I'm sorry, but if you're in a UNION and you vote for a party that wants to destroy unions

[LaydeeBug]

you should be thrown out of that union.

Plain and simple.

[PearliePoo2]

1. I work with Union people that are guilty of this very thing.

I'd like to throw their asses to the curb and I'm NOT sorry.

[radical noodle]

2. It's much more common than most people think

I worked for union companies for years (in Indiana) and I would estimate at least half and maybe more of those working for us voted for Republicans routinely.

[madokie]

3. Its as simple as that

no if and or buts about it

[eniwetok]

4. Obama's record on unions wasn't that great....

Remember when he said he'd support card check? This was VITAL to growing unions.

[Caliman73]

7. But was he actively seeking to undermine and destroy them?

It may be a valid criticism of the Obama administration that he did not take a more forceful stance, but why would you choose to state something like that in a thread that was discussing people who vote for a party that is actively demonizing Unions, and has been anti-union for at least that last 40 years?

To me it sounds like a false equivalence.

[eniwetok]

9. Just bringing balance...

Sure the Right has been engaged in a long war against labor generally and really want to destroy organized labor. But the corporate Dems, starting with Clinton, have undermined organized labor through 1: not going for the jugular to expose the Right's war on labor.... and 2: through free trade.

As for the premise of this thread... It's not very well thought out. Unions aren't going to have a ideological test and risk losing more members. Let's be sure the Dems give workers something to vote FOR. I've argued in other threads that the Dems have gotten sidetracked from meat and potatoes economic issues.

[uponit7771]

10. Neither was FDR's, looking for perfect is a setup to complain

[MineralMan]

5. I'd guess that union members have about the

same proportion of Democrats and Republicans as the general population, frankly.

Not everyone who is a union member relies on the union for political advice. It's a job thing more than a political one for most people.

[Caliman73]

8. True. Except that Republicans undermine the very institution that bargains for them as a group.

It is like the people who voted for Trump and the Republicans to "fix" the healthcare system. Sure the ACA is not the greatest thing since the light bulb, but they voted for the party that is actively trying to destroy the coverage that was actually having some benefits over the healthcare system.

Unions typically will encourage a vote for the candidate and party that is more likely to support the rights of collective bargaining. You see it happen, they vote Republican, the Union loses power because of policies passed by Republicans, then they stand there with their thumbs up their butts saying, "What happened? The owner is now wanting to slash wages or clean house, or up and move"

[Blue_true]

18. But, republicans seek to destroy unions and collective bargaining.

That will impact Union members jobs.

[Gothmog]

6. I agree

[jmg257]

11. Huh - probably at least half our guys here would have to leave...good luck with that. nt

[sarcasmo]

12. Agreed. Always viewed Gay Republicans the same way.

[kcr]

13. I understand the feeling, but it would weaken unions.

Unions aren't like clubs where people join because they're of like mind. They're a collective; they need the numbers to balance the power of workers against corporations. Kicking people out would work against them.

[LaydeeBug]

14. they aren't of a like mind when they enable their destruction by voting for the party set on

destroying them. That is what weakens them...being infiltrated from within, like a cancer.

[kcr]

15. That would be my point. Unions aren't about being of a like mind.

Kicking out members would destroy them. Yes, union members who vote Republican aren't voting for their own interest or the interest of their union, and it is definitely in the best interests of unions for Republicans to lose. But the solution to that problem isn't to kick out members who vote Republican, because of the nature of their existence. They aren't a club; they work collectively.

[LaydeeBug]

21. Good grief...it missed you altogether.

[forthemiddle]

16. So those corporate workers or corporate bosses

Should be forced to vote Republican, or get "kicked out"?
It works both ways, you know.

[LaydeeBug]

17. false equivalence much?

because it does NOT work both ways. You're welcome

[raccoon]

19. ..thrown out of that union, and get shitty wages and benefits, and no pension. nt

[LaydeeBug]

20. It's what they vote for...they're like a cancer destroying unions from within

and I hate to say it, but teachers are the biggest offenders of this, I'm afraid.

[rainbow4321]

22. Yep...I'm working in California now

But I've also worked in TX. I'm in a profession covered by CA unions that help enforce state labor laws..especially for my profession. I had a co worker in CA tell me that she wants to leave CA and go to a Republican, conservative state---specifically, TX.

I tried to tell her that our profession has NO protection in TX..there will be NO union to monitor the workplace, no union paperwork to fill out if she doesn't get a lunch, no OT/time and a half pay after 8 hrs of work in a day, NOTHING she has now union related will be there for her in TX.

She still went on and on about getting away from "this sanctuary, liberal state".

The closest she came to showing concern is that because she would be selling her CA house and buying a TX house it wouldn't be easy to "come back here" if things don't work out. No shit...it's not like she lives in a CA apartment and getting a TX apartment and can just leave TX and re-locate back here to CA.

She just wouldn't/can't make the connection how she benefits professionally from being in progressive CA as opposed to the republican haven state that she wants to move to....