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(269 posts)or a simple process at all, but would the blue states not secede if this happened?
Kimchijeon
(1,606 posts)I'd leave for sure if this rewrite happened. (Or would support seceding) Already we have discussed this in our household, we don't want to abandon everything but we may simply have to.
They are really brazen and bold now, they know they can just do whatever the fuck-all they want, and they will. Frankly, I feel like we are just kidding ourselves thinking we can force the billionaires in power to relinquish their power. (Just being painfully honest)
I hope I'm wrong, I hope it's not as bad as it seems.
world wide wally
(21,743 posts)Gone off to look for America if anybody asks.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)Nothing the man has to say can be trusted.
OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)he is a Putin puppet. He has always been a Bernie supporter and Thom is perhaps the most well-read pundit out there. I do not believe for a minute he is a Putin mouthpiece. He is simply looking for a way to get his message out.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)RT is official Rusian state media. NOTHING is broadcast on RT that isn't Kremlin approved.
Both Schultz and Hartmann sold out to RT and are broadcast by RT. That means both are mouthpieces of Putin.
Kimchijeon
(1,606 posts)I've listened to Thom for years & years too. Always listened to "Brunch with Bernie" - Thom is a really astute guy. Very impartial, and what I would say is a true progressive. Now, maybe because he doesn't suck up to the "corporate party line" I realize some people might bash on him.
I'm not aware that he is affiliated with RT... is the implication that shows broadcast on RT are therefore "Putin propaganda?"
Granted I'm not up on the latest conspiracy theories, but it doesn't seem logical.
Wouldn't that be like saying Rachel Maddow is a "corporate billionaire mouthpiece not to be trusted" because MSNBC is owned by a billionaire? Doesn't seem to make sense.
Or is that like saying any news on Al-Jazeera is "terrorist" like FOX news/righties would say?
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)Nothing he has to say is not approved by the Kremlin now.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Trust me, you really really want to put up or shut up about that.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Not sure if ALL of RT is to be considered 100% unreliable tho..
Hartmann has a well earned huge Dem fan base.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)That's why they bought Thom Hartmann, to spread their bullshit to the left.
NOBODY broadcasting on RT can be trusted.
Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)Anyone who has listened to, watched, or read Thom Hartmann all these years knows how bogus that slur is.
Thom was around long before any of us ever heard of RT. There is nothing in his personality, nothing in the way he conducts himself which could lead anyone sober to that conclusion.
Take the time to be sincere, FIRST, before posting.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)NOTHING goes on the air on RT that is not Kremlin approved.
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edhopper
(33,576 posts)but until there are 67 GOP Senators it won't happen.
The Big Ragu
(75 posts)at least, probably longer.
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)thinking about rewriting the Constitution more people will be in the streets, the ACLU would be all over this.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,326 posts)So how hard do you think it will be to fleece people in to believing this would be a good thing?
And if The Constitution gets rewritten, ACLU can't do shit about it.
I'm a gay man. And I'm sure marriage equality would be on he chopping block. But honestly, the balanced budget amendment scares me more.
Virtual Burlesque
(132 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,326 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)It's not much of an oversimplification to say that the public wants lower taxes, more spending on the programs they like, and a balanced budget. Congress can't balance the budget without raising unpopular taxes and/or cutting popular spending.
State legislators who pick delegates to a ConCon and then vote on whether to ratify an amendment are under no such constraint. They can get the best of both worlds. "See, I'm for fiscal rectitude, I voted for the balanced-budget amendment!" It then falls to someone else to implement it, with resulting loss of popularity.
In the ultimate irony, a Senator or Congressmember who votes for the unpopular measures needed to balance the budget might then be successfully challenged by a state legislator who voted for the amendment that forced that unpopular action.
I can't see ratification by 3/4 of the states for something like outlawing abortion. The 13 most liberal states could block it. I also think Wolf-PAC's efforts are wrong, because the 13 most conservative states could block an amendment to overturn Citizens United. The balanced budget, however, wouldn't be strictly liberal-versus-conservative, but would also be state-versus-federal. I can see quite a few Democratic state legislators voting for it.
Initech
(100,069 posts)This is why I'm 150% against the idea of a constitutional convention. Because the big money interests are going to be the ones who will write new policy. Not us.