent.

NBC News: It's Dangerous To Be A Russian Official These Days


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Botany

(70,501 posts)
1. Are you kidding me?
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 11:34 AM
Mar 2017

March 2, 2017: Alex Oronov, age 69, neither a Russian nor a diplomat but he bears mentioning. He was a native Ukranian, naturalized American millionaire and had family ties (father of an in-law) to Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen. Reports are circulating he set up a secret with Russian officials regarding Crimea. I have not found any reports on when or how he died.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
3. no I wasn't saying anything about the content of your post but the statement
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 11:41 AM
Mar 2017

That a person linked to Trump's lawyer got whacked.

And to think of all the crap about "crooked Hillary."

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
4. "State Dept asked NYC Medical Examiner not to disclose cause of death of (Oronov).
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 06:08 PM
Mar 2017

claiming diplomatic immunity"

which does not apply to dead people

and would apply only if revealing his cause of death would implicate him in a crime in process.




Botany

(70,501 posts)
8. I think we are to 10 people who have woke up dead.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 06:25 PM
Mar 2017

But what about HRC's emails?

This was a coup run by Putin.

politicat

(9,808 posts)
5. It needs a name. Sudden Putin Death Syndrome.
Sat Mar 11, 2017, 06:10 PM
Mar 2017

SARS Got the CDC's interest with fewer deaths and illnesses.

Response to politicat (Reply #5)

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