Bernie Sanders Wins Over Crowd Of Rural Trump Supporters By Exposing The Truth About Trumpcare

[Donkees]

[font size="4"]The Vermont senator went into tough terrain, but he was able to show West Virginia Trump supporters how the GOP is conning them.[/font]

Bernie Sanders went into hostile territory for progressives and convinced the president’s supporters in West Virginia that Donald Trump’s campaign was a massive con job and his policies would hurt the voters he promised to help the most.

This is particularly true in McDowell County, West Virginia, one of the poorest counties in the country that overwhelmingly supported Trump in last fall’s presidential election. Despite their support for Trump, those living in the deep red county will likely be hurt the most by what Republicans are trying to do, especially with health care.

During the town hall event with MSNBC’s Chris Hayes, Sanders laid out how Trumpcare will hurt those who need coverage the most, like coal miners in West Virginia, and mainly benefit the wealthy.

Not only did Sanders debunk the myth that Trump and Republicans constantly feed to their base of supporters that there isn’t enough room in the budget to help those who need it most, but he also convinced one coal miner – a man who voted for Trump – that it’s time to make health care in the United States a universal right.

Sanders asked the Trump voter, “What do you think, do you think we should join other countries and guarantee health care as a right of all?”

“Yeah, I think every American citizen should have health care,” the Trump voter responded to applause.

Republicans have successfully fooled working- and middle-class voters – especially those in white, rural areas – into thinking their policies will help them the most when in reality, voters in places like McDowell County, West Virginia stand to lose the most under the new president.

Democrats need to continue hammering the point, as Sanders did, that while Republicans talk a good game about being the party of blue-collar workers, it’s Democratic policies that will – and historically have – helped them the most.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/03/13/bernie-sanders-storms-deep-red-west-virginia-convinces-trump-voters-conned.html

[Rhiannon12866]

1. K&R!!! Winning them over with facts! Who would have thought??

[Doodley]

2. Bernie shows Democratic lawmakers how to be an opposition

[elleng]

50. Yes he does,

and I hope they will LEARN from him.

[democrank]

3. I was so moved by these personal stories

and am more convinced than ever that we must reach out to rural America. Most responded to Bernie in a very positive way.

[Locrian]

9. yes - it's really not that hard

He makes it look easy.

[karynnj]

17. He has had rural town halls all over Vermont since he was elected

To Congress. He has had lots of practice both talking and listening.

[seaglass]

18. He hasn't had any in VT since 2014. He just added some. n/t

[democrank]

35. He gave a well-received speech at the rally in Montpelier, Vermont in January, 2017

There were upwards of 15,000 people there.

[seaglass]

37. Town Halls vs Rallies. They are different things. n/t

[karynnj]

45. He has had some in Burlington - including a holiday lunch in December 2016

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He also did many rallies around the country with Sue Minter, TJ Donovan, and David Zuckerman in October 2016. He did have both a victory rally when he won 86% of the vote in Burlington and he had his announcement in May 2015. Of course, for that year and a half when he was running for President, he did not spend the normal amount of time in Vermont.

[seaglass]

46. Not sure what you're saying karynn, in any case it is not Oct 2017 yet. I am talking about

Town Halls which I thought was the subject of this conversation. Not rallies.

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/outta-town-vermonts-congressional-delegation-spends-recess-far-from-home/Content?oid=4184580

But Sanders himself hasn't held a live, in-person town hall in Vermont since 2014, according to state director Phil Fiermonte.

[karynnj]

47. Corrected to 2016

I think it comes down to town hall vs rally -- and I would not argue with Fiermonte on what that means.

[seaglass]

48. Right. A rally is usually a one way conversation while a Town Hall is two way. n/t

[lillypaddle]

4. I watched this

and it was excellent. This is what Dems need to be doing. Kudos, Bernie and Chris Hayes.

[OregonBlue]

32. I watched it too. Bernie actually listens to people. It was so great watching him really

listen and really care about these people's lives. Loved the lady who said how great it was that a Senator from Vermont would come all this way to hear their problems but McConnell never does.

[lillypaddle]

33. Yep, I liked that part, too! nt

[stuffmatters]

5. Poignant, compelling and absolutely instructive

[Locrian]

7. ABSOLUTELY - /nt

[Lucky Luciano]

12. Uh-oh - looks like "post removed" sinned and said something nice about Bernie! nt

[sharedvalues]

16. Bernie is doing great work. Do not troll him.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/sanders-staffers-confirm-that-russian-trolls-were-pushing-anti-hillary-memes-on-social-networks-and-comment-threads/

"Major Bernie Sanders backers suspect Russians flooded their social sites with anti-Hillary memes"

[Lucky Luciano]

21. I'm not trolling him. Someone got a post hidden for saying something good about Bernie.

[seaglass]

39. They said Bernie would have won. Lots of people have been saying good things about Bernie

and it doesn't lead to post removal.

[lillypaddle]

34. This kind of shit

just keeps the fights going. I voted for Hillary. I said something nice about Bernie, too - he deserved it. Please just stop.

[MaeScott]

8. I hope to see EVERY DEM out there beating the drums with this...

Loud, long, rinse,repeat.

[MBS]

11. Agree 100%.n/t

[mwooldri]

15. "but he's not a Democrat"... according to some here on DU.

Sorry but Bernie Sanders is showing the way it should be done. As far as I'm concerned he's the anti-Trump all the way, and a good model for actual Democrats to follow. Bernie is a Democrat in all but name. I didn't watch this event, but I remember other people quoting things like that it is odd that it takes someone from the Northeast to do stuff about coal country's healthcare... Stuff that Senator Turtle should be doing... but isn't.

This is how we fight Trump. We espouse facts. We expose Trump for the fraud that he is, as well as the other Republicans. We reconnect with rural voters. The coal jobs are not coming back, and efforts have to be made to replace those jobs. It will take years. But we can not sit on our backsides and do nothing, otherwise people will become radicalized by the extreme right and extreme left.... if not already. I don't know what the solution is. Go like Finland and pour education into the job lost area, hoping for a Nokia? Improve the social safety net so that people are lifted out of poverty that way (as the rich won't be philanthropic enough to do it themselves)? Punish bad megacorps by force relocating them to areas of deprivation?

It's about jobs and personal security. It's not about immigration. It's not about walls. I could get religious about it too... It's feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give homeless shelter, heal the sick... in short love thy neighbour... A Jewish refugee had this message 2000 years ago. He got physically crucified for this message. Didn't invalidate the message.

[Maru Kitteh]

22. No. He's "Not a Democrat" according to Bernie Sanders.

I wish he would join the party - I think it would send an amazing, unifying, important message right now, ahead of the 2018 mid-terms.

I would like to see him join the Democratic Party, because it would be best for the party, as opposed to doing what is best for Bernie Sanders.

[bekkilyn]

54. He's actually doing what's best for his constituents

The people in Vermont voted for him as an Independent, so it was only fair to them to go back to being an Independent Senator once he had no immediate reason to remain a Democrat. Think of it this way...would it be fair if you voted for a Democratic Senator and then in the middle of their term, they switched over to Republican? Bernie had to run as a Democrat for the presidential election since he didn't want to divide the Democratic vote, but once that reason was gone, he really needed to go back to being Independent for the people of Vermont.

Maybe once his term is up, he'll run as a Democrat depending on how things go within the Democratic party by then, so we'll just have to wait and see.

[truebluegreen]

66. You are right, and so is he.

He is not a Democrat. He's just a democrat.

[LanternWaste]

36. It's important you both revel in and advertise...

It's important you both revel in and advertise what "according to some here at DU" allegedly say.

I can certainly see the critical relevance it imports to any conversation, and it lends a much needed sense of oppression to the nascent movement.

It can be almost impossible to place him on a pedestal unless concurrently implying both fault and blame to a demographic.

Without the "According to some", we have nothing from which to construct an irrelevant, though highly creative straw-man, while yet maintaining the pretense we're simply attempting to fight Trump rather than ourselves.

Most creative, indeed.

[WinkyDink]

70. I welcome Bernie to join my Party. He could help the "down-ticket," as well. But he won't join.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

24. Yeah, I think the deal with these Trump voters is they just want someone to listen

to them, spend some time with them, and then really explain to them how their concerns can be addressed. I think they perceived Trump as more willing to listen to them and more willing to spend the time with them, but they were duped because Trump was just pretending to care about them. I think it shows that more grassroots campaigns in rural areas are needed for dems to get their message out. I think the dems can focus less on urban areas because they've pretty much got those areas locked up.

[bullwinkle428]

26. I was yelling at the TV last night, "Hey, Democrats - Bernie is

laying out the FUCKING BLUEPRINT!! Just FOLLOW IT!!"

[pablo_marmol]

10. I agree with the message, but the second clip was interestingly edited.

Did you notice the guy in the foreground who appeared to be launching an objection? Would have liked to heard it, whether it was BS or not.

[Donkees]

13. You mean Chris Hayes? Start this longer video clip at about 15:00 mark

[pablo_marmol]

14. Thank you.

It was impossible to tell who was trying to break in from the truncated version. I'll watch the entire video when I have time.

[SharonAnn]

30. "This video is private" is the message when clicking on this.

[Blue_Tires]

19. It's not like folks didn't try to tell them this shit before...

But if it takes someone like Sanders to finally make them open their ears, then fine...

[seaglass]

29. Now it's real. And affecting them. So they are finally waking up. These people are NOT

voters I would count on in the future, they appear easily fooled.

[Blue_Tires]

53. They aren't fooled; most of them just won't ever admit publicly

that they voted for Trump out of fear/hate/racism instead of some nebulous "economic concerns", because no fucking coal jobs are coming back to WV no matter what Trump says and they damn well knew that...

[bdamomma]

20. yes Bernie educate those who do

not know. God, don't these people realize they will be getting screwed.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

23. This is awesome

If Bernie and the dems could do more outreach to these Trump voters... really take the time with them to help them understand... I think it would make a huge difference.

[panader0]

25. Thank you Bernie!

Keep going to deep red counties and doing this.

[Hoyt]

27. Good to hear Sanders and he's right, but I think most of those folks would vote for Trump again.

[betsuni]

31. Yes, they will.

I used to buy fancy expensive face creams even though I knew the main ingredient was water and additives, but the ads of beautiful air-brushed women, the hope in that jar ... so seductive. I couldn't resist. Most of the time the jar sat on the bathroom shelf unused. I guess also like New Guinea cargo cults.

[gratuitous]

42. If it's a one-off, you're right

But if Democratic elected officials and former officeholders keep going back to West Virginia (and Kentucky and Kansas and Texas and Indiana and Michigan and Wisconsin and . . . you get the idea), talking up Democratic proposals and ideas, it's possible that some of them will mark their ballots differently in 2018 and 2020. Bill it as a town hall in the district of a Republican congressman who's too gutless to host a town hall right now.

Here's some of the pluses: It lets a Democrat interact directly with voters. In talking with the local media, it generates coverage and local excitement. For the lonely Democrats in the area, trying to persevere in the face of the unrelenting shitstorm from Republicans and Fox and hate radio, it can be a real tonic, generating even more local excitement.

These people voted for Republicans by a 3-1 margin and scraped together enough electoral wins to put Trump in the White House. Maybe if we reduce their advantage to 2-1 or 3-2, some of those states that went Republican in 2016 will go Democratic in 2020.

[Blue_true]

85. I agree. National Democrats visiting those places to tell the truth

to those voters help local, State and Congressional Democratic candidates because the locals have a platform to build on.

[fleur-de-lisa]

28. It was fantastic! Bernie knows how to reach them! eom

[Demsrule86]

44. And the GOP will jump in with abortion abortion gay gay blah blah

and they will vote GOP...they never change their votes and vote for their best interests...I hope you all are correct, but I truly doubt it.

[NurseJackie]

38. Better LATE than NEVER, I guess.

[sammythecat]

57. I just got on DU and I clicked on a few

of the trending and greatest threads that looked interesting and then there was this one at the bottom. I usually stay away from any threads having to do with Bernie Sanders because they always turn out the same way and I don't like to aggravate myself. I shouldn't have, but I clicked on this one too thinking to myself, "I wonder how long it'll take 'til someone shits on this". I Didn't read the story, didn't read the replies, just scrolled down looking for the familiar and just about came to the end, thinking "holy shit!, they actually let it go for once". Ah, but no, not this time. There you were. Almost at the bottom, but, ever reliable, you showed up. Better late than never, as they say. The snark was mild, but pure snark nonetheless.

Just can't help yourself, can you?

If you choose to respond, you can have the last word. I'm done.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

58. Lol. Me too.

I always think of this clip:

https://m.

[eyeofnewt]

40. Don't write them off

Regardless of who they voted for, these are men and women of coal country-tough and strong. They are men and women descended from the Battle of Blair Mountain heroes and strong labor organizers in Matewan. They know the history of fighting and dying for worker's rights and benefits. They lived the boom era of coal and unfortunately the downfall of that prosperous era. I know not everyone perceives them as unreachable (they voted for Trump!), but many do. Having know many of them, I believe that most will come around. Well, I at least hope so.

[Wounded Bear]

41. It was a great town hall, but...

I kept screaming over and over in my mind:

Hey, folks! This isn't just about Trump. This is about Republicans! Trump didn't dream up the Deplorable Care Act, House Republicans did. You've been voting for them for decades and what have they done for you? Trump actually said some "decent" things about health care on the campaign. It's the Republicans in the House that dreamed up this crap based on their love of rich folks and tax cuts. Trump will rubber stamp anything they present, but right now the only people really fighting for your healthcare are Democrats.

[dae]

55. You are correct.

[Caliman73]

43. One thing to notice from the second clip

It looks like Sanders did well in talking to and listening to this group of voters. What the man said in the second clip however, still gives me pause.

He said, "Yeah, I think every American CITIZEN should have health care". This is where the dividing line is still strong and where the Republicans and Trump are still effective.

The man distinguished between "citizen" and other. While I have no theoretical problem with that (citizens have rights as they should by citizenship), I think that he said that purposefully to maintain that "those other people" (meaning immigrants who are not citizens) should not have access to health care and implying that they are the reason why we all don't.

Perhaps I am reading too much into the statement, but I think that this is what Republicans have been pushing all along to derail any collective assistance for all Americans. The idea that someone "undeserving" is going to get what you deserve to get, so we can't give it to everyone right now, until we get all of the "undeserving" people out of here. Republicans have made the following groups of people into "undeserving" people: Women, Black people, Gay and Lesbian people, Transgender people, Latinos, immigrants (legal or not - they don't distinguish), and Muslims. The people in the town hall see themselves as hard working Americans who have been left behind, but they do not see the other groups, who work just as hard, as being left behind. They see those people as parasites who take from the country and give nothing in return. That makes them easy to rile up against proposals like universal health care.

[bettyellen]

49. Yeah- the xenophobia is there so it's difficult to say if they'd shy away from their "identity

politics" It's not so hard to get someone on your side of one issue like healthcare, but the minute you get super liberal on them they go back to hating us. sanders is in a tough position because His goal is so far off and he was not so supportive of the ACA.

[GulfCoast66]

74. I agree you are reading way more into this statement

If we as a party reject the idea that some benefits are reserved only for legal citizens or we will never win another election.

[Caliman73]

84. Can you clarify your statement?

One, you did not explain how I was reading "way more" into this statement. Two, you seem to be suggesting that healthcare should only be provided to citizens as well. What about legal residents? What about people here on temporary Visas who get sick? What about anyone who gets sick? Are you suggesting that we reject those people at the emergency room.

If I am travelling in Britain, Canada, France, Denmark, or other industrialized countries and I get sick, I get treated. I also do not get stuck with a catastrophic medical bill because they have universal or some form of collective coverage. What would your solution be to dealing with healthcare for people who are working, paying taxes, and adding to the economy even though they are not here with the proper documentation?

[Lunabell]

51. Bernie tells it like it is.

Our party should listen to what he has to say, too.

[RadiationTherapy]

52. The more I see of Bernie, the more I think that Trump did not win this election

as much as we fumbled it away and lost it.

[truebluegreen]

67. Bingo.

[trotsky]

83. Most of what was said about Hillary was insanely false.

But we ran our ultimate "establishment" candidate. Was she qualified for the job? Absolutely. But last year, the 'outsider" theme resonated with a lot of apolitical voters. Most of us know Trump was no "outsider" either but he fooled enough people to win.

[Kimchijeon]

56. K&R Bernie is great. Wish there were more like him.

[ailsagirl]

59. Bookmarked to read later

[kentuck]

60. #107

[JudyM]

61. Bernie surprises me sometimes with his savviness. Going right to the belly of the beast has the

potential to start an undercurrent of murmurings in their social circles -- favoring Dems. Hopefully feeding a contrarian uprising.

Talking with people instead of at them, listening to what they're saying. NPR has been doing some interesting journalism about 45's voters current thinking, too. They seem movable... let's hope, anyway.

[Donkees]

62. Bernie placed a focus on McDowell County several years ago, when he held a congressional hearing

about poverty affecting lifespan. Some of his staff traveled there, and a social worker from McDowell County was invited to take part in the hearing.

[JudyM]

63. The guy cares and he's in politics to make the country a more caring place. No question. A patriot.

And a mensch.

[WinkyDink]

71. Really? And the residents didn't learn then? Sucks to be them now, I guess.

[Curmudgeoness]

64. This is how it should be done

by all of the Democratic politicians and leaders. There is no other way to save this country. Many people just don't know all the facts, and Bernie is willing to educate them. Shouldn't all of our leaders?

[Lordquinton]

65. Bernie setting the bar high

And encouraging us all to reach for it.

[Posting Anonymously]

68. Wow, Go Bernie

Stuff like that can spread like wildfire. Game Over, Trump. Please leave town (permanently) on the first train out. And, take the rest of the "republican" filth with you on your way out (to Russia). Don't forget to turn the lights out!

[LiberalLovinLug]

69. BERNIE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT!!!

He is a Democrat on steroids!

When you have Blue Dog DINOs humping Trump and what Bernie is doing every day...I wish the letter D puritans in here would just lay off of him! But even more than that, they should be applauding him.

With Bernie voters it was not ever about Bernie even, despite some in here trying to paint it as some kind of cult of personality. . It is that he spoke truth to power, that he proved you could talk about single payer health care, about the inequalities between the 1% and the 99%, a $15 per hour min. wage, etc...You just have to have a little integrity and belief in what you are saying, because people can tell.

He is fearless. Card carrying Dem members in Washington have a lot to catch up with.

BTW where IS Hillary? I gave her a break after the awful defeat, but its time to jump in. Same with Obama.

[Lifelong Protester]

72. I was amazed at how excited

I was to see Bernie again.

[Barack_America]

73. What could have been.

[4bucksagallon]

75. What should have been.

[GallopingGhost]

76. "it's Democratic policies that will-

and historically have-helped them the most."

This is what has always amazed me about areas like WV. Staunchly, devotedly Republican- because they think what? That the party of tax cuts for the rich, big business, corporate billionaires- gives a damn about whether they have health care and can feed their families?

Yes, I have read books, articles, theories, explanations about why they vote Republican, but there is just no common sense to it. I understand about the economic depression, the mindset that goes back generations, ect, but again-common sense

The man who worried about Americans having health care and jobs was President Obama, Trumpsters. Not your golden toilet messiah.

Shooting oneself in the foot is alive and well, apparently.

[mr_lebowski]

78. Many, many years of brainwashing, by the rich, ...

Who have the money to determine, scientifically, the best way(s) to influence a certain type of human being into believing that they 'deserve their lot' and that the only 'rightful' way for them to achieve any degree of comfort and wealth ... is by toiling for/serving ... you guessed it ... THE RICH.

At a very primal level it's simply playing into our inherent tendencies to establish 'hierarchies' and 'alphas', with a huge component of 'tribalism'. Basically Conservatives 'think' using the reptilian part of their brains foremost. With them, it's about fear ... esp. fear of 'the unknown' and especially of 'the other', i.e. that which is 'not what I think of as mine or being of me'.

Every living being has an inherent feeling of mistrust of 'other' bubbling under the surface. But the Cons represent a huge wellspring of easily manipulated political support, due to their reptilian thinking patterns ... They can SO easily be brought to focus solely on "I, Me, Mine".

But this is the biggest difference between 'us' and 'them'. We do not inherently think in 'possessive' terms when it comes to 'life on the planet'. We think in terms of being part of the the tapestry of ALL LIFE. And I firmly believe this 'difference' ... has a strong biological component to it.

Understand the reason I mention reptiles ... it's because they are about the most 'advanced' animals ... that have no inherent 'social structure'. They don't co-operate. There's no 'community' with reptiles. Even Birds, Ants, Bees and heck even the ancient FISH (ffs) have evolved to exhibit 'social structures', even if they engage in 'community' for no other reason than 'survival instinct'.

Liberal types, OTOH, are the humans who've fully evolved past the reptilian stage of humanities ancient genes, to fully EMBRACE the notion of COMMUNITY. To understand we're a SPECIES, we're all FAMILY ... and to understand that what has happened here on this planet, for things to work out 'just right' over the course of 4.5 billion years ... is nothing short of incredible.

I'd say it's a 'miracle', but that's really not accurate. It's really just simple 'math' ...

With as many 'suns' in the Universe as their are grains of sand on all the beaches of the world, there's GOING TO BE ... life ... every so often.

And every so often, it'll reach a stage of true 'intelligence' ... it'll grow to the point of being able to build houses, cars, roads, bridges, solar panels, wind farms, antibiotics, rockets, nuclear power, etc ... but we Liberals understand that the ODDS of what's happening here ... is so mathematically staggeringly low ... And this informs us to understand that what we 'have here' is so incredibly PRECIOUS ... both our 'life' (plant, animal AND human), and our EARTH ... which is the only thing SUSTAINING ALL THIS LIFE. Yet, without a functioning ecosystem, producing oxygen ... which in turn depends on the health of the Earth itself ... this planet would just be another cold, dead rock, floating alone in the vacuum of space.

Most of us also grasp that, at this 'moment' it's really very likely that the nearest other planet with 'life' like ours ... is so FAR AWAY that you'd have to travel for as long as it's been since we had dinosaurs here at Light Speed ... to get to them. At which point they'd be 250,000,000 years EXTINCT.

These people, these REPTILES among us ... these who worship COMPETITION, and SHUN COOPERATION instinctively, as if they were just a bunch of writhing fucking SNAKES ... are going to be the DEATH of humanity, and of millions of species on this planet, and it's likely not going to be too long before it happens.

And they'll do so whilst all along believing their 'ideology' of 'I, Me, Mine' is just oh, so noble and 'correct'. To some extent because they're 'born with it', but also because they've been TAUGHT that it's 'right' by people who'd manipulate them and use them. And because ... they're not the brightest.

And that feedback loop, in a nutshell ... is what has likely caused the eventual death of ALL advanced life in the history of this universe, which in it's great expanse I believe has happened many millions of times ... the only way you get to the level we humans are at ... is by natural selection, by processes like what has happened here on earth. And I don't believe the 'selfish/greed' gene has likely ever been eradicated before it caused massive extinction in the end.

Yes, "competition" ... Cons, it was SO valuable in early 'development' of life ... essential, even (though many of you don't even believe there WAS 'early stages of life', lol) but in the long run, it also turns out to be ... self-limiting. And that's why I highly doubt any intelligent lifeform in this universe has ever met another intelligent lifeform from another planet, unless perhaps life happened >1X in a single solar-system.

The CONS of every planet in history, have caused the eventual death of every intelligent 'life-form' ... on that planet. Because we have to EVOLVE towards COOPERATION, towards COMMUNITY. IN fact, that is WHAT YOUR OWN FRIGGIN JESUS ... was trying to tell you. The great irony of this fact is that it was ... indeed ... a message from 'God' (basically the intelligent Liberals, 2000 years ago) and you've both 'claimed it as yours' whilst simultaneously pissing all over it, and calling yourself 'pious'.

SAD!

[Alice11111]

77. Does anyone know how I contact an Admin for an Appeal?

Unrelated, sorry!
I've tried for days, and I'm feeling frustrated, and inept.
I tried to file an appeal, which was inadvertently deleted. I have spent hours posting elsewhere trying to contact someone so I could appeal, only to have my post bounced back. I fear I am going to be restricted from posting, when the alert was not appropriate. (I couldn't post at all for many hours, possibly a day, either. It all may be a coincidence.)

My post had the word "Bernie" in the title and I said some good stuff about him (I was actually always a Hillary supporter, not that it should matter.) Anyway, someone
ALERTED me as rehashing the primaries. I was not. I think someone read my title and made that assumption based on the fact that I stated Bernie's name, without reading my post.

If an admistrator could contact me or someone could point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it, as I have tried every avenue I can find.

[pat_k]

79. Maybe send Skinner a DU Mail??

http://www.democraticunderground.com/~Skinner

[Alice11111]

89. Thank you. I will try it.

[Blue_true]

86. There is a hairtrigger desire to alert by some DU members.

Unfortunately the alerting appears to be biased, IMO. Some people have posted posts that clearly imply that Democrats ran the wrong candidate in the General, and those posts are allowed to stay up (how are such posts not refighting the primary?). The refighting the primary rule seems to be being abused by people that are out to really grind axes. I don't know what can be done short of the site owners stepping in to get things righted.

[Alice11111]

88. Thanks for your empathy. I learned how Bernie

people felt after I got popped for mentioning his name in the title, and pointing out his strengths. I didn't even discuss the primaries.
I've never alerted on anyone, yet.

[Chitown Kev]

80. I'm surprised that no one mentioned that

this county in West Virginia actually did vote for Obama in 2008 (and, according to Wikipedia, in the elections before that too). It was one of seven counties (out of 55 total counties) in West Virginia that voted for Obama in 2008.

They voted heavily for Romney in 2012, though.

No county in WV voted for Obama in 2012.

[Donkees]

81. Yes, democrats were in the majority there until the last two elections. Bernie is trying to bring

them back.

[trotsky]

82. Hell yes.

Go Bernie!

[Calculating]

87. I just avoid these threads now

After having like 3 posts removed for 'refighting the primaries'. I'll just say that Bernie is an amazingly charismatic man and a true leader. People might disagree with his politics sometimes, but they always seem to still respect him as a person.