what happens to alternative/holistic/natural medicine and therapies and supplements, etc?

[niyad]

we are going to be priced out of pay-for-play "health care". but, I cannot see big pharma and the other interested parties willingly watching us use alternatives, since some of us might actually live. are they going to raid the vitamin and herbs shops again? make it a requirement that one have a prescription for using herbs? require special permits to grow our own herbs and medicinals? raid our garden plots?

that would be quite a job-creating program, would it not?

[Nitram]

1. You are missing the point niyad. Tens of millions will be unable to afford health care

of any kind.

[womanofthehills]

2. I don't think niyad is missing the point - this is another point

Big pharma has gone after the vitamin/herb industry before. There can be more than one point.

[niyad]

3. thank you. many of us remember those raids, and the nutso proposals in congress.

[KT2000]

6. FDA did one

a couple weeks ago. With guns drawn they went into a naturopaths office and took things - don't know what. The naturopath was not even there. There were people from a few agencies wearing all the gear - bulletproof vests etc.
Have not heard of a follow-up.

[niyad]

7. dear goddess, had not heard that one.

[wordpix]

8. I don't know any states that cover alternative therapies/mmj/supplements

I pay out of pocket for these

[womanofthehills]

13. Actually our big teaching hospital in NM covers alternative therapies

Integrative Medicine Promotes Wellness

The Section of Integrative Medicine at the University of New Mexico Health Sciences Center offers alternative and complementary therapies in acupuncture, Ayurvedic medicine, botanical medicine, chiropractic, curanderismo, energy medicine, homeopathy, massage therapy, mind–body medicine, and Native American healing traditions.

The Section provides education to members of the UNM HSC, in medical student lectures, clinics with residents, and grand rounds in family practice and internal medicine. The Section is working to include integrative medicine in the School of Medicine curriculum and has a collection of textbooks, papers, and journals in integrative medicine.

The Section is actively engaged in several research projects, including medical student projects on student and faculty attitudes toward integrative medicine, complementary and alternative medicine therapies for arthritis, and issues concerning integrative medicine use in primary care clinics in New Mexico.

http://medicine.unm.edu/education/integrative/index.html

[Nitram]

4. No, it IS the point. This is not a time to quibble over preferred methods of health care.

You are worryied about access to only one aspect of health care when it is all under attack for those who cannot afford it. People are going to be dying. Not to mention that the post is pure speculation about Big Pharma's plans. Let's worry about helping those who can't aford health care first.

[niyad]

10. actually, many of us are capable of dealing with more than one issue, or aspects of issues,

at a time.

I find it fascinating that simply asking a question should generate such a response.

[Nitram]

19. I think quibbling over a theoretical attack on alternative health care is in pretty bad taste when

millions of lives are at stake. When I fight for the ACA, I fight for every approach to medicine.

[jberryhill]

5. With the gutting of regulation, the snake oil market will be good

Conservatives have been all about deregulation of health claims for all kinds of "supplements".

I expect we'll see a lot more of this guy:



Whatever potions, elixirs, and whatnot that goes into thoroughly unknown ingredients and contaminants in Dr. Fixall's Curing Tonic will be just fine.

[GoneOffShore]

9. Maybe the suppliers will go out of business? We can only hope.

Because none of those things are medicine.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/chemotherapy-is-for-losers-a-tragic-tale-of-cancer-naturopathic-quackery-and-murder/

[womanofthehills]

16. Your link sciencebasedmedicine.org is run by Gorski aka "Orac" with huge ties to big pharma

Gorski also blogs and pretends to be a woman named “SoCalGal”. He is known for speaking in the 3rd person - just like Trump.

[Lordquinton]

18. According to scobi's law

Your argument is invalid and we must now procede to laugh you out of the room.

[GoneOffShore]

22. And your point is?

The quack oil purveyors and crystal woo slingers that make up the NFM crowd make so much money off the gullible, that anyone working in science who calls them out is immediately a shill.

Mediocre try, but no.

It's not even worth a meme or smilie.

[HubbleSN]

23. This is a false claim.

Either prove your claim with legitimate evidence, or acknowledge that you are not being honest.

[Humanist_Activist]

11. Quackery preys on people who are at their most desperate, vicious, immoral people...

making money off of fraud. Hopefully the FDA and FTC have teeth enough to shut down these businesses and practices in the future, but I doubt it will happen under Trump. He's not exactly a fan of science, being an anti-vaxxer.

[safeinOhio]

12. I fast 2 days a week.

Down to one pill a day. My doctor saw my numbers from my last blood test and freaked out. Told him what I'm doing. Threw up his arms and said "keep doing it".

Watch this BBC documentary, google "eat fast and live".

[Oneironaut]

14. Since most of it's bull, I hope people don't see them as a desperate alternative.

Water doesn't have a memory, vitamins and water pills don't cure cancer, there is no such thing as healing crystals, prayer has no supernatural effect, magic isn't real, chi isn't real, homeopathy is complete bull, and you know the rest. This garbage really only serves to kill people and steal peoples' money.

That is, unless any of it can be proven by science. A belief simply isn't good enough.

[Achilleaze]

15. Science proved for centuries that the Sun orbited Earth. Then it didn't.

A study conducted by Boian S. Alexandrov et.al. at the Center for Nonlinear Studies at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, revealed that these terahertz waves could “…unzip double-stranded DNA, creating bubbles that could significantly interfere with processes such as gene expression and DNA replication.”

Of particular concern is the citing of studies that show there is an irreversible water memory effect by millimeter waves operating in the 36GHz ...

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/416066/how-terahertz-waves-tear-apart-dna/

and http://www.collective-evolution.com/2017/02/19/los-alamos-study-finds-airport-scanners-can-rip-apart-alter-dna/

[Oneironaut]

17. "How Terahertz Waves Can Kill You..." Nothing to do with homeopathy.

The article is talking about radiation, and how it can (with enough exposure) actually damage (or even unzip) your DNA.

Second article - "as reported by NaturalNews" - I stopped reading there. It's very quack-ish. Their site even has an "alternative fact- er - news" section.

I don't think it's fair to compare ideas formed in Ancient Rome to current science. The Geocentric model was born from ignorance. It's a false equivalency that can be used to justify any absurd belief.

[eShirl]

20. My herbal medicine already has restrictions similar to what you describe.

Sounds a lot like how medicinal marijuana is treated.

[CanSocDem]

21. There's always this:

Ignore this at your peril.


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